I finally have the funds!!!

Alright I have finally saved enough to add some major power.  I just ordered the upgraded brake system and now I have $3500 to spend and I will extend that to $4000 if necessary to get the power boost I'm looking for.  I have the APR stage 1+ with the 225HP injectors and its not enough damnit!  I need everybodies opinion:  What turbo? What tuning shop that is close to indiana? and what would you do with $4000 and a 2002 1.8t audi A4 quattro.  The garret GT35 seems appealing considering how it is good for 340hp.  What turbo should I buy that i can slap in and drive everyday and break the 330hp mark? What other components should i buy and who can install it for me?  What it breaks down to is what would you buy with $4000 to make a 1.8t outperform the competition in lafayette, IN?  Please let me know because I am anxious to start the major mods. p.s. what is a good front mount intercooler I can buy and what is a good exhaust i can buy that will give me a good HP gain without sounding like a pissed off bumble bee?

I think that if you had done your homework (search) you should know what are the best options for you. Dont get me wrong, i think that if you search properly on this forum, you can find what other ppl have done to thier cars and what are the results.

i would sell the 1.8t and get a b5 s4 lol. but that's just me. for you, do a bit of searching and pm cincytt. he's the man

Are u in Indiana? How close to Chicago???

stick with the B6.

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ORIGINAL: markmile

The garret GT35 seems appealing considering how it is good for 340hp. 

its good for a whole hell of a lot more than that... If i had that turbo and only made 340, i would kill myself.
Also, 4grand is not going to even buy the required components to run a gt35... let alone if you are paying for the labor, forget about it. I'm not trying to discourage you, but its just not possible. maybe an elim kit is better for you... when you say "330hp", does that mean you want 330crank or awhp?

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ORIGINAL: FasterA4ThanUrs

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ORIGINAL: markmile

The garret GT35 seems appealing considering how it is good for 340hp. 

its good for a whole hell of a lot more than that... If i had that turbo and only made 340, i would kill myself.
Also, 4grand is not going to even buy the required components to run a gt35... let alone if you are paying for the labor, forget about it. I'm not trying to discourage you, but its just not possible. maybe an elim kit is better for you... when you say "330hp", does that mean you want 330crank or awhp?

 
LOL, me too.  Nothing like adding a turbo that can make over 700bhp for 340hp...LOL.  Thats like maybe 12psi on a turbo that people push to over 40psi with.  Not to mention you wont see it until 4600-4800rpms. 
 
Dude, seriously, read the newbie guide that others have pointed you to

Yeah actually I'm set on the garret GTRS eliminator kit. I have the 225Hp tt injectors but they have an $800 fuel injector/software package.  Anybody know how many cc's the injectors are? I also noticed they have a gt2871r upgrade option.  You guys have any clue as to how much more powerful this option is and how much slower it will spool than the GTRS? When I order my exhaust it should bolt right up to the eliminator series turbo,....right?  Lastly, the GTRS(shown here-->) http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-151&Category_Code=VVWTK
is said to produce "up to 350Hp"  Are better numbers easier to obtain and how would the gt2871r fare against the gtrs? Also would an after market intercooler be necessary or would the stock SMIC be sufficient?

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ORIGINAL: markmile

Yeah actually I'm set on the garret GTRS eliminator kit. I have the 225Hp tt injectors but they have an $800 fuel injector/software package.  Anybody know how many cc's the injectors are? I also noticed they have a gt2871r upgrade option.  You guys have any clue as to how much more powerful this option is and how much slower it will spool than the GTRS? When I order my exhaust it should bolt right up to the eliminator series turbo,....right?  Lastly, the GTRS(shown here-->) http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-151&Category_Code=VVWTK
is said to produce "up to 350Hp"  Are better numbers easier to obtain and how would the gt2871r fare against the gtrs? Also would an after market intercooler be necessary or would the stock SMIC be sufficient?

