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What bhp is std M3 in US. In Europe you they have 326bhp and new one has almost 350.

If its an old m3 i don't even think you should buy something... S4 isn't slower</P>


for the new m3 you could have a look for a descent chip or turbo upgrade</P>

Both these cars were tested in the UK about 2 months ago and the S4 won in the dry..&gt;!!! They said it would have really embarassed the M3 in the wet. The m3 was slightly faster in a straight line but....goto www.bm3w.co.uk ("") and check out their old reviews of non-production 'm' models. Someone attached an mpeg clip of the whole test.

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i think the S4 and M3 chase the same goals, but use different methods. however, the M3's superb level of tune is its own Achilles' heel when it comes to competing with the S4. the E46 M3's are fast, that's true, but an exhuast system, chip upgrade and intercooler upgrades will bridge the performance gap, which is smaller than most people think. a few careful suspension mods should put the S4over the top.</P>

i think the S4 and M3 chase the same goals, but use different methods. however, the M3's superb level of tune is its own Achilles' heel when it comes to competing with the S4. the E46 M3's are fast, that's true, but an exhuast system, chip upgrade and intercooler upgrades will bridge the performance gap, which is smaller than most people think. a few careful suspension mods should put the S4šover the top.</p>

completely agree with you!

M3 is a very well tuned 3 series by an in-house tuner basically, S4s on the other hand are not tuned as much from the factory. so there is more space for additional tuning in the S4 as opposed to the M3, and the B5 gen bi-turbo S4s had the avantage of massive power uprgrades due to turbos <img src=uploads/Firestarter1984/5B2E6_beer.gif border="0">

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BMW M3 are faster. However S4's are fast and can be just as fast but they are also way more practical. All Wheel Drive! Lets race an S4 and M3 in the snow or loose gravel. Then the S4 would smoke them. It also depends what year M3 and S4. I was refering to new ones. I believe that Older S4's like 1992 are faster then like 1995 M3's. I could be wrong.</P>

it has been proven that a bone stock E46 M3 beat out a 04 S4 by 0.2 seconds on the track, even though the S4 has a V8 and 4.3L engine with 342hp, doesnt mean that its going to bebeast. the primary reason as to why the M3's are faster, is due to the fact that they have a straight 6 engine, and their have 50/50 f/r balancing. E46 M3's just eat it up on the track. but there is a couple of good things about the new S4's, the QUATTRO!

Yeah well the new M5 will own everybody here...

V10...515bhp...

So you can all go lick some mexican poop that was installed in my S4.....

did u read that story/

So you can all go lick some mexican poop that was installed in my S4.....


Jeesh pal... what's with you and the constant references to Mexican scat? You must think you're funny. How old are you? Twelve?

Get a life.... elsewhere.

it has been proven that a bone stock E46 M3 beat out a 04 S4 by 0.2 seconds on the track, even though the S4 has a V8 and 4.3L engine with 342hp, doesnt mean that its going to bebeast. the primary reason as to why the M3's are faster, is due to the fact that they have a straight 6 engine, and their have 50/50 f/r balancing. E46 M3's just eat it up on the track. but there is a couple of good things about the new S4's, the QUATTRO! </P>


i completely agree that the M3 is an awesome car and i am very impressed with it.however, that 2-tenths difference on paper, at least to me, says more about the S4 than it does about the M3. as much as i love and respect the M3 (E46), i'd take either the Gen II or Gen III S4 over it any day, based solely on the principle of potential. just an opinion ....</P><edited><editID>diabolical1</editID><editDate>38108.8007291667</editDate></edited>

I have a 2001 S4 and have tangled with a couple of M3s and they are pretty neck and neck. </P>


I have 30,000 and am going to wait till 50,000 to do mods because of the free service that i don't want to be voided but i will go with the engine and trans chip mod for $1000 that brings give the car a 60 HP boost and harder shift.</P>


Yeah...I got an Auto i get s**t all the time but i'm lazy so......</P>


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Just curious.......isn't the new M3 going to be a V-8 anyways? I love both, but why does Audi force us to dump a ton of money into their TUNER car to make it a real tuner car? Just read the test on the 05 S4 Cabriolet and the best they could do with 350 HP was a 5.8 0-60? Come on Audi..step it up a notch....are we gonna need 500 hp for a sub 5 sec launch&gt; The WRX STI does 0-60 in 4.8 with 300hp and only a 4 cyl.

i think the problem, not suprisingly, is WEIGHT - who knows what the cabrio weighs? its goot be pushing 4,000 #, and against that inertia, you'd need RS6-type power to run 5.0.

You guys have hijacked the thread from its original post!

The guy was refering to a B5 S4 from 2000-2002 vs the same years in an M3.

I have yet to be beat with my 2004 S4 versus an M3....Problem with M3 owners is that they think they have a fast car and most don't know how to drive for the life of them, not to mention the 2004 S4 is the biggest sleeper car on the road today.....So, most M3 owners just don't expect it. Now add a new exhaust and port tunning mod.....there is not much on the road to beat.

