GT2X Eliminator

Is this turbo kit even worth getting and what will it give you for numbers with a chip, High flow cat, Manifold, and injectors compared to a K04 with the same setup.  Also would a stock tiptronic be able to handle the power with the GT2X setup? 

no the turbo is not worth it. not because of the power levels you can acheive with it. which is about 30-50whp more than a k04. but because the turbo has seen many failures before. almost all people that i have known with the GT2X has had it crap out on them before 10,000 miles. one problem is that the turbo is only oil cooled. just skip this turbo as an idea.. and search!!!

what about the GTRS kit will the tranny hold this with the same setup and what numbers should I see with a unitronics or Revo chip?

so the gt2x sucks? i thought i had all my questions answered on the thread i made about turbos and stuff, people compared the gtrs, the gt2x, and the real garrent. if the gt2x really suck then i might as well just find something else. :( i thought i had it all planed out xD.

Depends on what you want, i have been runnig the gtrs now for like 2 years.  Revo doesn't make software for the b5 afaik, unitronics does, and i believe ctapp only does tuning for ndbw so looks like unitronics is your only option, i could be wrong though on ctapp, but when he first started it was only for n-dbw cars.  The gt28rs will yeild a bit more power and yes the tranny is fine, good for mikes 10.63 @135 so im sure its good for your possable 300whp

I would definately get a k04 over the gt2x, but if you want more power then the k04 i would get the gtrs elim.  First i dont even think anyone has a specific tune for the gt2x, the k04 has a few different files, and the gtrs has been so popular that there are quite a few tuning options out there.

Whats the website for Unitronics I can't find it?

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ORIGINAL: trailboss

 good for mikes 10.63 @135 so im sure its good for your possable 300whp

 
he got that w/ the gt28rs?

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ORIGINAL: trailboss

good for mikes 10.63 @135 so im sure its good for your possable 300whp

he got that w/ the gt28rs?

 
lots of confusing posts in here. let me try to fix them
 
no, he was not corilating the gt28rs with mike hoods 10.63 @135 1/4 mile run(which was on a 2.0 and gt35r). he was saying that the stock 5speed tranny was good enough to hold up to that run and his 600Awhp.
 
which brings me to the second thing. the original poster is a TIP, which is why he is worried about his trans at BT power.
 
but masterV, with a GTRS turbo you shouldn't have too many problems with your TIP tranny. here's a couple links to some TIP BT A4s with no problems..
 
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166595&highlight=auto
 
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149956&highlight=dyno 

wheres Cincy when you need him. All i see is him rave about how the GT2X is the only Elim worth getting.

Im right here.  If you can suffer gt3076r lag on a turbo that should hit 20+psi at 3200, thats your choice.  I wouldnt get one.  A gt2x atleast makes stock like spool and does what other elims cant do, MAKE TQ!!  If you want a little more punch, get a gt2x, if you want power, get a full garrett turbo.
 
Also, being just oil cooled has nothing to do with them dying.  All T series turbos and smaller gt turbos (which a gt20 is) are only oil cooled.  You can only blame the owner for not letting to turbo cool after use if damage was due to that.  Plus there are many people running gt turbos and only running oil lines to them, so its not a big deal. 

You have any graphs of a gt3076r making 20+ psi at 3200.  Stock engine, built head, race gas what a/r?
 
And if you think that 20psi at 3200 is bad, well umm.... welcome to the 1.8t.
 
And as far as the gt2x, there really is no specific file for the a4 afaik so they would more than likely have to get a custom tune or use something similar and log the piss out of it and fine tune the file.

I like how your trying to question everything i post in every thread now.  Hope you dont cry when you get put in your place over and over again
 
That comment was for the gtrs turbo.  People told him to get a gtrs and with their gt3076r like spool (while a gt28rs .64 will make 20+ psi by 3200rpms) and not to mention make low ass tq numbers to where its laughable.
 
<= look at my name, look at my join date, look at my post count.  If you still dont know who i am, you might want to ask around.
 
A gt28r file with 440cc injectors would work good with a gt2x.
 
Now get off my nuts

Alright, i see your clairfication now and it make sesne.
 
I dont care what your name is, post count or join date, so if someone questions you or may not see sometihng the same way they are automatically wrong.  **** i have been here since 04, i barely post cause its the same questions over and over.  What bov/dv, what chip, what turbo, **** in the past 4 days there have been like 3-4 differnt threads on.....
 
cv boot
gt2x/k04/gt28rs
tranny strength
and probablly what chip 
 
And there is more than just saying a gt28r file with 440cc injectors would work good, lots of logging and fine tuning and from the type of questions and lack of searching people are asking i dont even know if most of the people know what a vag-com is.

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and from the type of questions and lack of searching people are asking i dont even know if most of the people know what a vag-com is.

 
You would hope.... but sadly.....

