ENGINE SWAP

Hi I really want to swap my A4 1.8T engine for something more powerful... what would be my options that would fit and require no plasma cutting and no huge modifications?? Thanks for your help!

well, I would just add a BAT (big A$$ Turbo) or just BT (Big Turbo) for the cost of an engine swap in this car you could have a real nice Turbo set-up and make some good numbers.



but if you are set on a swap look into 034 motorsports and their VR6-T swaps. or if you want to get creative and cut a lot of metal(which you already said you don't want ot do) then shoe horn an Audi V8 in there.

modding your 1.8t would be a much better idea. and cheaper. if 600hp (easily attainable with a 1.8t) isn't enough for ya, then you can step it up to a vrt, and then you make over 1000hp if your heart desires

So you guys would recommend that I just get a big ass turbo? What else could I do to get this "600hp"?

this has all the info you will need to make your own decision.

http://www.audiforums.com/m_700266/tm.htm

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ORIGINAL: erthqke

So you guys would recommend that I just get a big ass turbo? What else could I do to get this "600hp"?

 
600hp can be had with a gt3076r and have a resonable amount of lag (20+ psi at ~4k).  An idea of what you are looking for would help us more.  If you are just looking for a decent 1/4 mile time, a smaller turbo will also do and make a great street car

I would Do BT also. That or just sell your car and buy a S4--

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ORIGINAL: erthqke

So you guys would recommend that I just get a big ass turbo? What else could I do to get this "600hp"?

http://www.audiforums.com/m_816714/tm.htm

hit up Mike@DTH. he has a full race package that can include a 3076r for a really good price. that setup is gona give you the most power your gona get and still be streetable. if you wana bore out your engine to 2.0, that will also help cut down on lag and give even better numbers. expect to spend a good amount of money tho. if you want more of a budget build that has less lag but still good enough to run 12's, go with an elim setup.

the 034 does not sell vr6t swap... the only sell couple of parts out of the whole swap. and yet you need a good welding machine and would be a good idea to have the plazma cutter too... and allot of cutting wheels for your grinder..

Ok so i would like to modify the 1.8T, I can spend overall around 3k on the engine. I was thinking a chip and intake and exhaust... these are just my ideas so far. I am a bass doctor, meaning that I only specialize in electronics and bass, so this is not my area; however i would like to make around 400 to 500+ hp. I need all the ideas I can get to make easy hp without doing huge mods or engine swaps. I am not doing quarter mile races or dragging. I simply want ~ 500hp and a street recognizable vehicle. I still need all of the help I can get, so please post as many ideas as you can! Thanks guys I appreciate it.

How many of these people wanting 500+ hp cars have ever driven a 300 hp car?  I have a feeling 9/10 of these people have no idea what that power is worth.  These threads are making me naucious.  I think I'll stop reading any thread with the words "swap" or "horsepower" in the title.

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ORIGINAL: feerocknok

How many of these people wanting 500+ hp cars have ever driven a 300 hp car?  I have a feeling 9/10 of these people have no idea what that power is worth.  These threads are making me naucious.  I think I'll stop reading any thread with the words "swap" or "horsepower" in the title.

Wow. The guy simply asked a question, regarding motor swaps, what is so wrong about that?

I have driven some pretty powerful cars in my time, and lived a very long time. But, I wouldn't assume someone, let's say a 19-year-old lad asking for advice, has NOT driven cars more powerful than the ones I have, despite the fact I'm over twice his age. He's young enough to be my son, but it doesn't mean he has no right to want horsepower at his disposal, and I do.

Just a little consideration goes a long way. If one doesn't feel they can help out, or advise, then sometimes, it's best just to ignore a thread, no shaking.

not exactly! a bt kit will run u like 2k easily if not more, you have to do a couple upgrades to that 1.8t, if you canget your hands on a vr6 then thats the best way to go if you want to produce real numbers! then bt that and then you will have a fast a$$ car with a sick engine, that you can brag about just by the sick sound it makes, go to youtube and put vr6 a4. you'll like it.

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ORIGINAL: erthqke

Ok so i would like to modify the 1.8T, I can spend overall around 3k on the engine. I was thinking a chip and intake and exhaust... these are just my ideas so far. I am a bass doctor, meaning that I only specialize in electronics and bass, so this is not my area; however i would like to make around 400 to 500+ hp. I need all the ideas I can get to make easy hp without doing huge mods or engine swaps. I am not doing quarter mile races or dragging. I simply want ~ 500hp and a street recognizable vehicle. I still need all of the help I can get, so please post as many ideas as you can! Thanks guys I appreciate it.

3k will not get you 500hp. a full 3076r setup is gona run you at least 5-6k, and thats doing all the work yourself and not worrying about emissions.

sounds to me like a 71r elim is gona be your best bet. you'll be at ~400chp, but it'll be half the price of the 3076r setup and street legal (if u want it to be). Mike@DTH also sells elim setups, probly the cheapest you'll find.

that sounds like a good idea so what is a 71r elim setup? and who is Mike@DTH / where can i contact him

the 71r elim is a Garrett 2871r ball-bearing turbo that can generate a lot of power in b5 a4 applications. Its a pretty big turbo, a lot bigger than the stock k03. Normally when you start getting into bigger turbos you'll need to add a compatible exhaust manifold and turbo back system to make it fit, as the higher flow of gasses necessitates larger ports on the turbo and manifold so flow isn't restricted.

