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Old 01-31-2012, 04:28 PM
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Default What's the verdict? -Oil Consumption

I have been searching and reading all over this forum about Oil Consumption and there doesn't seem to be a clear cut verdict on what is normal and what is considered a problem.

I only ask because I burn about 1 quart every 3,000 miles (Currently have 28K). My dealer provides free fluid top-offs, so it's not a big deal for me money wise, but I wonder if this is really a normal thing.

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1 quart in 3000 miles is not too bad. I did see a post recently about a piston ring problem , not sure what models are affected. Another thing is to keep the oil as clean as possible. I usually recommend about every 5000 miles with approved synthetic.
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I completely agree with you!

The oil consumption is abnormal! As many cars as I have owned in my life I would not consider the consumption normal. ... not to mention what a pain in the **** it is to have to take it in for top-up.

Everyone seems to have some little rationale as to why it's normal, but as you say, no one is giving a clear concise answer.

Right now my dealer wants to do a consumption test on my 2010 A4 in order to apply the "kit" if necessary. I am absolutely not thrilled about my practically new car having pistons or rings etc (which I think is what is in the kit) and whatever other type of major engine part replaced.

We need to come together on this. The car seem perfect in every other way "so far" and Audi owes us a better peace of mind.
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honestly, this issue must affect very very few 2.0Ts. that said, subaru's are known to also burn oil.
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How can you say that the issue affects very few cars? Do you have the facts/#s on that?

Regardless, all of the postings I see for this issue are from owners who have pretty new A4s, including myself. I don't think it is acceptable that more than a handful (which would be lemons) should have this type of problem. Furthermore, 2 dealerships in my hometown acknowledge that Audi sees it as a problem. Also (Audi Engineering) would not have put so much effort into coming up with a kit/hotfix to address the problem.

I understand that the fix involves a crankcase valve replacement and software update. Speaking of which, is all well and good, but it is a MAJOR repair. What I want to know now is what Audi will do to re-assure me that the engine is good as new when it had to be taken apart by what is "supposed to be" a master technician. Are they going to Q/A the engine as they do @ the Factory. What if the technician is having a bad day? The more I think about it the more upset I am getting. I think I'll stop writing now!
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They are no longer re-ringing engines...

Offically they originally believe the machining process on some of the piston rings were not done properly.

The software update, The crank seal, and the breather seems to be the more serious fix. Its all designed to alter the internal vacuum of the system. I haven't seen a single return complaint after this was done. Its pretty straight forward repair too... there isn't any engine disassembly and only takes a few hours

The specification is 1200 miles per quart is normal. You cannot compare Audi to cars you used to own. But you want a piece of mind....?

GOOGLE
"BMW Oil Consumption"
"Mercedes Oil Consumption"
"Toyota Oil Consumption"
"Chevy Oil Consumption"

Every manufacturer has these problems. They don't make reliable motors like they used to because everything is done for Smog Credits and MPGs..... discounts and exemptions for better numbers.
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I was burning 1 qt of oil every 800 to 1000 miles and it failed the level 1 and 2 oil consumption tests. The dealer re-ring the pistons about 4 months ago, and I haven't got the low oil warning yet. It's been about 4000 miles since they re-ringed my engine and the oil level is about 50% on the display. Very happy that they did this. Otherwise I would have trade it in for a Bimmer.
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How can you say that the issue affects very few cars? Do you have the facts/#s on that?

Regardless, all of the postings I see for this issue are from owners who have pretty new A4s, including myself. I don't think it is acceptable that more than a handful (which would be lemons) should have this type of problem. Furthermore, 2 dealerships in my hometown acknowledge that Audi sees it as a problem. Also (Audi Engineering) would not have put so much effort into coming up with a kit/hotfix to address the problem.

I understand that the fix involves a crankcase valve replacement and software update. Speaking of which, is all well and good, but it is a MAJOR repair. What I want to know now is what Audi will do to re-assure me that the engine is good as new when it had to be taken apart by what is "supposed to be" a master technician. Are they going to Q/A the engine as they do @ the Factory. What if the technician is having a bad day? The more I think about it the more upset I am getting. I think I'll stop writing now!
I currently have a 2000 A4 1.8T with only 65K on the clock, runs like a champ and never burns a drop of oil...(12 year old car). Lately I was thinking of getting a 2009 A4.

...should I stay away from these new Audis? Is that what you're saying?

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How can you say that the issue affects very few cars? Do you have the facts/#s on that?
this same engine block has been used by VW/audi for the last 10 years or so. it has been used in the golf and a4. of course, the a4 has the added turbo to the engine. there are likely hundred of thousands of these engines out there, if not millions. to say that most consume oil would be elementary and i'm sure it would warrant a recall. you do know how recalls work, right? if the problem is widespread, there is a recall. lately, honda and toyota have been doing alot of them but that's another story.

why would some a4 piston rings be faulty? i would guess a bad batch of rings were made. either that or the PCV needs to be upgraded..or even both. a faulty PCV is also known to cause oil consumption. i've had the low oil light come on twice and both times were:
-with the old PCV
-end of the oil change interval
-during the summer with heavy acceleration-type driving
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Got the recommended factory work done on my 2010 A4 and waiting to see if this addresses the problem.

