RE: Super charger
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RE: Super charger - 4/16/2006 8:22:31 PM
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kakarot
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i have mailed a letter to whoophle or something let see what they can offer.
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RE: Super charger - 4/17/2006 2:19:12 PM
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killervenom
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i believe its whipple, are you inquiring about just the w75 or both w75 and w100. I would think it would/could be wise to have options but for starters i guess just feel out the smaller one and see what it brings to the table power wise. I think these twin screw s/c are more effecient and better priced. Did u email them or write a paper letter to mail them? Email response would be faster but writing a professional letter would get you noticed on a more serious level i would think, anyway blah blah blah i know. Is this s/c gonna change your plans of were to stuff it or how it will operate?
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RE: Super charger - 4/17/2006 10:00:18 PM
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kakarot
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after reading lots and lots of junk mail, all is needed is an idae to put on paper. The format is all the same, I use left style.
I wrote them a letter couse its much easier and looks and feels more profesional.
I inquarry for both SC's. the placment and all other options are the same.
but becouse it is much simplier design.
here is some comparison Eaton VS Whipple,
the W75 has about 3 turns, eaton has 1. 3 turns make more noise.
eaton uses a styilish inatke and outake that are bigger that whipple.
the whiiphle is more simple like squar intake and exaust.
W75 is 1.2L and 20,000 RMP M90 is 1.5L and 16,000RPM and M62 is 1.0L and 16,000RPM (MAX).
the W75 will provide the range that I look and W100 is a true overkill.
the pully is much simplier conector,
eaton uses a pin like system, which is much harder and stronger and produces less problems with balance,
whiplle uses 6 screw conector which much easier in my app, but can produce more problems with balance.
Please understand the Eficiency, the eaton is max efficiency is like 95% or so but W75 is 81%.
Efficiency is the proportion of how much power it takes to potential output.
the eaton is supirior, meaning it takes less power to push same amount of air.
What I can't see on there web site is readable blue print. there schematic is so bad quality so that I need better picture.
conclusion, the quality lies in Eaton, however in my app the simplicity takes a leap. so whiple has more votes for.
other:
to write a simple letter like this:
firts write your nake and adress.
second write address to whom
thirt write "To whom it may concern" or "Dear 'Ninkampup' "
forth wtite a short reason why they should read the rest and nothing like this "Read the rest or I will come and rip the spine and stick it up your @$$"
fives write the main and describtion in full
six write the points that you want and contact info
seven write "sincerly," ans scip 4 rows
eight write your name
nine sign in the space provided
easy peazy lemon squizy
with some practice anyone can do it.
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RE: Super charger - 4/19/2006 1:45:31 PM
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killervenom
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i'm liking the sounds of it. Even though the eaton may be slightly more effecient the whipple has the ability to push more cfm, and has the ability for a much bigger rpm range 20,000 rpms means you can stay in the most effecient rpm range or just got to the top for a balls to the wall performance gain. The square desings should be a blessing for any kind of fabricating work, and hopefully the price will be right on to. are you planning on making the whole kit by hand or are you gonna draw up pieces and take it to a fab shop? anyway this is a great step forward.
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RE: Super charger - 4/20/2006 5:20:03 PM
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killervenom
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admin@tjmmotorsport.com these people might now a little more about the internals we need for any audi engine they are part of http://www.audituning-usa.com/ which is Dahlback Racing USA. they have quite the rep. if you/ we need anthing else, or maybe even some helpful/useful info on our motors. Just figured i'd let you know.
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RE: Super charger - 4/20/2006 9:16:38 PM
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kakarot
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actually, the W75 with its range is like M90 look I show you
the M90 pushes 1.5L/rev and at 16000 Rev
meaning 24000L
the W75 is 1.2L/rev and at 20000Rev
meaning 24000L
see they exactly the same
the W75 just goes faster.
the Stock ber bone V6 can hold max of 9PSI without blowing up.
with lower Compresion it can go even higher, OR
bear with me
alternative fuel like Propane, CNG, Alcholol, race fuel some.
I prefer Propane, 110-115octane RON. and USA is 105-110.
Chaep and reliable
also almost equal to the fuel tank capacity and can run so lean so lean 18:1 and still work well without detanation or burning any stuff. and keeping fresh air around.
its very clean, No carbon whats so ever. my dad was runing on one for over 10 years. engine was sparklin clean and no burn, exaust was white, not the gas but in the tube. spark plugs where so clean, not even funny. Consider it.
I give the whaphles a call in a week. if they dont answer my letter.
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RE: Super charger - 4/29/2006 10:58:44 AM
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kakarot
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Okey I just got couple of ideas, But no call, Next Week, I simply call or email.
I estimate to produce one It take me like 5 days to do all.
or like 20 in a batch in 5 days.
this sucks. I want to do faster, I might have to get my self a warker. or at least a welder.
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RE: Super charger - 4/30/2006 8:01:50 PM
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kakarot
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Whoo, ho, from other post, it came back,
WATER INJECTION
its as easy as going to the bathroom, and very similar.
I probably gona do one for my stock car and see how it goes.
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RE: Super charger - 5/2/2006 10:20:35 PM
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kakarot
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What will be included in Bare bone kit, or basic:
SC,
Variator,
Tubes pre made, but will need to be cut for each diferent model. So A8, A6, and A4 all 2.8 12V same kit will go.
