<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hello everyone!</FONT></P>


<FONT face=Arial>Well, I just sat down with the dealer today and finally gave into the new S4. Black 6 speed. </FONT></P>


I've never owned an audi, period. </P>


I almost gave into the M3 although I really wanted the quatro and the 4 doors. </P>


Works well here in the Midwest! </P>


Question, are there some simple mods I can add to it, without voiding the warranty? I'm thinking about a chip... Never installed one in any of my cars and I'm not quite sure where I'd start.</P>


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Since your car is the new B6 model, I would wait a few more months for the chip makers to work out any bugs that inevitably come up on new models.
First, I would look to mods that would increase flow: intake and exhaust.
Lastly, suspension and brakes would be the next area to consider, but I wouldn't put brakes high on the list - the stock brakes are monsters!

i dont think u can add anything with coughing up the warrenty, maybe ask the dealer or something. but def make sure before u do anything

You are in the midwest, so you have no smog like CA. I say put in a full exhaust with own pipes. You will get about 30 HP from that. Then also get an intake, which will give you another 10 HP. As for warranty issues, they cannot void your warranty on the engine for exhaust and intake, they will be able to void the warranty on the stock units of both of those components. As for the chip, IF they notice the chip, your warranty is gone.

that sounds like ricer math to me.

ORIGINAL: Jestnomen

that sounds like ricer math to me.


LMAO! :beer:

Bahhhhhhh (spits out coffee)[sm=icon_rofl.gif]
ORIGINAL: Jestnomen

that sounds like ricer math to me.

ORIGINAL: S4lover

&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"&gt;Hello everyone!&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;Well, I just sat down with the dealer today and finally gave into the new S4. Black 6 speed. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I've never owned an audi, period. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I almost gave into the M3 although I really wanted the quatro and the 4 doors. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Works well here in the Midwest! &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Question, are there some simple mods I can add to it, without voiding the warranty? I'm thinking about a chip... Never installed one in any of my cars and I'm not quite sure where I'd start.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Any suggestions ?&lt;IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"&gt;&lt;/P&gt;


Congrats on the purchase Rick. It's a fabulous car.

A GIAC software upgrade won't void you warranty as the GIAC software is completely invisible.

We now have the capability to "Flash" the factory ECU. It literally takes 12minutes to flash the ECU.
We flash(download) the chip through the OBD2 port. It is completely undetectable by the dealer.

As well with the Flash, GIAC’s new Flashloader is available. It allows you to switch chip programs(to kill/valet, race, stock) with the push of a button yourself.

One big reason why the GIAC Flash safeguards your factory warranty better than APR or REVO software is that there is an internal flash counter and security access monitor in the VAG ECU that shows how many times the ECU has been "flashed" as well as how many times someone has gotten through the security firewall(this happens when you Flash program the ECU).

Every time one flashes either a stock file or performance file with APR and REVO's software, the internal flash counter is increased by a count of one, as well as it is noted that the security firewall has been breached.

With GIAC software, no matter how many times we Flash the ECU with a stock file or performance file, the internal flash counter will NOT increase and no red flags are raised that the security firewall has been breached.

Why is this important to maintaining your warranty?

Every once in awhile the Audi/VW dealership will have software updates of their own for known drivability issues, etc...so, if you go into the dealer complaining that your car behaves a certain way, drives like so, etc, they might "Flash" your ECU with an updated version of software that might be known to cure the issue.

Well, let's say there have only been 3 software updates released by VAG. If you have been Flash-chipped with REVO or APR software(remember, your internal flash counter increases every time you get Flashed with APR or REVO), your internal flash counter could read 5, 10, 20, etc(essentially a number larger than the 3 factory software updates). The dealer can see this and bingo, they know that someone has been accessing/Flash chipping the ECU.

With the GIAC Flashloader, before you visit the dealer, you can switch the file back to stock. If the dealer looks at your internal flash count, it will not be any different than stock or how many times they might have updated your software, so no red flags are thrown and no questions are asked.

Does that make sense?

On exhaust, there are some nice systems out there. We recommend the full high-flow downpipes/cats and cat-back.

As far as intakes go, some make ok power and some make great power. Do your homework on this one.

Here is a dyno sheet from the work we have done so far;
http://www.matrixintegrated.cc/Feature/04%20S4%20GIAC%20Matix.jpg

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask!

Best,
Jeremy

Sounds to me like a lil speech sayin how much giac is better, period.

ORIGINAL: audiboy1618

Sounds to me like a lil speech sayin how much giac is better, period.


Just passing on the technical info.