Plus, jus think about what happens to M3 owners when mother nature gets a little wet......They park in the garage.....we laugh...!!!

ORIGINAL: dspete

I have yet to be beat with my 2004 S4 versus an M3....Problem with M3 owners is that they think they have a fast car and most don't know how to drive for the life of them, not to mention the 2004 S4 is the biggest sleeper car on the road today.....So, most M3 owners just don't expect it. Now add a new exhaust and port tunning mod.....there is not much on the road to beat.

Plus, jus think about what happens to M3 owners when mother nature gets a little wet......They park in the garage.....we laugh...!!!



HELLOOOOOO!!!

This thread isn't about the 2004 S4 vs an M3. READ THE ORIGINAL POST!

HELLOOOOO WHO CARES IT'S JUST A STATEMENT...

So then post your '04 S4 notes in another thread.
This thread has gotten diluted from it's original question, because you, diabolical1, and turbo38t started talking about the V8 S4.

The original question was:
If I bought an 00-01 s4, what mods would be needed to beat a stock m3. same years. How much would I have to spend.

An AWE turbo upgrade on your car would be a great place to start up to 440hp depending on the kit. I have had good experance with the guys at RPM Racing inc. They carry all the AWE parts and more. their number is 631-423-0275 ask for Abe, I have delt with him in the past.

Hey Noobie! Welcome!

But you've repeated this diatribe in your first three posts (in three different threads).

Seeing that your name is AZRPM, I would guess that you are Abe at RPM Racing, Inc.

Kind of uncool that you are trying to pose as a consumer who is recommending a tuner/vendor.

Time to come clean, pal.

well one more point, the fact that the S4 is AWD really puts the S4 ahead of the M3 simple because its more practicle, if the S4 can handle better in the rain, i want it...especially living in new jersey.... :) plus BMW i think, is overrated. all the rich folgies drive BMW

I considered the M3 as my first choice when I was recently shopping around for a car, but ended up with the S4. Reason being that I test drove a lot of the M3's, and they were indeed fast, and purposeful racing machines. I liked the S4 because it was 1) quiet 2) had 4 doors (granted that the '97-'98 M3s did have sedan models) 3) more solid build quality. I easily take on many cars on the road and still have the ability to shuttle my friends to and from lunch. :) But I digress...

I think if you want to beat an M3, you can. If comes down to the conditions and terms of racing. M3's don't make their power till the higher RPMs, so... race from 0-30mph. Or perhaps you'd want to race one on ice or very wet pavement. :D

My oldest brother has a 2002 M3 and I've been trying to convince him to race me, but apparently he has more brains than not. I have got to get him to commit before he sells the damn thing in his pursuit of an E55!!

ORIGINAL: norcaltrojan

My oldest brother has a 2002 M3 and I've been trying to convince him to race me, but apparently he has more brains than not. I have got to get him to commit before he sells the damn thing in his pursuit of an E55!!

It's only because he knows he'll toss ya! :D

It's only because he knows he'll toss ya!

I wouldn't go that far!! I'm sure he could win, but I know it would be close. About 2-3 years back I raced him and I won in my 70 boss 429 Mustang, but I know it was because I got a jump on him in the start. I realize it's a totally different car, but it made me realize that beating him is more than possible!! There is a glimmer of hope!

i beat an e46 m3 with my b5 s4 that had a crap chip and a filter, downgeared to fifth and that was all she wrote, from about 80mph. too bad a couple days later my turbo bearings went bad,waiting for warranty now though, wont be too long see yah

First of all... Welcome to the forum incredibusxx!

Do you mean you rolled from 80 and beat the e46???

my friend has a turbo E36 M3 and its in viper territory [sp] he ran a 10.82 on low boost (7psi) he has the timeslip to prove it. his high boost is 12 psi but has no traction to use it.

That's sick time!!

yup imola killed that e46, i have a question though ,my turbos started making a whistling sound the next day and i also hesitate between 3500-4000 rpms . this was about 2 months ago. now it still whistles and i am getting slower and slower, my friend has a stock b5 s4 and he beat me ! remember i am chipped.

I just responded to your other post. Go there, so we can keep all the info together.

Chip it and new turbos and intercooler, that should put the M3 to sleep

First of all, there was no M3 made in the US in 2000, so you must be talking about the 2001 e46 M3. The car is rated at 333 bhp and runs 0-60 in approx 4.7 seconds. Stock 1/4 is about 13.0

I'm here to learn about S4's so I cannot comment on what you would need to do to go that fast, but that is what you are up against.

Your turbos are cooked incredibusxx

http://gofastvideo.com/gallery/item/predownload/201/1/free-racing-videos/top-gear---bmw-m3-vs.-audi-s4.html

That should answer your question!!!!!!!!!!!!
sick video