1.) Parts replaced.
2.) Software updated.

a.) Oil gauge went from 100% to 80% after a few days and holding.
b.) I'm going to be really upset if this doesn't address the problem.
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I recently purchased an '09 CPO Premium Plus with 36K miles. The dealer told me that Audi had instructed them to do the breather valve (not sure if this is right) along with an extensive software change. They are doing this for all of their customer with '09 2.0T engines. My car had a history of going about 3,000 miles before needing a quart of oil. The dealer said that it should now be closer to 5,000 miles. I've only gone about 500 miles since it was done and the oil is full, so we will see how it does further down the road.
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18k on ours, and I have yet to have any oil consumption issue.
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Default im consuming oil, but apparently i passed the test

I noticed oil consumption problems with my '10 a4 around 15k miles. I did the consumption test and they said my car passed.

I do seem to need to add 1 quart every 3k-5k miles.

This thread makes me want to do the consumption test again because my car seems to consume as much oil as those that have needed the repairs done.
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Default Oil Consumption

My wife's 2009 A4 just went over 30K miles and it was diagnosed as being severely out of parameters on the oil consumption test after I have been haranguing the service department for months about this issue. I was told by every service advisor at this dealership that typical oil usage is a quart every 3000 miles or so which I think is a bunch of crap as well. I know on her particular vehicle the oil consumption has been getting worse because I had been adding a quart every 2500-3000 miles but now it is up to a quart about every 1500 miles. The wife finished the test with only 1300 miles on the car but it was a quart down. The technician stated Audi will warrant the replacement of the piston rings utilizing the A3's rings due to better-improved clearance diameters-I thought the A3's engine was the same 2.0T so why would this model have different piston rings if it is the same engine? The technician was correct about Audi approving the engine work and the tear down will begin in a couple of weeks but I was told the dealership will only need the car for approximately three days. Seems awfully aggressive but what are the results from the new rings?
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my buddy and I both have the same car (2009 a4 2.0T) and had the same issue... We both got the oil consumption test done at the dealer, both cars failed and were qualified to perform the audi recommended service while still under warranty and after the software update and piston ring replacement, we both have no issues I went way over 3k miles my oil is still 100% on the screen. I think after about 5-6k i needed a quart but by that time I was due for an oil change anyway.
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my buddy and I both have the same car (2009 a4 2.0T) and had the same issue... We both got the oil consumption test done at the dealer, both cars failed and were qualified to perform the audi recommended service while still under warranty and after the software update and piston ring replacement, we both have no issues I went way over 3k miles my oil is still 100% on the screen. I think after about 5-6k i needed a quart but by that time I was due for an oil change anyway.
Thanks for the update-the wife's car goes in under the Technician's wrench on Wednesday and I am happy for that since it is down nearly a quart since we just picked it up from the conclusion of the test from last week.
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my buddy and I both have the same car (2009 a4 2.0T) and had the same issue... We both got the oil consumption test done at the dealer, both cars failed and were qualified to perform the audi recommended service while still under warranty and after the software update and piston ring replacement, we both have no issues I went way over 3k miles my oil is still 100% on the screen. I think after about 5-6k i needed a quart but by that time I was due for an oil change anyway.
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I was all excited about my 2009 A4 prestige. Loved the look. Almost immediately I noticed that it went through some oil. I had traded in my BMW 328 for the A4 so comparing oil consumption was pretty easy. I put 30-35K miles a year so I expect some oil consumption but at 80,000 I was putting a quart in for every ~860 miles. They did some "fix" that I paid $700 for that didnt work. I had purchased the extended warranty that didnt do jack-sh&*t. When they told me that I had to pay around $5400 to replace the rings I filled the thing up with oil, visited the neighborhood BMW and traded the frickn thing in for a new 328. Having to travel with a case of oil in the trunk is no way to travel.
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Heading to a new dealer.

Had the Audi recommended service done including the software update by Atlanta Audi dealer. Approaching 3000K miles since and oil gauge is down by ~ 80%. Seems to still be a problem.


@farrieta previous post, I hear ya.

This is Bull Crap! Shame on Audi!
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18k on ours, and I have yet to have any oil consumption issue.
Did I speak too soon? Driving home from baseball game last night and the light went off. Checked the oil level this morning on the computer and it wants me to add up to a quart of oil.

Of course, we did take the car on a 1500 mile road trip a month ago - but I'm still 500 miles away from my normal 5,000 mile oil change.

Guess I'll be calling the dealer this morning to arrange to have this checked out and get topped off.



Update: Called the dealer this afternoon. They said, "We do complimentary top-offs for oil... but you have to buy the oil." - Rockville Audi, Rockville, MD

Doesn't seem so complimentary then does it? Oh well, guess I'll go swing by the parts store and buy a quart to get me buy until next Saturday. Scheduled an oil consumption test to go along with my 20,000 mile oil change, etc.
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