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Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/10/2005 11:16:04 AM

csr

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Hi,

I've been having an on-going battle with my 1990 2.3L normally-aspirated 100.

The first symptom was a low idle when engine warm. After about 15 minutes of driving, engine would try to idle around 400 and subsequently stall at every stopsign. Tried cleaning out the ISV...no change.

Noticed that the Multi-Function T Sensor wasn't working (dash gauge showing 0) so I replaced that. The dash gauge now works.

Now, the low idle still happens (but rarely) but a new symptom has been added... when cold, the engine surges, idle going up and down for the first 5 min of driving.

3rd symptom--and this is the most frustrating--if the car is warmed up, and I forget to hold the revs up manually while at a stoplight... it may stall, and once it does it absolutely WILL NOT start unless I let it sit for about 15 minutes. It cranks, but seems to not want to catch. After 15 minutes of not trying, I can start it with little difficulty at all.

The funky idle problems / occaisional surging might point to a defective ISV... but this last thing--not being able to restart after a stall...I just don't get it.

Anyone have any ideas?

(thanks in advance)

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/10/2005 1:27:29 PM

techbod

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MAF sensor

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/10/2005 6:17:17 PM

techbod

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also check the seal on the dip stick it effects pressure loss in the engine hence loss of idle or start up.

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/10/2005 7:20:40 PM

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I think that you have a big vacuum leak somewhere! I had a similar problem on my 1991 100Q a hard start and idle so low that I had to keep my foot on the gas and brake when stoped! When I checked under the hood I found not one, not two, but three hoses that have worked loose. Check for loose hoses, bellows between the mass air flow sensor and manifold, especially pay attention to the plastic/nylon hoses they have a tendency to break. Rubber ones just disintegrate and if you still have any covered with cloth get rid of them.

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 12:47:41 PM

csr

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Thanks for the ideas... I haven't seen any obvious leaking hoses, but I'll have to do a little more hunting around. If it were a vacuum leak, wouldn't it be more consistent though? The low idle condition only happens when the engine is warm, and even then not everyday. Last night when I was driving the idle was consistently hight at around 1200. This morning it was surging up and down.

Left foot braking does get tiring sometimes, lol.

Can anyone describe where the MAF sensor is on this engine? I couldn't seem to find it in the book i have (my book is actually for a 5K, but much of the stuff is the same).

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 4:01:26 PM

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VAF sensor on your car sorry mate

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 4:06:44 PM

techbod

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don't know if you can read that, if not I could use macro to take a picture

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 4:23:47 PM

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just thought to try macro out

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 4:28:06 PM

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mucho better im getting there, new to camera

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/11/2005 7:52:25 PM

0fframp

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Interesting looking manual doesn’t look anything like my US R. Bentley!

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/12/2005 3:25:08 AM

techbod

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its old auto-data manuals up to year 2000, I bought a stack of them off snap on van "second hand stuff" worth every penny, always worth asking the bloke who does the rounds in the snap on van when small garages go bust they often buy the stuff off them for resale

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/12/2005 3:38:02 AM

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autodata is the one used in the UK where as Bentley is used in the US, autodata covers all makes of cars I don't know about Bentley as I have never seen them over here though they sound quite good I must ask the snapon guy I'm interested in stuff like that

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 11/12/2005 5:24:01 AM

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no deals

ah well your loss

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 2/19/2007 10:06:29 PM

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Alot of the problems you are having I have been having also...I have replaced alot of parts and at least now it starts...but is still un-drivable....I have been reading as many of the posts as I can so I can see what is going on with mine...It is an 86 5000 Turbo Quattro Wagon it has been out here in the Nevada desert and so there are alot of things that have needed replacement...But while reading your post and the replies I have more things to look at on mine If I find any thing that brings mine back to being the great car it was I will forward it to you also...THanks

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RE: Idle problems and won't restart after stall - 6/23/2007 6:11:20 AM

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Have you had the fuel-injection distributor checked out? I had similar problem with my '86 100CD 2.2....the injection distrubutor was malfunctioning and causing those constant-flow injectors to absolutely flood the engine. In the end it just stalled,would'nt start,and the oil in the sump was full of fuel.Had to have the injection distributor rebuilt. Try checking if your sump-oil level is overfull and/or smells of fuel.

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