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Old 03-05-2011, 05:45 PM
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Good day Peeps,

I purchased a new 2011 A5 2.0t about 7 months ago. My odometer currently stands at 4600 miles and my oil level is at zero.

Now, I've noticed that the MMI is inconsistent when it comes to oil level reports, as it bounced around for a few months. However, despite the bouncing around, the oil level has been consistently decreasing during this time.

I first noticed the zero oil level last night. However, I have not had any indicator lights come up on the dash. I checked again this morning (after letting the engine warm up) and the oil level still shows zero. Again, no indicator lights. I'm afraid to drive it like this, so I'll obviously run out and grab some oil as an interim solution.

However, my bigger concern is the excessive oil consumption. 5 quarts in 4600 miles translates to approximately 1 quart per every 900 miles. The manual states that high consumption levels can reach 0.5 quarts per every 600 miles. I know that oil consumption tends to be slightly higher during the initial break-in. I'm pretty meticulous about my cars, so I made sure it was broken-in properly and I monitor this stuff regularly. At 3000 miles, my oil usage was about half. So, it seems as if my A5 is consuming more oil now than it was previously. The car is garaged on a flat service in the same spot every night and also in a reserved spot at my work. I have zero oil spots in either garage, so it doesn't seem to be leaking.

So, my question is this: For all you guys with the 2.0 TFSI, what has your oil consumption been like? Did you notice excessive oil consumption during break-in? Do you guys see this level of consumption as normal?

I'm due for the 5000 mile maintenance and I'll have Audi check it out then, but just trying to gather information before I take it in. I'm also not trying to overreact to the oil consumption issue, but I've had other small nuances (misfire codes left and right) with this car since I got it and all of the nuances are starting to raise my annoyance level.

Ryan
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:52 AM
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Seems quite high. I only have 2000 miles and haven't checked yet.

Have you added oil? Have you purchased and checked with a dipstick?
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:14 AM
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I have a 2007 2.0TFSI and change my oil annually as I only put about 7,000 miles on my car each year. Usually I have to add 1/2 to 1 quart between oil changes. So I'm using about a quart every 7,000 miles.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:39 AM
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I have yet to purchase a dipstick, but it looks like I probably should.

So, I purchased a few quarts of oil on Saturday. I added 1 quart of oil. I waited a little while before turning on the engine and then I let it warm up. I tried to check the oil, but got the following message on the MMI "Oil level display available after approximately 2 minutes. Engine must be warm and turned off." So, I let it run for about 10 minutes before shutting it down. I check the oil again and the MMI says that I need to turn on the ignition to get the reading. After turning on the engine, I get the same exact "wait two minutes" message... So, my MMI is stuck in a circular reference...awesome!

So, I decide not to put any more oil in until I can figure out the actual level. I check it again this morning and I got the same circular messages. After running some errands, I check the oil level and it finally gives me a reading. However, this time is shows the oil level as being completely full. WTF?

This makes no sense to me. I'm thinking maybe its an electrical or sensor or even MMI problem (as I've had other weird issues with my MMI so far).

Anyways, not sure if anyone else has experienced this but its really annoying. Scheduling my A5 for the 5000 mile maintenance this week...and the sad thing is that I have had a good half-dozen issues with this car so far.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:26 PM
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I have yet to purchase a dipstick, but it looks like I probably should.

So, I purchased a few quarts of oil on Saturday. I added 1 quart of oil. I waited a little while before turning on the engine and then I let it warm up. I tried to check the oil, but got the following message on the MMI "Oil level display available after approximately 2 minutes. Engine must be warm and turned off." So, I let it run for about 10 minutes before shutting it down. I check the oil again and the MMI says that I need to turn on the ignition to get the reading. After turning on the engine, I get the same exact "wait two minutes" message... So, my MMI is stuck in a circular reference...awesome!
I have a 2010 A4 but I have almost the exact same issue. First, at just under 5,000 miles, the oil light came on telling me to add oil. I ended up just taking it in for service where they told me it was normal. They said I did not need another oil change for until I get to 15,000 miles (or a year). Then at about 11,500 milles, the oil light came on and I added 1/2 quart of oil. Now I am at 12,500 and the light just came on again. I added another 1/2 quart, called the dealer and was told that its normal for it to burn through 1 quart every 1,200 miles. That sounds ridiculous to me, but that's their story. The only positive was that they said if I stop in to the dealer, they would top up the oil between oil changes.