225tt injectors are 380cc. you dont want the mika tuning ATP offers. anything over a k04 will need a fmic or upgraded smic. a gtrs will only produce ~300hp, maybe a little more with race gas and a high boost setting...maybe. you should be looking at a gt28rs or t3t4 50 trim for your plans. a gt2871r can produce a lot more power but it will require forged rods if you plan on boosting higher than ~20psi. did you read my newbie guide? it lays everything out for you

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K04- easiest and most reliable replacement turbo. It is a direct bolt on replacement. You don't need to replace anything but it is strongly recommended that you get new programming. The most popular is GIAC and with it you will also need a 5 bar FPR. GIAC also offers 3 aggressive files PC-16 for Pre '00, J31 for '00, and Hammer for '01. They are each different but all require an adjustable FPR, bigger injectors, fmic, and you will most likely need a new clutch soon after. If you have a B6 or B7 A4 the k04 is a pointless upgrade. You will only gain a 5-10 hp because of the k03s. It has a 1mm bigger wheel shaft, and more aggressively angled fins on the compressor wheel so it can hold more boost more efficiently. A big injector file for the k03 will put out almost the same numbers as a k04 setup. k04 will max out around 250hp

Elims- The cheapest and easiest BT setups, but produce the least power. They eliminate the need for a new exhaust manifold and testpipe like full turbo setups require. The gt2x is only oil-cooled and has a not so good reputation, but it is the cheapest. The gtrs is a good choice. Lots more power than a k03/k04 yet has very little lag. Another choice is the 71r Elim. It has the same housing as the gtrs but a larger comressor wheel. Because of this it has slightly more lag but produces a little more power in mid-range but will get choked out in the higher rpms due to the small exhaust housing. If i were gona get an elim I would get the gtrs. With each of the elims you will need bigger injectors, software, fmic or water/meth, and a clutch would be a good idea too. It's also recommended you get a braided oil return line cause the stock one is a pain to get it. GTRS will max out around 300hp. 2871r elim will max out between 350-400hp.

GT28RS- You will need to get a new exhaust manifold due to the different flange, the stock one would most likely crack and rob it horsepower anyways. You also need a new testpipe/cat or you could just get a new flange welded on. You will also need a 3" VR6 MAF, custom intake, 3" turbo inlet pipe, 2.75"-3" exhaust, FMIC, bigger injectors (660 or 440 usually depending on the software), walboro 225lph fuel pump, stage 3 or higher clutch, adjustable fpr, and oil and coolant lines. And new mounts (all of them engine, tranny, differential, snub),a bigger oil cooler, new suspension, and bigger brakes are good ideas as well but not required. Cost will vary depending on what you have done to your car already. For a stock A4 expect a shop to charge you 7 grand, if you can do it yourself it'll cost around 4 grand for everything. It will max out around 350hp.

T3S60- This turbo is very simular to the gt28rs but unlike the rs, it is a journal bearing turbo.  It spools a little slower than the 28rs while making simular numbers.  The cost of this turbo is also about 1/2 of the 28rs

GT2871R- Pretty much the same as the GT28RS only bigger. .64 A/R is the faster spooling one. It should be fully spooled ~3600RPM. The .86 A/R has a bit more lag, full boost right around 4KRPM, but it produces more top end power. With the .86 A/R you will need the same mods as the gt28rs, but with the .64 A/R you will need that plus new forged connecting rods if your planning on running it past 20psi. Most AEB guys go with Scat rods, and all others use Integrated Engineering rods w/ 19mm wrist pins (unless you swap in 20mm pistons). Some people dispute whether or not you need new rods with the .86 A/R but there are some guys using stock rods and haven't run into a problem...yet. And you'll also want a stage 4 clutch. 2871r will max out around 500hp

GT3071R- Bigger turbine than the 2871r. The .63 A/R spools ~4KRPM and produces more power than the 2871r .86 A/R. There is also a .82 A/R on the 3071r which hit full boost around 4500RPM. You'll want a stage 4 or 5 clutch and new rods for both these turbos. It will max out around 600hp.

GT3076R-  Uses the gt30 turbine wheel and a 76mm compressor wheel and spools the same as a 3071 maybe 100rpms later.  Also where the 3071r tops out at just over 400whp, this turbo is efficent enough to reach 500whp with a proper tune and upgrades.  On pump and low boost (22-24psi), expect to see just ~400whp and mid 300tq depending on mods. Popular with guys who bore their engine out to 2.0L to put down sick numbers.

