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Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 7:28:42 PM

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Any info or anyone run this system in their cars? Thinking about trying it out but I am doing my research first. I was told it will help my car run better and safer because of the extra boost I am running.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 9:00:41 PM

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I have been thinking about doing it to my car more and more, but I am going to wait until I have a bigger turbo. I think you will find much better results with a K04 P-16 then add alcohol injection.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 9:18:07 PM

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you dont need it yet. it might help out a bit but there are way more things you should do before that

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 9:39:52 PM

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yea no way you need that with the mods you have

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 9:56:01 PM

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Any info or anyone run this system in their cars? Thinking about trying it out but I am doing my research first. I was told it will help my car run better and safer because of the extra boost I am running.

yeah, you wouldn't need that mod yet. I had an aquamist system on my 300ZX Turbo only because I was boosting around 28-29 PSI from a T-66. It was a water/methanol injection which was much needed due to the amount of boost and heat that comes with it.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 10:13:47 PM

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i was boosting 40psi out of my t3t4 with no meh/water

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 10:33:08 PM

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yeah, but what size motor? In a small motor, a I4, you can create alot of boost pressure with a t3/t4 because there's not much to fill. Most people use a t3/4 hybrid as their upgrade in a larger motor, say a V6 or even V8. In my V6, 3.0L is alot more and would require a more massive turbo, and a lot more spinning which would equal alot more heat.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 10:45:07 PM

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Well I already have a kit from snow performance and im going to run it with my Ko4 when i get my FMIC in with the injectors and pc-16. Im still expecting atleast a 20p gain at the wheels with the ko4, seen over 60hp gains with my budies Turbo Regal running only 20psi at the dyno, its free power and its good for the motor as long as you keep it simple... seen some dyno's with a 01 s4 that gained 38hp at the wheels with stock ko3's and a GIAC chip...

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 7/24/2006 11:05:24 PM

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anyone got some good links to some kits they would suggest?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/16/2007 3:45:29 PM

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bit of an old thread but I figured I would start it up again instead of making a new one... I'm looking at this kit

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/universal-progressive-alcohol-injection-kit-p-12.html

seems pretty good to me overall..

Here is some info on my car you tell me if i'm planning this right..
1999.5 1.8T quattro 5spd
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~and i might look for an air filter upgrade.. i wanna keep my stock box just something better (non k&n)

NEXT UPGRADES IN ORDER:
1)turbo timer w/ boost gauge
2)FMIC
3)GIAC pc-16 chip w/injectors
4)water injection
5)maybe a high flow cat and then i'm done..

shootin for close to 300hp.. thoughts

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/16/2007 3:59:02 PM

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Im still debating whether i want an air cooled fmic or water cooled. I had an idea of using a washer reservoir filled with alcohol or antifreeze piped to the fmic with a small water pump running it. The space where the smic seemed like a good place for the reservoir so why not use it.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/16/2007 4:02:06 PM

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yea i was thinkin about the same spot.. easy to work with the bumper off.. I guess what i'm looking for is if anyone has done this.. I've been googleing it and such and i'm seeing an ave of 30hp gain.. some saying 40+ not bad at all for $300 and a few hours of my time to install. So has anyone done this and what have u seen?

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/16/2007 11:33:06 PM

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im gettin my alky injection in a few days
http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=8

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 1:56:56 AM

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I have had alchol injection over the last few nights. (me not the car) unfortunatly, the car is going to have to wait!
I like the mist, it looks pretty cool to me, since its only 3-400.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 1:37:38 PM

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awesome.. yea i was lookin at all the other ones aquamist and snowperformance but i like devil's own.. they have a warrenty, its the same thing, plus a forum on the main page not to mention $100 cheaper.. aka $100 toward a diy fmic. LET ME KNOW WHAT PERFORMANCE DIF. YOU FEEL!!! I'm really excited to put it in my car

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 3:45:07 PM

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Do some research online... Water injection (or a methanol mix is preferred) is a really good idea for any car. It keeps deposits from forming, cleans any previous deposits (from the valves, pistons, etc) and allows your engine to run more efficiently.

The water and methanol is sprayed in a fine mist which not only cools the air but provides for cleaner burns. The benefits are many so I really advise research into the topic. For those who say things like "your engine isnt built enough for it" do not know what they are talking about. If they do, I would like them to provide reason as to why not. If the air coming out of the intercooler is not as cool as the air outside (or cooler) then water injection will definitely help. Even if the air coming out is cooler then the air outside water/methanol injection will still help.

Water injection not only helps lower the intake temps, but it will allow you to push more boost safely (helps prevent detonation). It will even allow you to push more boost without retarding the ignition timing.

As always, RESEARCH! No just for a day, read as much as you can for weeks or longer.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 6:28:13 PM

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when i said its not needed i meant that there are other things that will get more power before you need alky or meth. it will help but a ko4 would do a greater good.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 7:20:59 PM

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Yea i've been doing alot of research and love what I see so far.. Not only does it up performance a great deal horsepower to cost, it is also good for the engine. I'm def going a fmic first then a pc-16 and injectors.. but next after that is WI no doubt in my mind.. I can't wait for the gains, should be really awesome considering it shouldn't cost me more then $800 for all of them.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 8:06:18 PM

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What good does the meth kit do without tuning for it? Cooler intake temps are great but gain will be minimal to none without increased boost and timing. If your chipped and add meth you still won't gain much or anything other than reduced heat soak. I know guys running timing advanced 28 degrees in mustang cobra with it instead of 17-18 degrees which is normally considered aggressive. (You gain approximately 10hp per degree of timing advance) To get real gains with a water/meth system you will need a custom tune or standalone but it is probably the best bang for your buck for power adders.

What you have for mods is unimportant unless you don't have the supporting mods to run what you have(like if you have a stock intercooler running a gtrs) because the real gains from running water/meth systems are in the timing increases. Anyone who says you don't need it yet doesn't have a clue how a meth injection system produces huge power gains. Keep in mind my buddies $300 snow performance meth kit in his cobra nets 100hp from the increased timing alone and also has lower intake temps, more dense incoming air, and increased boost which was not possible without a different heat exchanger untill the meth kit (that's a better power output than a nitrous kit for half the money).

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 9:26:03 PM

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it also lowers intake temps and makes them more dense to help safegaurd against pre detonation.. if you are running higher boost or race fuel that your ecu map isnt set up for

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/17/2007 9:30:33 PM

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the reason you add meth is to run more boost safely with out knocking.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/18/2007 3:58:48 PM

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Methanol also helps prevent the water from freezing...

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/18/2007 4:08:42 PM

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We have the SNOW kit on our 944 turbo race car, We didnt notice much in added hp (maybe 5-10) but we did notice that we were able to run more psi without knocking on 91. Probably 2-3 more psi on the street safely.

We used windshield washer fluid with deicer. The deicer has the methenol at a good percentage. That is what alot of people recommend.

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/18/2007 4:20:21 PM

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i would run alky. meth is cheeper but harder to find. and meth is also dangerous. you have to wear gloves when working iwht it. alky is like rubbing alc it will evaporate if you spill it no hard no faul

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RE: Water/Methanol injection or not? - 2/18/2007 4:23:59 PM

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I think windshield washer fluid works...

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