And by the way, I get the exact same circular messages everytime I added oil. Very frustrating. The MMI is terrific generally, but there are just some little things that are very annoying.
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Old 03-23-2011, 11:15 PM
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I'm having the exact same issue. I took it into the dealership and they did and oil consumption test and said it falls within the 'normal parameters.

I think it's ridiculous... what other new cars burn oil?

Is there anything an owner can do about this problem? Take it up with Audi Canada/USA?

I would like more thorough answers to the questions originally asked in this post if possible. Thanks@
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:44 AM
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Ryan,

Are you thinking you've used 5 quarts of oil because the MMI reads zero? I don't have my manual in the house but I believe when the MMI reads zero you are about 1 quart low, same as the minimum mark on a dip stick. To check the MMI oil reading the car should be on level ground, the engine must be warm, shut of the engine and turn the ignition back on (engine not running), after about 2 minutes you will get a reading for oil level.

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Old 03-24-2011, 04:13 AM
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@Gary- Thanks for the info. The technician at my local Audi dealership basically told me the same thing, although I was confused by the statement.

I'm assuming that the 2.0 TFSI holds 5 quarts of oil. Is that a correct assumption?

So, by one quart low do you mean one quart remaining (equal to four quarts burned)? If so, this is understandable, albeit it still seems to be consuming oil fairly quickly (but, from what I can recall, would technically fall into the high part of the acceptable range according to the manual).

What I still don't get is why my MMI read a "maximum" oil level after I put 1-quart of oil in the car. So, if I was down to 1-quart of oil remaining and I put only 1-quart of oil in the car, then how do I end up with a "maximum" reading? That doesn't make sense.

Or if I'm misinterpreting everything and I was only down to 4 quarts of oil in the car (just 1-quart low), then why would the MMI read "zero" if the oil is at 80% capacity? That doesn't make sense either.

So, regardless of being at 4-quarts remaining or 1-quart remaining, the MMI reading did not make sense.

I guess what I find frustrating is that the MMI is not the slightest bit intuitive when it comes to reading the oil level. So, having a dipstick option would be nice when you don't have a system that is all but simple. However, when I inquired about ordering a dipstick from Audi I was told that they couldn't get one for my car. In addition to the non-intuitive system, it took me approximately 48 hours to get a read on my oil level. I followed the instructions by the book...flat surface, warmed the car up, turned it off and I got a lovely circular reference. I spent a good hour or two driving the car around and turning the car on and off (on flat surfaces) trying to get this reading to no avail. When I finally did get the reading, it was at "maximum."

So, perhaps the MMI system (specifically the software) was poorly executed/buggy upon release...which could be the case (and is typical in software development projects), as I've had several really weird MMI issues (not turning on [although audio is on and my phone is connected to bluetooth], stuck in back-up camera mode for several minutes, not reading/finding contacts on my MMI[yet, they I can pick up my phone and find them]) that are annoying as hell.

I absolutely love this car (IMO- the sexiest designed car currently in production), but if these little annoyances continue I may very well consider trading in on a MB or maybe even a *gulp* BMW. Kind of depressing...

Ryan
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:29 AM
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The MMI oil level reading is just like a dipstick. A dipstick only reads from full to down one quart. If you are down more than one quart you won't get a reading on the dipstick. On the MMI, if you are down one quart the MMI will read zero. If you are down more than one quart the MMI will still read zero. In your situation it sounds like you were one quart low, that is why when you added a quart the MMI read max. If your car becomes extremely low on oil you would get a red oil light on the dash. That light tells you that the engine has lost oil pressure. If that light ever comes on you should stop the engine immediately.