GT3082R/GT3040r- A combination of the gt30 turbine wheel and the same 82mm compressor wheel found on the gt35r and gt40r.  It is a decent turbo that is capable of high 500whp and will spool between the 3076 and gt35r.

GT3582R- The big daddy turbo. Good for 700hp+ and 10 sec 1/4 miles. Spool is expected about 47-4800 on a .63. This turbo is known to surge on stock displacement so a anti surge housing is a good idea along with a AEB head and/or stroker engine.

T3/T4- Turbo's that use a t3 turbine and a t4 compressor. These come in so many sizes and variations its ridiculous. They can produce anywhere from 300 to 700+ hp depending on the turbo and your setup. The only one that really should be used is the 50trim.  It is the most effient of the 50,57 and 60 trim turbos.  Unlike the gt turbos, these use old technology with journal bearings.  This gives the turbo slower spool but is more gradual.  This also makes it easier on the rods to where higher hp numbers can be achieved on a stock engine.  The only other drawback is that the turbo doesnt respool as fast as a dbb turbo.  But on the brighter side, these turbos can be had for a mear $575-625 depending on where you shop.  Also the lag can be decreased by using a .48 housing or a .63 housing for more top end.  A 50trim will spool just past 4k and is capable of making 350whp on pump and over 400whp on race gas and proper mods.

and boost comparisons of the turbo's

Yes I have thourally inspected the newbie guide.........again and again.  Ive done many hours of reasearch and the gt2871r elim. seems to be the most efficient and versatile turbo for the money, yet I think I will be looking for more once installed.  Any suggestions for kits or the necessary components for the T3/t4 50trim, and/or the Gt2871r Elim?  Since you don't recommend the ATP tuning who should I have flash my ECU?  I already have the APR stage1+ chip, will this save me some money or will whoever I go with have to use their chip? I'm looking at $1600 for the Gt2871r Elim. kit, which also requires the high flow injectors for $250, and tuning for another $500 since none of the other companies I've called will use the APR chip that is already installed.  If you have anly links for me to go to and buy the t3, or the 2871r in a kit, or at least a reasonable price?  Also I like the more conservative exhaust you mentioned in the newbie guide.  Who would you recommend I purchase my exhaust from since you are runing the techtonics system I'm interested in?  To sum it up, I want my car to smoke srt-4's, s2000's, most mildly modified tuners and modified v-8s, yet it is still a lightly driven daily driver.  You seem to know your ****, so tell me what to buy and ill get it.

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ORIGINAL: markmile

Yes I have thourally inspected the newbie guide.........again and again.  Ive done many hours of reasearch and the gt2871r elim. seems to be the most efficient and versatile turbo for the money, yet I think I will be looking for more once installed.  Any suggestions for kits or the necessary components for the T3/t4 50trim, and/or the Gt2871r Elim?  Since you don't recommend the ATP tuning who should I have flash my ECU?  I already have the APR stage1+ chip, will this save me some money or will whoever I go with have to use their chip? I'm looking at $1600 for the Gt2871r Elim. kit, which also requires the high flow injectors for $250, and tuning for another $500 since none of the other companies I've called will use the APR chip that is already installed.  If you have anly links for me to go to and buy the t3, or the 2871r in a kit, or at least a reasonable price?  Also I like the more conservative exhaust you mentioned in the newbie guide.  Who would you recommend I purchase my exhaust from since you are runing the techtonics system I'm interested in?  To sum it up, I want my car to smoke srt-4's, s2000's, most mildly modified tuners and modified v-8s, yet it is still a lightly driven daily driver.  You seem to know your ****, so tell me what to buy and ill get it.

i would never get a 71r elim. its a 400hp turbo with a 250hp flange on it. it doesn't flow correctly and you will have hella lag and a small powerband. so while technically you can push upwards of 350hp you will only ever see those numbers high in the rpms. the only elim worth getting IMO is the gtrs. it has little lag yet produces decent numbers, and isn't choking because of the flange. but that turbo isn't gona produce the numbers you want. for the numbers you want, your gona need to go to a full setup, not just an elim setup. you can choose either a t3t4 turbo which is a journal bearing, or a gt28rs, which is a ball bearing. the ball bearing turbo's spool faster but t3t4's are much cheaper and the lag isn't bad at all.

both setups will be very similar. just look under gt28rs in the newbie guide for the complete parts list. as for software i would recommend unitronics.