All mounting,
two way button,
Boost gauge (I think I will include with A pilar)
spark plugs (iradium, gap like instaead 44 be like 30-25)
Instruction/Video(maybe).
fuel and ignition map,
Optional:
Cryoun system or Nitro system,
Water injection,
IC Air to Air,
High boost pulleys,
Pigy back,
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RE: Super charger - 5/3/2006 7:27:22 PM
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killervenom
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sounding pretty good its gona be a while until you get to the 3.0L 30v system though, right? all tubes, mounting hardware, ect.,ect. will have to be made for each style engine bay but this is progress in the right direction. do you need some photos to help with an 02 a4 3.0l 30v quattro 6-speed? i have a good camera so i can take some pics any time. when do you suppose you'll start the prototype build and testing?
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RE: Super charger - 5/3/2006 9:19:33 PM
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kakarot
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ye thanks, can I have couple, posible without the plastic cover/shild. around the pesanger side.
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RE: Super charger - 5/26/2006 9:38:43 PM
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Half way there, soon my bably will burn some rubber like she suppose to do.
also I'm becoming hungry for some ricers.
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RE: Super charger - 6/18/2006 11:39:16 AM
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okey dudes, I came to the point of thinking of tuning.
Becouse it sucks were the ECU is, it is very hard to piggy back, so I will try to think of a way, actually calculate.
but I cannt find one thing I need to know, thats what are the flow at what psi are the stock injectors.
people who knows, this would help.
I repeat,
flow of injectors????
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RE: Super charger - 9/6/2006 5:47:10 PM
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http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2102163612
i know, i know but i finally got some pics for ya. how's the prototype going? you got it mocked up in your car yet mounting?, belts? come on we wanna hear an update.... actually we wanna "SEE" an update. pics are worth a thousand words
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RE: Super charger - 9/6/2006 8:38:33 PM
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kakarot
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Cool, basically same desighn as in my car, but has more space. Thats even better.
I have sketches, that look kind da wierd. but I do have a moke up from carboard, how ever the Whiphle does not have W75 yet. just promises so I cant reaally make one from sheeat metal.
So I just sit tight and wait.
I already selected the belt but still final be from the SC it self, some idle pullies.
Basically nothing has to be mover or drilled, just some parts removed like air box. most of the stuff stays in place as they are.
in the end, the only way to tune the car is with piggy back, that be cost efficient.
it uses also Intercooler to prevent detonation and create much more power. I think I found a good way but I dont know yet so I wait a bit with that too. I might implament "Sub Zero" Cooling in it, but that could lead to more air leaks that might be accepected. So again We wait with that too.
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RE: Super charger - 9/18/2006 9:30:32 PM
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once you start getting really serious and begin making parts you might want to think about getting some patents. p.s. whats the time frame your looking at for yours to be done a month 2,3,4 ?? Did whipple give you a date for when they are going to ship you a supercharger??
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RE: Super charger - 9/19/2006 8:30:37 AM
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kakarot
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I was thinking about patents. Dont know yet if I get any.
and Whipple did not give me any time frame, they said its not ready yet, and thats it.
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RE: Super charger - 11/3/2006 11:32:18 AM
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I second the hurrying up...but don't hurry too fast, cause then I won't be able to afford it when you sell...or if you put one aside...then that will work too...haha
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RE: Super charger - 11/8/2006 6:10:34 PM
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hey kak i got a question what is it that blows the eninge say a 5psi pushing say 1000cfm or a 25 psi blowing like 500cfm, i guess what im asking is is it the cfm cramed in there or the psi cramed in there that blows the engine up if both what would the limits be for a n/a engine i know you cant tell me exactally be any thing would be nice. thanks
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RE: Super charger - 11/9/2006 1:39:45 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: killervenom
hey kak i got a question what is it that blows the eninge say a 5psi pushing say 1000cfm or a 25 psi blowing like 500cfm, i guess what im asking is is it the cfm cramed in there or the psi cramed in there that blows the engine up if both what would the limits be for a n/a engine i know you cant tell me exactally be any thing would be nice. thanks
Short answer:
The limit is the strength of the components. Whatever Audi designed them to handle is what they will handle. This number I don't know.
A longer answer:
CFM = volume/time
engine size = volume
rpm = 1/time
CFM = volume x rpm : i have left out all the conversions. Once you know how much CFM you need then you multiply that by the PSI to get a mass. The more air mass you have the more fuel mass you will have. After ignition that large mass of stuff will create a larger more forceful explosion. This force is what moves the piston. The limit is what force the piston can handle. Lucky for us Audi dosen't design them to run at its maximum. This is what the S/C takes advantage of.
sorry i don't know any numbers.
The compression ratio of the piston also limits how much boost you can add. Say after all the math you find you need 200psi of air at ignition. Stock pistons are say 10:1 ration (made up #). You then would want 20psi of intake air. Since ambient air is at 14psi you would want to run 6psi of boost.
Also note that the PSI of air in the intake manifold will add stress to the seals, valves, and the blower itself. Then you have to consider the piston will compress the air further.
If that dosen't help just PM me and I can explain it better. Right now I need to sleep.
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RE: Super charger - 11/9/2006 1:16:30 PM
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kakarot
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I plan to start off at about 2 psi just to see how everthyng works together. then move up. up to 10 psi which audi can support w/intercoolling. In any case, you can do about 325 to 350 HP but thats a border line with pump gas.
the CFM dipends on the displacment of the engine, boost and RPM.
I do not go into the CFM, I just keep around boost and RPM.
the CFM can show you how much potential power can be produced.
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RE: Super charger - 11/9/2006 2:29:28 PM
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So the 2 psi is to check for leaks and make sure it's going where it's supposed to?
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