I think your problem with getting the MMI to read the oil level is being caused by confusion with the Ignition. When the car is running you push the key to stop the engine, then with your foot off of the brake pedal, push the key. All of your dash lights should come on but the engine should stay off. When you check the oil level it should give you the message about waiting 2 minutes. The 2 minute wait is to give the oil time to drain back into the oil pan for an accurate reading.

I hope this helps
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:29 AM
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Thanks for the clarification, Gary. That does summarize it well. Much appreciated.

Now that you mention it, I rarely use my key...typically just push start. So, perhaps that was my issue with the lack of a timely oil level reset.
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You should be able to do the same thing with the push button. Push button to shut off engine, remove foot from brake (make sure parking brake is set), push start button, you should see all your dash lights come on.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:54 AM
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The problem with mine is that after around 1,000kms I have to add a litre of oil because the low oil light comes on. It's annoying but AUDI has said that it's normal. My dad said that they figured out in the 50's how to stop making cars burn oil and it's ridiculous that AUDI says this is normal.

My fear is that what if after my car is off warranty the engine blows because it's been low on oil numerous times?

Should I be going to consumer affairs or be approaching AUDI North America?
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:25 PM
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Hi Ryan,
I purchased a fully optioned brand new A5 convertable. It has had to go back for oil top ups EVERY 6 WEEKS!!!!! yes - every 6 weeks!!!
I checked the manual and i drive within the specified kilometers, not in dusty areas, dont idle the car much etc etc etc. Im actually a very normal and boring driver.

The first time i took the car back for oil, which was about 6 weeks after it was delivered brand new, they told me it needs more oil in the first year as its a new car (im totally gullable to rubbish from service centre staff).

Now that ive had the car 14 months and have had it back 10 times ive been told "its a known fault that this car goes through a lot of oil. My car is not as bad as others". wow - that makes me feel better.

Well ive now completly lost interest in my car that has a 17 page service history. Luckily i live in Australia and we have the Trade Practices Act. This car is not of Merchantible Quality.

I wrote to Audi, then rang twice. no response!!

So - i handed this to my extrememly competent lawyers and are seeking to recind the contract and get a full refund.

Bugger them!! its a car not a lawn mower - im not putting oil in a new car every 6 weeks!!!

Good luck

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Old 03-30-2011, 02:39 AM
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Hi Peeps!

I purchased an A4 2L TSFI in Sept 10. Among other issues, my major problem is that I have had to get my oil topped up 4 times already and my oil warning light just came back on at 7577km! (Audi Service did say to me that some cars consume extra oil while running in as the oil they use initially is thinner)

On top of this, I've been told by passing motorists that my exhaust emits blue/black/grey smoke every time I accelerate!!! My exhaust tips are like charcoal!!

Audi said that they will do an Oil Consumption Test after doing 5000km.
They did Stage 1 at 5300km and I was told to do a min of 1000km and come back to do stage 2.

I called NRMA (In Australia) who advised me to get an independent report and gave me details for a reputed Euro car mechanic who I visited today and asked them to go through the whole car but not add any oil as I have booked into the Stage 2 of the Oil Consumption test with Audi tomorrow.

The report says there is excessive reading of Hydrocarbon. It's at 260PPM when it should be around 50PPM! Says further intensive tests are required on the engine to find the cause. (Would be a very expensive exercise if it were not under warranty!) All other readings were normal.

Now, my problem is that when I picked the car up, my oil waring lamp had disappeared!! Every other time, the warning stayed on until the oil was topped up - but the mechanics insist that they did not add any oil to it. My MMI screen shows that the oil level is zero (actually, the bar is just empty).

the Oil Waring came on on Saturday (now Wednesday) and I have never left it this long without topping it up so Iím wondering if the warning lamp went off automatically after this extended time period and will re-appear soon, if it turned off because the mechanics hooked the car up to the diagnostic machine for the tests or if the mechanics accidently topped up the oil and wonít admit it...

I was advised not to tell Audi about my independent report until they give me theirs so I can compare the two but if the mechanics added oil, I will have to tell Audi as it will obviously affect the Stage 2 reading!