4 grand wont get you a whole lot trust me. I have put over 20k in my car alone and Im still not done getting everything I need.

Yeah, well i've been searching(forums,websites) and calling and asking.....and I talked with a guy at APRtuning and was totally confident with the APR Stage3+ kit.  I'm sure he was pushing it because that is what he is paid to do.  The APR kit seems to have a good reputation, but when you can only talk him down to $4999. W/free shipping, im sure I can do much more with $5000.  034 needs and A4 to use to make a chip for their chip tuning software.  I could go to cALI and have them put my car through numerous hours of Dyno tuning at a fraction of the cost since they would be using my car to make the initial chip.  Or I can spend a little over a thousand on the 034 ECU.

You are so lost here.  You learn tuning from Kemp?

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ORIGINAL: chaos92287

i would never get a 71r elim. its a 400hp turbo with a 250hp flange on it. it doesn't flow correctly and you will have hella lag and a small powerband. so while technically you can push upwards of 350hp you will only ever see those numbers high in the rpms. the only elim worth getting IMO is the gtrs. it has little lag yet produces decent numbers, and isn't choking because of the flange. but that turbo isn't gona produce the numbers you want. for the numbers you want, your gona need to go to a full setup, not just an elim setup. you can choose either a t3t4 turbo which is a journal bearing, or a gt28rs, which is a ball bearing. the ball bearing turbo's spool faster but t3t4's are much cheaper and the lag isn't bad at all. just curious, but have you driven or ridin in a 1.8t with an elim kit on it? and compared it to a car with a full t25 garrett turbo on it?  just checking, cause i have, and i don't quite agree with some of your points

both setups will be very similar. just look under gt28rs in the newbie guide for the complete parts list. as for software i would recommend unitronics. you meant REVO. this is B6 country

 
oh, and i haven't had a chance to compare the two elims yet. but from talking to mike hood who has raced multiple different cars with same setups just only difference is 71r and gtrs. he states that the spool the same, and make about the same power. and also yield about the same drag times.  the housing really does make them flow the same. regardless of compressor wheel..
 
 
moving.......

Well since they run the same turbine housing and wheel, spool will be very simular (same family turbos spool ~200rpms differnt). 
 
As for the ko3 flange.  it is about the 80% the size of the T25 and even less of a T3 flange.  Trying to run 300hp on a ko3 flange isnt smart, trying to run a 400hp turbo.... well, you can do the math. 

cincy, we've been over this

Right, and you still dont get that running large turbo on a tiny flange isnt a good thing.  Why do you think just about everyone uses a T3 for gt30 turbos and not a t25?  You can always do something, doesnt mean its the optimum solution.

oh i get it. i've gotten it for a long time. it's not at all hard. you can look at the hybrid gt3071rwg that uses a t25 flange. it spools a bit faster, but it suffers up top..
 
but im just defending the elims. chaos has not ever riden in one but he's giving out info like he owns one. have you ever riden or driven an elim 1.8t? cause again, i have, as well as my t25 gt28rs everyday. and the comparison is much closer than people on here(you and chaos) give them credit for

I have not been in one since i dont know anyone that would invest in one.  There are plenty of ways to do things.  I prefer the best overall performance.  Elims are fine for some people, but if you go that route and think you are going to make BIG power and super fast spool, you are mistaken.  Not to menition its still going to cost about the same in the end.  Why not just spend the extra $400 or so and do it right the first time?

haha, if you think you're going to go with a GT28RS/71r, and think you're going to make BIG power with a super fast spool, you are sadly mistaken.
 
1. you just don't make BIG power and have a superfast spool on a 1.8L motor. no matter what turbo
 
2. you just don't make BIG power with a 28 series turbo. at LEAST get a 30 series