What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
#11
RE: What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
ORIGINAL: MauriSSio
are there any links to all these HIGH HP cars running the stock 9.5 comp ratioand stock shortblock?
are there any links to all these HIGH HP cars running the stock 9.5 comp ratioand stock shortblock?
#12
RE: What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
Surge can come into play with any turbo, the K03 is not exempt... Its not a usual happening, but under certain circumstances it is possible, however rare.
Browsing the web I haven't come across any K03 maps with boost plotted onto them, but I did come across similarly sized turbo, the VNT 15 found in diesel A4's, under certain conditions it runs pretty damn close to the edge of surge.
I found this on tdiclub.com, and this IS a stock turbo, so its not like somebody just threw some turbo on some car.
Browsing the web I haven't come across any K03 maps with boost plotted onto them, but I did come across similarly sized turbo, the VNT 15 found in diesel A4's, under certain conditions it runs pretty damn close to the edge of surge.
I found this on tdiclub.com, and this IS a stock turbo, so its not like somebody just threw some turbo on some car.
#13
RE: What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
the requsted is acually outside the surge line. That is kinda scary if you think about it. But the actual is on or within the line. Makes you wonder why they choose that turbo for the car if it doesnt quit meet the cars needs.
#14
RE: What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
Thats for a 4th gear WOT run from below 2000rpm i believe. How often are you straining an engine in 4th gear from almost idle? That plot was to show that it IS possible, most of the pulls the guy did were on the left of the chart. He did do some from a standard start from a stoplight, and i think maybe a highway pull.
#15
RE: What are the differences between k03 and k03s and k04 turbos?
ORIGINAL: MauriSSio
are there any links to all these HIGH HP cars running the stock 9.5 comp ratioand stock shortblock?
are there any links to all these HIGH HP cars running the stock 9.5 comp ratioand stock shortblock?
http://autos.yahoo.com/2006_audi_a3_2.0_t-specs/?p=eng
#16
K03-073 ?
Its all about the efficiency island.
You can make more boost even with the smallest of the K03 turbos, but it gets to a point, where you're making so much heat, it offsets the pressure.
Hot air is less dense air, so even though the pressure is higher, there isn't more air there.
Heres a random example of a map, you want to try to run your car so that your as close as you can to staying inside that island in the middle, this is where you're turbo is making the best use of the air flowing thru it.
Make sure you always stay away from that surge line, thats the point where you'll start doing damage to the turbo.
Surge is the situation when the compressor "spits out" more air than the engine can swallow, which causes a backup of air at the intake and it actually creates reverse-flowing pressure waves that can bedamaging to the turbo.
All that air pushing back thru the turbo can be equated to thowing a stick in the spokes of someones bicycle.
It stops/slows the spin very quickly, and thats a lot of stress.
So, with that said, the best way to go about choosing a turbo is with a little research.
What kind of power do you want the car to make, realistically, and to get that, what A/R ratio, and boost pressure you're gonna need to do that, so that you can keep your efficiency up.
Now, if your only choosing between a selection of turbos that were designed for similar 1.8T engines, just about all that work has been done for you,
these are turbos hand picked for the engine, so pretty much most of what i just said can be ignored, but its still good to know what exactly your turbo is doing.
You can make more boost even with the smallest of the K03 turbos, but it gets to a point, where you're making so much heat, it offsets the pressure.
Hot air is less dense air, so even though the pressure is higher, there isn't more air there.
Heres a random example of a map, you want to try to run your car so that your as close as you can to staying inside that island in the middle, this is where you're turbo is making the best use of the air flowing thru it.
Make sure you always stay away from that surge line, thats the point where you'll start doing damage to the turbo.
Surge is the situation when the compressor "spits out" more air than the engine can swallow, which causes a backup of air at the intake and it actually creates reverse-flowing pressure waves that can bedamaging to the turbo.
All that air pushing back thru the turbo can be equated to thowing a stick in the spokes of someones bicycle.
It stops/slows the spin very quickly, and thats a lot of stress.
So, with that said, the best way to go about choosing a turbo is with a little research.
What kind of power do you want the car to make, realistically, and to get that, what A/R ratio, and boost pressure you're gonna need to do that, so that you can keep your efficiency up.
Now, if your only choosing between a selection of turbos that were designed for similar 1.8T engines, just about all that work has been done for you,
these are turbos hand picked for the engine, so pretty much most of what i just said can be ignored, but its still good to know what exactly your turbo is doing.
I'm trying to learn the basics of 1.8T modification.
...The Turbo's in the Audi A4 "B6/B7" 1.8T ( 2001 - 2008 )
Over the years, they were equipped with the below 3 different KKK Turbo from factory depending on power output.
( The K04-015 was an upgrade that KKK offered for these cars. )
What can I expect for maximum boost pressure from each of these without entering the dangerous surge zone ?
* K03-005
Compressor Size: 36/50 mm.
Turbine Size: 36/45 mm.
* K03-029
Compressor Size: 36/50 mm.
Turbine Size: 40/45 mm.
* K03-073
Compressor Size: 38/51 mm.
Turbine Size: 40/45 mm.
* K04-015
Compressor Size: 38/51 mm.
Turbine Size: 42/46 mm.
All help is gratefully received !
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