The thing with the 71r elim is that it's the same turbo with stock-sized flanges, so that you can still make a lot of power while using the stock or stock-ish exhaust setup. It will save you a lot of money that you would normally have to spend on a custom manifold and exhaust setup. The only thing is that this results in less power output than the normal 2871r.

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ORIGINAL: erthqke

that sounds like a good idea so what is a 71r elim setup? and who is Mike@DTH / where can i contact him

its the 71mm compressor wheel and housing from the 2871r, but with a smaller turbine and stock k03 flange. so it bolts right up to stock cat and manifold. your gona want to get a better manifold if you want 400hp tho, which Mike can also get you. if you want the full list of parts you'll need for a 71r elim setup check out the link i posted above.

and Mike- http://www.audiforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=51447 pm him. here's his site- http://shop.dthaus.com/main.sc

ok thanks... so i see mikes site where is the link for the things i need to go along with the 71r?

contact him using the first link. just go down to pm and send him one. just tell him you want the 71r elim, and he'll get you set up with everything

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ORIGINAL: feerocknok

How many of these people wanting 500+ hp cars have ever driven a 300 hp car?  I have a feeling 9/10 of these people have no idea what that power is worth.  These threads are making me naucious.  I think I'll stop reading any thread with the words "swap" or "horsepower" in the title.

Well I'm 19 almost 20 and have driven quite a few high hp cars. A few of my favorites: 580rwhp 300zx tt, porsche GT3, 450rwhp rx-7 fd, 300awhp bug eye wrx, 400fwhp civic hatch, and a bunch more. I have been tossing around the idea of either buying an S4 and throwing some K04s on there, doing a BT on the 1.8t or a VR6T build/swap. Some people think their invincible with their awd system and a ton of hp, its not like that at all with over 400awhp even 300awhp.

BTW nice list of info on the A4.

if you had the money, i would definitely go with a vr6 swap. no replacement for displacement, and a 3.2l engine spools a turbo real nice. and you'd spend less than getting an s4. 034 already has most the pieces you need, all you need is a few fabricating skills.

Reading this thread makes me sad that my uncle just sold his B3 Passat VR6 for $400 (motor ran like a champ) and he didn't tell me! I would have bought it just for the engine!

"quattro_1.8t" is that supposed to be a diss or a compliment cuz either way i dont care about people speaking like idiots in here.... i had a question and it got answered by someone who isnt a huge dick so thanks

erthqke, you need to put a sock in the attitude in a hurry - you're very new here and acting like that is not a way to garner any friends and can make it very tough to get answers for your questions later on - it's not too tough to blacklist yourself through your own actions and posts, as other former members have found out.  Not e-thugging here, but believe me, I'm telling you the way it is.  Talk to Bob1239u7357834090834 if you doubt it.  He's probably on the 'zine now.

Don't assume he was being a dick.  He wasn't, and if you took a few minutes to think about what he's saying, you'd probably realize the truth of it.  Many people who haven't been exposed to that kind of power (or even lower levels of power) have no idea what it's like to handle.  Hell, even driving it daily, you can find that levels of power like that are so ridiculous, that it can take away the fun of the car and make you slower at the same time (not to mention the amount of time you spend repairing and replacing a constant stream of parts that break because they weren't intended for that kind of power).  A 300whp AWD car is a street rocket - it's got the power to pull very hard (hard enough to beat most of the cars you're likely to encounter), but enough capability for traction that it's not a hopeless wheelspinning nightmare.  My old 300ZXTT tended that way - about 440whp, RWD, and yeah, a lot of fun.  However, with 4.08 gearing, extremely responsive stock turbos, and that level of power, the car would break loose in 3rd gear at any speed below 60mph.  Even a brisk takeoff from the line would break the rear loose.  It's cool initially, but if you're just trying to drive the f*cking thing without causing a scene, it gets tiring in a hurry.  Go around a turn in a powerful RWD car, hit a bump that causes your ankle to flex and tap into another 50whp - it'll wake you right up.  That kind of thing can happen with high powered AWD cars too.  And most of the time, your tires can't harness that kind of sudden torque (the type when turbos hit fast and hard) and you'll waste that extra power in wheelspin.

Add to that the fact that it doesn't require a huge power number to be fast - it takes ability behind the wheel.  Believe me, I've been driving quite awhile and have done various forms of racing, organized and not, and I can control a car pretty well.  There are people out there (and probably more than you'd realize) who could embarrass me with a car making 100whp less.  You don't need huge numbers, you need a good chunk of power and the ability to control it.  That's the point he's trying to make.

And calling a spade a spade, the final point I think he's trying to make is that so many people come on here (or any other board) and immediately start talking about how they want to swap engines, or build a 500whp car, or they're going to twin-turbo their 4.2L engine and their uncle has a four-turbo Corvette that does 300mph, yada yada yada, and rarely if ever do those "plans" ever come through.  Maybe you'd be the exception to the rule and actually motor-swap your car - I don't know.  If you did, it'd be refreshing.  Most people who talk about it don't end up doing it, and it gets tiring to hear about it after you've been around awhile.

Cool it and find out why people post what they do - few people on here intentionally set out to be a prick so there's usually a valid reason they tell you something.

ok dad i wasnt talking to clx u idiot that is why i quoted "quattro_1.8t" try and read.... i had a general question and i dont need losers commenting on ignorant ****. i appreciate everyone that helps... and people that have nothing to say have the power to not post anything... this is a question forum u fool not a family reunion so chill out