Can someone please help?
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:43 AM
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Well, my advice to you is to go to your Lawyer and return the car under the Trade Practices Act - Merchantible quality.

I am.

And feel free to email me if you want to join this action.

I have had the car 15 months and have to take it back every 5-6 weeks for oil. Please read my previous post.

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@a5cabmel, I certainly am considering going down that path! My car is in with Audi Services at this very moment. They said the Warning lights should stay on refardless so they are checking for a fault with that tol.
Will be interesting to see what their report will say!
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Hi All,

Well, I picked up my car on Thursday afternoon and the service rep said "it failed the test" Really???? He couldnít give me a report on the day of their findings, said that it wasn't on letterhead and would email it to me the next day. (Still havenít received it!).

Said the normal consumption was .5L per 1000km and mine was .96L per 1000km (almost double) and that the smoke bellowing out of my exhaust was related to the oil consumption issue.

Called on Friday to chase up my report and to cut a long, frustrating story short, they canít provide a report until the work has been completed - which they said would take 3-4weeks as they have to order the parts from Germany!!

I am a sales rep so explained that image is important to my clients and am sick of driving a car with smoke coming out the back of my brand new car, not to mention the embarrassment it causes to me on the road when fellow motorists stop me to advise that I have smoke coming out the back and to top it off, get pulled over by the Police for it too! Anyway, the service managers' response to that was something to the effect of "sorry, I canít give you a loan car, the car is safe to drive and the problems will be fixed after we finish with it, here's the Audi Customer Service number" and proceeds to give me their 'Road Side Assistance number!!!

Needless to say, I didn't get anywhere with them either as they can't 'force' the dealership to do anything but they will "stay with the case until it's resolved" (thanks for the company mate!), so called the Sales Manager yesterday who said he would get service to email me something with their findings from Thursday and would have to refer to Audi Australia about getting a loan car. Letís see how long this will take...

In the mean time, I will be writing all involved a letter asking for a replacement car and if I don't get a satisfactory response I will go to Fair Trading. Everyone is advising me to go to the media but I want to give them a chance first even tho I feel they are certainly not sympathetic at all and I have had it!!

I've paid almost $80K for a brand new car that has seen me at the service centre EVERY SINGLE MONTH WITHOUT FAIL, it's been on a Tow Truck after just 2000km as the spark plug fouled and has any other little things go wrong like a failing MMI screen in hot weather (had to stop the car, turn off ignition, wait 5 mins and the re-start in order for it to work again!), passanger side mirror popping out etc. That's not even getting into the amount of stress, embarrasment and inconvenience it's caused! Not what you would expect after buying a prestige vehicle is it??
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sounds like you need to go to another dealer. and if your car is smoking like crazy sounds like your piston rings are shot or your valve seals aren't sealing. the only oil issues i've seen with the new 2.0 is the pcv valve not working and it pressuring your engine causing oil to blow out past the oil fill cap.
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@ fastcompany, thanks so much for ur input I really appreciate it and would have been very helpful but at this point I'm beyond caring about the cause. I wrote a letter of complaint & sent registered post to the MD of Audi Aust. requesting a replacement & emailed a copy to customer service & sales & service managers. That was on Friday. On Saturday, the car started shaking while I was driving & the engine warning light came on!!! 'Infuriated' was an understatement!! As luck would have it, wasn't far from the dealer so called the Sales Manager, drove it there (very slowly). Was so close to loosing the plot in front of all the customers at the showroom but somehow managed to hold myself together & told him relatively calmly that i I don't want it back!!! The whole place stunk of whatever is coming out of the exhausts, hydrocarbon fumes. He gave me a loan car for the weekend & now will be showtime tomorrow... The service manager told me the car was safe to drive!! This has gone beyond ridiculous!! 2nd time I've broken down now (I haven't even done 8,000km yet) & if I was anywhere else, it would have been back on a tow truck! My streak continues, month 8 in a row of visiting the service centre. Enough is enough!
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Update... The pistons need to be replaced (still haven't received the report I was promised though!)
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