You post good info, there is no question about that and generally you at least have a reference's to back it up.  Im not trying to question everything you post but just trying to see raw facts

the only problem with Cincy's info, is he needs to leave it over in the TT/GTI forums. this is the A4 boards. not completely different, but different. we're talking torsen, haledex.. Quattro/FWD.. longitudinal, transverse.. dbc/dbw, just dbw.. etc.. etc...

go to any A4 board(audiworld/audizine/audigeeks/etc..) and ask A4 owners and GT2X users what their opinion's are on the GT2X is. you'll get the exact opposite of what you are saying in this thread..

cincy, do we need to get into another day long battle about this. you know who came out on top last time. and i'd do it again if i had the time. but im actually working on my BT car right now..

and all this torque crap, even if you had a point to it. torque is not everything. torque doesn't win races, hp is what wins races

just as one example, you ever wonder how a turbo'd honda with 500ft/lbs of torque runs 8's?? probably because it has 1000whp.. it then uses a part of that torque to maintain the 10mph he drives down the back of the track to get his timeslip

What it will do on a 1.8t is what it will do on a 1.8t.  The only differnce is the tunes available and the head on the AEB cars.  So power, spool, what not all still remains the same, the only differnce is the power loss.
 
Wow, neat, your working on your BT car, good for you.  Must be nice having a 100% stock engine. 
 
As for TQ vs HP, we are talking about people wanting a DD car, not a 10 sec car.  Going from stop light to stop light with no power below 4k is going to suck, plus since there isnt a huge power getting ready to throw you into the seat.  Arifs gt71r dyno makes me sick to my stomach since he makes 290awhp and 255tq and nothing below 4k.  A real gt2871r with awd would get you above 300whp with just over 20psi and make as much TQ as it does HP.  Not to mention you would have the 20+psi by 3500rpms. 
 
Lets recap
 
1.8t = 1.8t.  I work on both Transverse and Longitude cars
All elims suck, spend the extra $1-1.5k to get performance
tq is needed for DD

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Arifs gt71r dyno makes me sick to my stomach since he makes 290awhp and 255tq and nothing below 4k.  A real gt2871r with awd would get you above 300whp with just over 20psi and make as much TQ as it does HP.  Not to mention you would have the 20+psi by 3500rpms. 


 
Cincy are you saying that gt2871r would have less turbo lag compare with elim series?
How about gt35r and gt3071r?

i atp hardware kit with a .64 gt2871r will hit 20+psi faster and make more power yes.  The gt3071r most people hit 20+psi just over 4k on a .63 and on a .63 gt35r your looking at 4600-4700.
 
Of course this all depends on the turbo manifold, ic piping, tuning, housing/trim used, c/r, displacement, gear, temp, and boost control.

Ok, i still don't have an A4 yet but after extensive reading i belive the GT28rs would be a great BT to go with. It seems like it would fare well to use as a DD and also use at the track. It's exciting learning all this stuff. Thanks for all the info cincy!!

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Lets recap

1.8t = 1.8t.  I work on both Transverse and Longitude cars
All elims suck, spend the extra $1-1.5k to get performance
tq is needed for DD

 
You know, as i watch both you guys battle back and forth, each of you have valid points and flaws in each of your arguements, and both being too stubborn to learn from each others side.
Im not nearly as experienced as both cincy or sean on the subject of tuning but i do see valid points on both sides. Can't we all just get along LOL.
 
 
Cincy's opinion on eliminator turbos for instance, (mine isn't far behind his) is negative as well as mine, the power just isn't there like it is on a full size turbo. As for the GT2X, sean seems to have a little bit more knowledge on the subject of them failing which is another reason i don't like them.
The hard fact is this, the stock manifold is specifically designed to do one thing, support a k03 turbo (without stressing the manifold) and provide as much flow as the k03 would need. So why bolt something on to the stock manifold that won't yield the kind of gains the engine should see? I don't see a reason, save your money and buy a good set up. Cincy or sean, feel free to un-load your wrath on me if you wish, i can take it.

I did a search on the all powerfull zine for gt2x.  Ran into a handful of people running it (and liking it) and one idiot saying a bunch of stupid crap, mainly its a stripped down gt25 (its a gt20, not gt25), since its oil cooled only, the turbo life sucks (tell that to the people running t3's and t3t4's and have 10's of thousands of miles on them) and you make the same power as a ko4, last time i checked, a ko4 cant hold above 1bar at redline (hell, 5.5k) like a gt2x can.
 
So, if you want low end tq and a longer powerband than a ko4, get a gt2x.  But if you want a real turbo and make actual power, you need a real t3/t25 manifold and turbo.  It comes down to if the lag and lack of power and tq is worth the $500-1000 savings for a gtrs or gt71r

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ORIGINAL: auditech79

Cincy's opinion on eliminator turbos for instance, (mine isn't far behind his) is negative as well as mine, the power just isn't there like it is on a full size turbo. As for the GT2X, sean seems to have a little bit more knowledge on the subject of them failing which is another reason i don't like them.
The hard fact is this, the stock manifold is specifically designed to do one thing, support a k03 turbo (without stressing the manifold) and provide as much flow as the k03 would need. So why bolt something on to the stock manifold that won't yield the kind of gains the engine should see? I don't see a reason, save your money and buy a good set up. Cincy or sean, feel free to un-load your wrath on me if you wish, i can take it.

 
No wrath, but i would like to add where you leave off.  Your going to need a better flowing manifold with the turbos anyway, that negates most of the savings for the setup.  Also the turbo inlet is to small and the housings are not nearly as efficent as a t25 and far from a t3 housing.  And finally, its a ATP product, quality is always in question along with their fitment/reliabilty.

^^^^^Thats a good response