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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/21/2007 12:30:30 AM

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I'm just looking for opinions on this one.. Think there would be a dif if before you went to the track you filled the tank up with Ice.. so instead of injecting water that is as hot as the engine bay you are injecting water that is prob closer to around 40 degrees??? I mean wouldn't hurt to try either way and i'll prob end up doing it.. just wanted to see what everyone thought

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/21/2007 12:47:39 AM

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No, a meth/water injection uses methynol to cool the intake charge. Good washer fluid feels cold on the skin and does the same thing to the intake and helps with the combustion. Boost cooler setups (with an ice box) are usually only used with liquid to air intercoolers.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/21/2007 1:32:39 PM

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/21/2007 2:13:37 PM

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keep the tank in the trunk

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 3/20/2007 11:12:22 PM

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If I have a K04, Borla exhaust, and chip and I run Water/Alc injection can I also use a boost controller? I know people say just get a good chip and forget the controller but if the water/alc injection lets me run higher boost safely, why not? can I run the 2 together? Just to bring the boost up a few PSi when i needed it like track day or something.. any thoughts?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 3/20/2007 11:20:46 PM

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what you can do is get a chip for your ko4. run the meth or alky what ever you prefer and on track days you can turn the boost up a bit more. but i would be best to have a tune for the alky and more boost

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 3/21/2007 12:43:27 AM

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No, a meth/water injection uses methynol to cool the intake charge. Good washer fluid feels cold on the skin and does the same thing to the intake and helps with the combustion. Boost cooler setups (with an ice box) are usually only used with liquid to air intercoolers.

It gives a higher octane and helps prevent the water from freezing as well...

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 3/21/2007 2:25:00 AM

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prevents detonation at higher boost levels

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 4/13/2007 11:42:22 PM

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anyone get this put in yet? How do you like it if so?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 9:53:54 PM

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Ok, I know this thread is a little old but there is a lot of good info on this.

My question is this:
I am going K04 and want to run the PC-16 file but I do not have a FMIC. Would the injection kit work this well with the stock SMIC? Also how long, on average, does a tank of this last? And can I run windshield washer fluid instead of the pre-mixed stuff? Thanks.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 9:54:09 PM

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Double Post.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:23:35 PM

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I didnt use it in a Audi but i used it in two of my evos. I was using a SMC kit. I made about 420whp on the stock turbo with it (with all other supporting mods). I later switched to a GT3082r and made over 500whp running 100% meth on 93 pump. I later put a Gt3582r on the car and and only ran C16 and got rid of the meth kit and made over 600whp. I was very happy with the meth, it was great for trying to make alot of power on pump gas.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:24:48 PM

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quote:

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Ok, I know this thread is a little old but there is a lot of good info on this.

My question is this:
I am going K04 and want to run the PC-16 file but I do not have a FMIC. Would the injection kit work this well with the stock SMIC? Also how long, on average, does a tank of this last? And can I run windshield washer fluid instead of the pre-mixed stuff? Thanks.

Josh

I would run 100% meth or a 50/50 mix of meth and water. The meth will cool your AIT's alot.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:27:33 PM

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So don't use the windshield washer fluid like some people were doing above? Also how long did it last tank wise?

Josh

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:32:49 PM

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So don't use the windshield washer fluid like some people were doing above? Also how long did it last tank wise?

Josh

i woulnt use it, its mostly water. My kit i was running used a 1 gallon tank and it lasted me a long time, but i also didnt beat on my car much. It really depends on how you drive. If your not in boost the meth is not spraying, so if you drive normal alot you wont go threw it fast. if your always in boost then it will go pretty quick.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:33:07 PM

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So don't use the windshield washer fluid like some people were doing above? Also how long did it last tank wise?

Josh

WW fluid are 30-50 meth. Its cheap and easy to use. Most use the ww res and it last a little more than a tank full, but that depends on how much is injected and how often its used (meaning long highway trip vs spirited canyon driving)

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:38:27 PM

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Ok, cool... I think I might get this instead of a FMIC. IT's a LOT easier to install to! I don't have to build brackets and all that fun stuff either. That will be on my list of things to get in a bit.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:39:47 PM

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So don't use the windshield washer fluid like some people were doing above? Also how long did it last tank wise?

Josh

WW fluid are 30-50 meth. Its cheap and easy to use. Most use the ww res and it last a little more than a tank full, but that depends on how much is injected and how often its used (meaning long highway trip vs spirited canyon driving)

I really dont think it even has that much meth in it. If you want to make power and have the best cooling then i would use 100%, your could also use denatured alcohol but its kind of expensive. Just make sure whatever kit you use you can run 100% meth with, alot of kits want to you run a 50/50 mix with meth and water because meth is corrosive to alot of metals.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:40:54 PM

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if you run a 50/50 mix try to use distilled water and not tap water. What kits were you looking at?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 10:50:19 PM

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-20 degree WW fluid is like 25% meth IIRC.. of coarse use distilled water.

and yes, this will be perfectly fine with stock smic and PC-16. just make sure your kit has a fail safe(use the stock WW resivoir to let you know when you are low). but this ALONG with a good Ebay fmic would work best.

FWIW, i know an APR stage 3 guy running a meth kit with stock smic. his car runs strong

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 11:07:56 PM

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I know who your talking about, just forget his vortex sn

The only problem is that the stock smic has like a 2psi drop and is restrictive. If he upgraded to a differnt smic he should gain a psi or 2 back and have better results.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 9/12/2007 11:28:32 PM

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right, the stock SMIC is a little peice of sh!t. mine is sitting in my shed and i would never even give it away because no one should ever be cursed enough to have this little peice of sh!t on their car..

but if you can't afford a good FMIC or SMIC, then meth will do the trick.. to a point that is

oh, and his screen name on audi zine is "Tlfun"

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 12/6/2007 10:31:24 PM

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any updates with anyone puttin water/meth injection on? Results..

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 12/14/2007 2:06:25 PM

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lol i guess this thread has been around forever but i am thinking about getting a PES Supercharger by the summer and i know the 2.8L has a high compression ratio and high boost levels for it are dangerous. why does water/meth help you run a higher PSI 'safer'. Think i can do it with the PES?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/9/2008 10:19:10 PM

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i just ordered mine w/m kit off ebay, i'll update when its on

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