which BT manifold? - Page 3

Hi, I like to ask for people's OPINIONS, then I bash them when they disagree with me.

bishop, im not disagreeing with yo, you just seem like u think everything is better i its more expensive
 
and how do u think a tubular will last longer and is more durable?, i agree with cincy, and i can see how an ebay tubular will mess up, but a cast is a cast, just some have ATP on them, and jeff, were both of your manifolds tubular?, and wht mani from ebay did u buy? godspeed? or the even sh!ttier looking ones?

pretty sure his wasnt a godspeed... i saw pics he posted before. it didnt look like a very good mani at all... very thin. but i would say you are somewhat safe with an ebay cast... but definitly dont get a cheap tubular. I have seen so many of them break on alot of cars, not just a4's. 

ya, well out of all of the tubular ebay ones, the godspeed doesnt look bad at all
 
but ill probably just go with cast

i got the 034 tube manifold for my setup... we'll see how it is once it arrives.

cool, how much was that?
 
and do u guys really think that badly of godspeed?
 
and how do u like the 2.8 trans?

I love the 2.8 trans but I mean i have a 2.8 so ya know.


I've heard the gearing is different and those who have doe the swaps have been pleased with it.

it was 900 i think... i ordered other **** with it.

love the trans, not too much taller gears than the stock one, but nicer for sure.

im not a fan of godspeed stuff, although i have no first person experience with them.

th stock quattro (1.8t) trans has great gears for drag racing, but no real highway gear.
 
and have u heard of anyone using th godspeed mani

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th stock quattro (1.8t) trans has great gears for drag racing

not really, because unless your bone stock, you have to hit 4th gear which messes up your time...

im not bone stock at all, but my 4th gear doesnt seem to bad at all withe the 20psi it feels nice.
 
but ebay cast mani it is?!!??

yea but it sucks having to hit 4th, takes time ya know.

yea get the cast from ebay, i say its got a good shot of working just fine.  then you can let us know how it went

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ORIGINAL: 1.8TK3MP

im not bone stock at all, but my 4th gear doesnt seem to bad at all withe the 20psi it feels nice.

You're not holding 20psi in 4th gear. ****, you're not holding 20psi in ANY gear. The only way I will believe you is if you take a video with the boost gauge set to 0 when it's off, vacuum at ~20inHg when it's on, and boost up to 20psi in fourth.

Yeah Maybe spiking at 20PSI i could believe but even thats going to be pushing it on a stock turbo... But holding there is no way. I was using a K04 (yes I know it's a sucky not worth while upgrade) on my A4 and I couldn't hold 20 in 2nd or 3rd gear. So I highly doubt you can hold 20 in 4th on a stock K03.

Josh

hey jaws im going with the 2x just pricing out right now... Whos got experience with those, Cincy? Anybody?

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ORIGINAL: 1.8TK3MP

bishop, im not disagreeing with yo, you just seem like u think everything is better i its more expensive

and how do u think a tubular will last longer and is more durable?, i agree with cincy, and i can see how an ebay tubular will mess up, but a cast is a cast, just some have ATP on them, and jeff, were both of your manifolds tubular?, and wht mani from ebay did u buy? godspeed? or the even sh!ttier looking ones?

 
Are you kidding? I'm the one who made the ebay fmic diy! I think certain things from ebay are just fine. I think spending $900 on a fmic is retarted. and I never said tubular would be better (I think it would but to get a good tubular it would be very expensive) the cast one will be more prone to cracking, much much stronger overall. Kind of loke iron is much stronger than steel, but more brittle because of the carbon content. If it's from ebay, I would go cast.

my manifold from ebay was not cast. that might have served me better. but i think a manifold is a very important investment. not as much on here but on the evo forums that i read people argue about manifold design more than just about anything else. a poorly designed mani will hurt spool, hurt top end, or even cause surging. its just not some place i feel you should go cheap on. i dont see why someone who is dumping money into their car would put a cheap important part on their car. just to save some money but have a higher likly hood of failure. i had 2 different compains manifolds from ebay on my car...they both failed. It cost me a good amount of money to have 3 new manifolds put on, and then have my dp rewelded 3 times. not to mention the head ache of not having a car for awhile. hell i almost missed thanksgiving dinner the second time. the wastegate broke off and left me stranded. i guess your going to do what ever you want to do and good luck

