RE: Super charger
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Super charger
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(last vote on : 4/10/2008 9:58:13 PM)
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RE: Super charger - 1/24/2006 2:23:41 PM
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kakarot
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well did some calculating and thats what I got:
on 2.8L 11.6psi 8psi 5psi
on 3.0L 10psi 6.6psi 3.8psi
on 3.2L 8.2psi 5.3psi 2.6psi
and the kit levels on simulator will be :350HP, 300HP, 262HP. thats on 2.8 is increase of 100%, 70%, 50%. also do not forget Intercooler thats extra plus. and thats at 7000RPM.
well the basics: there is 3 values, high, norm, low.
well I can also make it more speeds but I see no point of that, maybe 4 speeds that be high, norm, low, lowerer. but again no point of that.
and again, the speeds can be higher. and I believe safely at 7000RPM would be 19.5psi that would be 450HP.
and do not forget that usually the top point is at 5500 RPM and with SC it will move further, so lets guess that it would be at 6000RPM then the boost can go high as 25psi and that would bring the SC same 450HP.
and the kit will suport the cryon system, BUT not Nitro, I do not want to burn holes in engine. However If you want to put nitro then be my guess.
Well try making that numbers on PES kit without burning the SC out.
HEhehehehhehehehehehhehe.
I think the RS4/6 will have a compatition from its lower budies.
Thanks to killervenom, now engines can be rebuilded and would be able to run more boost. and initialize full potential of the future kit.
on the note of boost, the kit will suport the propane and CNG, and you would be able to run more boost on stock.
if you have no idea what da hell is propane and CNG I will tell you.:: propane is high octane fuel, the octane value of it is around 110, and CNG is same but diferent its value is 130octane. they are like race fuel but instead of the liquid form they are inserted into engine in the gas form. the advantage of this is that it blends better with air making the AF mix way more stable and presice. On the chemical baiscs, propane has 3 carbon and 8 hydrogen molecules, the CNG has 1 carbon and 4 hydrogen molecues. the Ethane or the stuff they add to the gasoline to make it race fuel has 2 carbon and 6 hydrogen, and thats puts it in the midle of Propane and CNG. however gasoline molecule is around 7 or 8 carbon and 16 or 18 hydrogens.
basicly it ends up to cleaner burn, less polution, long life, less heat, high octane. But what we want is high octane. so that we could run a lot of boost. well see this, the CNG neads to have compresion ration of 15:1 and propane needs 13.5:1. our engines is 10.5:1 that makes a lot of room for mistake or flukes in tuning, less detanation or knoking, less heat and that makes you not to burn your engine through.
Oh the main disadvantage, the tank is presurised to cary this fuels, and the eficiency of the volume to the MPG is not as good as gasolines, that means instead of having 16galons of fuel you can have only 8 galons on CNG and 14Galons on propane. and tanks are heavy. imagine having 50KG bag of potatoes in your trunk all the time. so its only for people who willing. ah another disadvantage if runing the kit right without going too reach the propane looses about 5% power and CNG about 7-10% of total power. and they are reinstated with the boost.
The kit will alow you to run two fuels one or another so that if you run out of one you use another. and thats another advantage.
More coming soon.......
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RE: Super charger - 1/28/2006 12:47:29 PM
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vnv727
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hey kakarot regents??? mathb ?? you live in ny right and the name is that DBZ?? anywho it sounds like your a bright kid why no pre calc or calc or even ap calc etc...math b is 11th grade isnt it??? or tenth if honors i believe at least in my school
good luck with college and the kit
peace out
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RE: Super charger - 1/28/2006 2:08:43 PM
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kakarot
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Dude, I took it to just get advance regents deploma. I finished AP calculus when I was a junior. I just never before took it before calculus. and thanks to physics, I know some crap of air, liquid denamics. and power transfering loses are some.
and Yes KAKAROT is from DBZ I'm a big fan of that type of a cartoon. where is kiling, blood, superpowers......., like new cartoon Naruto. And I'm fan of SG1, SGA, Batelstar Galactica, Star treck and ofcouse Star wars.
Anywho, I finishing school at well day after tomorow. And SAT was crappy, math easi, at english I was runing out of time a bit. and the Essay was as easy as hell, like for 9th grade.
any way soon I will need people with diferent type of engine to be my giny pigs, becouse of diferent style of the head, the fan (some models is powered by belt the half), and the AC.
It may be required to lose the fan powered by belt.
I really dont know if I should post pictures of it before it comes out. so I will hold them a bit more. or not.
the whole system is almost complit, in virtual reality. NOT TO SCALE. and the hard part comes, parts. and the actual price, and tuning which I will do scientificaly.
