CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
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CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
Hey Guys,
I am having a crisis. I bought my 2005 S4 about 6 months ago from Walter's Audi in Riverside. After driving it for about 2 months, my engined died, I wasn't sure of the cause but it was covered under warranty and Santa Monica Audi replaced the engine. Recently my engine started to behave in a strange manner, i.e. it was misfiring like hell. I took it into Audi Newport beach to have them take a look at it. Apparently, the cover was over revved, and one of my cylinders hit my valve and dented it. This is what I believe he told me, I was in shock at time because he told me Audi would not replace my engine and I would have to pay for all damaged caused to it. The costs are enormous, 12-13000 for the engine and 4000 for the labor.
I am in no way an aggressive driver, nor would I be dumb enough to let the car overrev, regardless, do you guys have any suggestions on what I should or can do?
Right now it would be ideal if I can even just get enough money to cover the payoff, 25000, but it is not looking good.
I am having a crisis. I bought my 2005 S4 about 6 months ago from Walter's Audi in Riverside. After driving it for about 2 months, my engined died, I wasn't sure of the cause but it was covered under warranty and Santa Monica Audi replaced the engine. Recently my engine started to behave in a strange manner, i.e. it was misfiring like hell. I took it into Audi Newport beach to have them take a look at it. Apparently, the cover was over revved, and one of my cylinders hit my valve and dented it. This is what I believe he told me, I was in shock at time because he told me Audi would not replace my engine and I would have to pay for all damaged caused to it. The costs are enormous, 12-13000 for the engine and 4000 for the labor.
I am in no way an aggressive driver, nor would I be dumb enough to let the car overrev, regardless, do you guys have any suggestions on what I should or can do?
Right now it would be ideal if I can even just get enough money to cover the payoff, 25000, but it is not looking good.
3rd Gear
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
I believe an over rev would be stored in the ECU. How do they know it's a valve for sure, how did they test for it?
For them to deny the claim, they have to prove that you did it, or that is caused by misuse.
For them to deny the claim, they have to prove that you did it, or that is caused by misuse.
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Tacoma, WA
RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
How can they prove it was a mis-shift? If it was, a lot of valves should show damage, along with piston damage. I also highly doubt they would remove the heads from the engine to check the damage, that is a lot of labor, that my guess is they are getting you to pay for. Really, do you even know how bad the damage is? Are all the valves bent, are the pistons damaged? If it's only a couple, just get new valves put in, & have the seats fixes. That should only be a couple hundred in parts, & maybe $1200 in labor.
I would call AOA, & talk to them about it, if that doesn't work, contact a lawyer to get the fine print of the warranty.
I would call AOA, & talk to them about it, if that doesn't work, contact a lawyer to get the fine print of the warranty.
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
Yeah as long as your engine ECM isn't chipped it would register and RPM too high fault and the ecm would protect you from over reving the motor if you miss-shifted. Thats BS, report that damn shop, if you didn't give authorization for pulling the cylinder heads then they are liable for the labor.
RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
At the shop I work at we pull heads all the time to check for damage. usually only when we really assume it. but still.
Is it possible the dealer messed up when putting the engine in and forgot to re time it? What Im saying is the belt could be a couple teeth off. (timing belt) but I dont know if that sets an engine light in the newer cars.
Is it possible the dealer messed up when putting the engine in and forgot to re time it? What Im saying is the belt could be a couple teeth off. (timing belt) but I dont know if that sets an engine light in the newer cars.
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
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At the shop I work at we pull heads all the time to check for damage. usually only when we really assume it. but still.
Is it possible the dealer messed up when putting the engine in and forgot to re time it? What Im saying is the belt could be a couple teeth off. (timing belt) but I dont know if that sets an engine light in the newer cars.
At the shop I work at we pull heads all the time to check for damage. usually only when we really assume it. but still.
Is it possible the dealer messed up when putting the engine in and forgot to re time it? What Im saying is the belt could be a couple teeth off. (timing belt) but I dont know if that sets an engine light in the newer cars.
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
They are going to email me the pictures of the engine, the compression numbers, as well as, the ecu error codes.
They pointed out to me that the ecu DOES NOT store over revving.
From now until tomorrow, I have to decide what to do with my car. stressed out like a mother... [/align]
They pointed out to me that the ecu DOES NOT store over revving.
From now until tomorrow, I have to decide what to do with my car. stressed out like a mother... [/align]
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
Hey AudiTech....just in cased you missed it, he has the v8.
Not trying to be a dick just thought I'd mention that becuase I don't know if that would change your opinion on the whole timing belt being off a tooth. I've heard the B5 2.7t engine is super sensitive to timing (like you've already mentioned), but I don't know how the v8 would react?
Thanks Guys!
Not trying to be a dick just thought I'd mention that becuase I don't know if that would change your opinion on the whole timing belt being off a tooth. I've heard the B5 2.7t engine is super sensitive to timing (like you've already mentioned), but I don't know how the v8 would react?
Thanks Guys!
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RE: CRISIS!!! Help my S4 is dead!
So here are the codes:
16497-Intake Air Temperature Circuit
16502-Engine coolant Temperature Circuit
16684 Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire detected
16685 Cyl 1 Misfire Detected-Sporadic
16687 Cly 3 Misfire Detected- Sporadic
16692 Cyl 8 Misfire Detected- Sporadic
Nothing on overreving, called corporate today, they are looking into the case and calling me back on tuesday. thanks a lot for the help guys!!!!
More specifically, I told them the dealer stated "I overrevved or mis-shifted" when they have no evidence of such a thing on the ECU. Then I emphasized it may have been a manufacterers defect because something broke off inside, or poor workmanship from Santa Monica.
here are pictures of the engine:
http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc216/manas17/
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16497-Intake Air Temperature Circuit
16502-Engine coolant Temperature Circuit
16684 Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire detected
16685 Cyl 1 Misfire Detected-Sporadic
16687 Cly 3 Misfire Detected- Sporadic
16692 Cyl 8 Misfire Detected- Sporadic
Nothing on overreving, called corporate today, they are looking into the case and calling me back on tuesday. thanks a lot for the help guys!!!!
More specifically, I told them the dealer stated "I overrevved or mis-shifted" when they have no evidence of such a thing on the ECU. Then I emphasized it may have been a manufacterers defect because something broke off inside, or poor workmanship from Santa Monica.
here are pictures of the engine:
http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc216/manas17/
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