The cast log manifolds give up top end for faster spool.  There are cast manifolds that dont have cyl firing at one another, but they are for fwd transverse cars.  Also the wastegate placement makes a huge factor on how it functions also.  The ATP and its clones are not the best design for total flow, but do the job on turbos up to the gt30 series well enough.  Of course you would see a nice gain in swapping to a tube man, but they cost more and will increase lag.  Not to mention unless you are trying to make over 400whp, its not going to be that important getting a tube man.
 
Jeff just admitted that he went cheap and it bit his ass hard a few times.  He was out a wastegate and a manifold once even.  Just do yourself a favor and get the atp clone with atp parts.  In the end it will save you over $200 and i even told Kemp a place to get his lines cheaper also. 
 
And to Bishop, ebay ic work, but they are FAR from a real kit.  The $900 kits use REAL intercoolers with high density cores that will both cool far better and take up less space.  This will make far more power since the iat's will be lower and you will have more (and be able to increase) timing.  And on a small turbo, timing is everything.  The other big part of a kit is that they use far less connections.  The fewer the connections the fewer spots for leaks and far less turbulance, again, more power.  Yes, cheaper is better than stock, but far from the best results.
 
Beatjunkie, the 2x will basically bolt right up and make far more power than a ko4 while having a real powerband.  With it done correctly, you should be seeing low 13's instead of somewhere in teh 14's with a ko4.
 
One final thing, when kemp says he is holding 20psi, he didnt mean forever.  He means it goes to 20psi, stays there for a 1k rpms or so and then falls off like everyone else.  Please use your heads before calling BS on something that all of you should know is true.
 
Now please, keep this thread on topic and stop the worthless name calling.

ya i went cheap and it bit me bad. if i were to do it agian 034 or FR would get my money. plus they just look bad ass

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 i even told Kemp a place to get his lines cheaper also. 

and where would that be?

You can get the parts at Aeroquip.  They have a bunch of AN fitings and hose.  They make a hightemp hose that is cheaper than stainless and way more flexable.  All you need then is push on fittings and some clamps, which they also have.  There is a store close to where he lives and can help him with everything.

thnks cincy, but to tell you the truth, when in 4th i will go no lower than 19psi
 
and in 5th gear i will hold 22psi for a long time, i was doing 120 with 20ish psi easily...i thought this was normal..?
 
and cincy, when i talked to you last i was doing the 16g, so im not too sure on what oil lines to get as of now, i already have my return line from a guy i know locally which had it on his BT until he went bigger and didnt work for him, and this return line is straight from ATP.
 
no for oil feed lines, does anyone know about how long i need?, or what fittings exactly?
 
cincy, you down for edgewater?  PM me
 
oh and for anyone wondering how its possible for me to hold that long of boost...i do have a greddy pro-fec, so that could be helping.

You THINK you are holding boost for a long time, but thats all in the gearing.  When you are on the highway and in higher gears, you will obviously hold boost longer since the rpms dont increase nearly as fast.  You are doing nothing special.  Most just think about going 0-XXXmph and it wont seem to hold as long.
 
Same stuff applies between the 16g and 50trim, just need the specific fittings.  See old pm's for the info.  All can be had for that turbo at either atp or himni-racing.com
 
I will be heading to FL next week and will be getting all my stuff ready, so edgewater is a no go.

oh, i know im not holding any sweet amount or record of boost, im just saying that once i hit 4th it will hold at 19
 
thanks cincy, but since i cant take my car to aero-quip for them to measure it out, i dont really know how long to get them made.
 
but from my understanding its something like a 4an to the oil source, and then a regular t3/t4 fitting for the oil inlet on the turbo.
 
ps.  not running coolant
 
and cincy, im going to edgewater this weekend...so u cant go at all? i need a witness b/c i dont have a vid camera

im probably going friday
 
or going to tri-state saturday