But besicaly the kit will include evrything to be instaled like plug & play. But the thing is it will have to be instaled from the bottom. which is kind of dirty.
What I will requre from you as a coustomer: the code of the engine, what heads you have 12V or 30V, displacement, and what level of output you planing(realistic). and maybe some more.
the options whould be, Pigyback, Intercooler, repair kit, clutch update, ATF update, injectors, pistons, etc...
The work you will have to do: Instalation (duh), people neer me would just come to me and I will instal, but that person will have to buy me deaner.
the tube cuting, the tubes for air will have to be cuted under your requirnments, for each model diferntly.
and maybe some more simple stuff.
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RE: Super charger - 2/5/2006 2:32:31 PM
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kakarot
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Well, I thought about the kit again, and came up with a problem, mostly asociated with space. Unless coustomer wana lose the AC and gain the sleak sleeper, the kit is discontinued. However coustomer if wana can get it, when I'm finished, he can use 60 AC= windows down and going more that 60MPH.
New thing: The kit is continued in development, still will have all the same options and numbers, but now its gona be placed on top. BUT its not gona be made like PES kit where SC sits right on top of the manifold, couse it would be called stiling. The kit still would be able to switch speeds, use Crayon, have IC. But now there is no worry of drowning.
The kit still gona use the M90. There is another place where I might be able to squase the whole contraption.
This is what it could have been if no space was a problem.
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RE: Super charger - 2/8/2006 3:52:12 PM
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killervenom
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I'd personally would rather not lose my a/c. Also i love the idea of the s/c on top of the motor, and stealing would be to buy his and copy the exact manifold and use a m62, all you have to do is design the adapter plate differently and not to mention you have a m90 so that would make the kit completely different anyways. a cool thing to do is laser etch the adapter plate with the your company logo or Supercharged, or even just M90. just a few ideas
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RE: Super charger - 2/8/2006 5:35:24 PM
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kakarot
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If to use PES like manifold and adapt it to the M90, then the way to change the boost would be to change pulles. do you really want to do that.
And it would be easier just to take the whole manifold out with the bottom part and put SC there, but its still expensive becouse of coustom work.
and yes I do not want to lose AC, here in NY it becomes hot sometimes and I sweat really nasty. and besides I already charged my AC about 75% so no way I'm gona tough it.
my new idea is diferent. The PES kit that is on top of the motor is expensive, couse coustom manifold. so no, i'm not gona do like them.
my idea is to be on the side of the engine, its lower and M90 will definatly fit.
The In and Out IC tubes will run just benith it so it actually cute, the huge cone filter including MAF sensor would be instead the airbox. I will try to make a dummy kit soon, as soon it becomes warm oustise, so lets wait and see.
The diference: M90 is the same length as M62 SC however M90 is a bit wider and higher, not by much.
The base Idea of my kit would be: power on the buck. You will get as much power as I can provide for as little as I can to sell. cheap. Imagine having N02 bottle in your car and be able to use it all the time and unlimited quantaty. Ye sound good, well thats what I'm trying to do.
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RE: Super charger - 2/16/2006 9:09:40 PM
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kakarot
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ooohhhhhhhhhhh, staying home makes it a bit longer, however I will do it up to scale.
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RE: Super charger - 2/18/2006 11:11:58 PM
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kakarot
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Okey I think I found all the places for the parts and their construction, now gona draw it.
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RE: Super charger - 3/1/2006 2:41:13 PM
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kakarot
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Cool, new development, I came to the point where I would be able to split the system into two.
I have decided I would develop and sell two types of variators.
The STandart would be 3 level system as I wrote before.
But the advance would be a continuees where Boost can be set preciesly by pushing a button. It will have more boost or less boost.
The advance systme is trually advance, it has longer life and probably easier to service.
so what do you think?
ah both of them have a little weak point, but for ~10buks the systm would be able to be back online.
service:
oil check whenever you change oil or check it.
variator service, when it dies or I think 50K miles with dayly driving and floring at least ones a day at moderate boost == 1h and ~10buks + s/h
for best long life change oil in the SC by the manufacturer specs. I think it 30K or 60K miles, Need to find that too.
Of as an extra, the SC will have a looking glass where you would be able to check oil whthout a problem. Need a glass company, soon to be.
I will provide free matrixes, but you will have to buy piggyback or Stand alone EFI.
I will try to make contacs with perfect power or stuff and get good cheap stuff.
I think SMT6 is 100 or 200 buks and SMT7 is like 200 or 300 buks or so.
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