And you are correct-----GIAC is always at the forefront.

put an exhaust on it

Thats biased, which is ok because I like giac. But apr quotes 47hp gain. Coming straight from giacs website is says 40 to 45hp. Apr makes more hp.

ORIGINAL: audiboy1618

Thats biased, which is ok because I like giac. But apr quotes 47hp gain. Coming straight from giacs website is says 40 to 45hp. Apr makes more hp.


Confident I would say. :)

Where do you see that GIAC quotes 40 to 45 and that APR quotes 47hp? (BTW, companies quote figures all the time. Unless it's backed up by dyno proof, I tend to be hesitant of it).

From GIAC's site;

"Programming for - The 2005 B6 S4 4.2L

GIAC performance software for the 2005 B6 S4 4.2L smoothly delivers a 15-23 hp and 15-28 ft-lbs gain. For optimum power gains the software must be coupled with a cold air intake."

my bad matrix, I was thinking something totally different(diff car) Dont get me wrong, I like giac, but I like apr also. Im switching to giacs ko4 software here soon.

ORIGINAL: jeremy@matrix

ORIGINAL: audiboy1618

Thats biased, which is ok because I like giac. But apr quotes 47hp gain. Coming straight from giacs website is says 40 to 45hp. Apr makes more hp.


Confident I would say. :)

Where do you see that GIAC quotes 40 to 45 and that APR quotes 47hp? (BTW, companies quote figures all the time. Unless it's backed up by dyno proof, I tend to be hesitant of it).

From GIAC's site;

"Programming for - The 2005 B6 S4 4.2L

GIAC performance software for the 2005 B6 S4 4.2L smoothly delivers a 15-23 hp and 15-28 ft-lbs gain. For optimum power gains the software must be coupled with a cold air intake."




So true. My 02 SS from SLP was rated at 345hp. 325hp from the LS1, and 10hp for the Air intake, and 10 for the exhaust. The car didn't Dyno close to that number. I recommend to Dyno the car stock, then Dyno the car after the mods.

exactly 05S4, there are sooo many factors that can effect dyno runs (altitude, temperature).

I wanna find out how manufactures come up with some of there HP numbers. 30 hp for this 30 hp for that..

ORIGINAL: 05S4

I wanna find out how manufactures come up with some of there HP numbers. 30 hp for this 30 hp for that..



Unfortunately some just guess. :(

Hey matrix, I've heard that claim before about the dealer not being able to detect a flash with GIACs software, but what kind of guarantee do we have that this is true?

Also, if the dealer decides to flash the chip with current upgrades, how does that effect the GIAC flash. (ie. will it mean that we have to flash the chip again from GIAC after visiting the dealer?)

ORIGINAL: norcaltrojan

Hey matrix, I've heard that claim before about the dealer not being able to detect a flash with GIACs software, but what kind of guarantee do we have that this is true?

Also, if the dealer decides to flash the chip with current upgrades, how does that effect the GIAC flash. (ie. will it mean that we have to flash the chip again from GIAC after visiting the dealer?)


Well, since GIAC has built into the code the fact that the Flash count does not increase no matter how many times we Flash the ECU, this helps to secure your warranty.

If the dealer decides to Flash their updated stock software while the ECU has anything else besides a stock file on it(pump gas, race gas, anti-theft/valet), that updated stock file will flash over the GIAC file. You would have to get that GIAC file re-Flashed(we do this for just the cost of labor). That is why we suggest putting the ECU in stock mode when visiting the dealer.

HTH,
Jeremy

if mines anything to go by.....take it back.

i'd be interested to hear from you with regards to my thread "S4 DOG"

does your engine do the same as mine, my dealer is trying to tell me they are all like it,
surely not every Audi is S**T,

It's a fantastic car, mines manual and black too. Sadly marred by this problem.

Chris

All I can say is beware of water... I just lost my new S4 avant to a puddle Sunday night. The car hydrolocked after driving through some water on the road. I wasn't trying to ford a stream or anything like that. It may be a fluke, but I've never had anything close to this happen before.

J,

What intake do you have? It must sit pretty low to the ground and the water must have been pretty high.

Sorry to hear. :(

Jeremy

ORIGINAL: jeremy@matrix

ORIGINAL: audiboy1618

Sounds to me like a lil speech sayin how much giac is better, period.


Just passing on the technical info.

And you are correct-----GIAC is always at the forefront.



The APR also has a flash program is invisible

ORIGINAL: GTMA4


The APR also has a flash program is invisible


Eh, not fully invisible;

"Every time one flashes either a stock file or performance file with APR and REVO's software, the internal flash counter is increased by a count of one, as well as it is noted that the security firewall has been breached."

This does not happen with GIAC.