Well we went for a drive , me and some of the audi club today and found us a guy willing to do some starts in his stock 335i......0-100klm and 0-200klm. 2 x each against him 4-0 roflm so its official stock RS4 sedan owns stock335i coupe specially after 100klm that monster pulls hard, had to back off hard at 200, had heaps of peddle to go.. .....now of course in the usa they r chipping faster than mac donalds and going mod crazy....so hurry up MTM and get that freeking supacharger ready to ship... but head to head stock RS4 wins ....eassyyyy Read it and weep.....335i owners hahah

i also swapped rides with my palfor an hour, he has the old RS4 TwinTurbo stage2 ,460hp ish now thats an RS4 turboed and chipped the 335i will never catch no matter what those yankie chippers do. they seem to overlook that car .........

the 335 is a 300HP car right? a stock S4 should still be able to run that car, an RS4 is just murder

lol a 335 vs an rs4......this is the stupidest compairson i have ever seen before...ok next you should see how an A4 would do against an M5

In thenew Auto Motor und Sport (german magazine) was a comparison s4 vs. 335.

The beamer was not quite that good, but a lot cheaper too.

Have never driven an RS4, but I must say the 335i is a nice car. Not really a fair comparo to an RS4, but I know it wasn't supposed to be. Anyway, the e92 M3 coming out is going to make things interesting.

I am contemplating the RS4 or holding out a bit longer for the new M3. Good to know the RS4 is quicker than the 335. Although, I am not surprised. I have found the 335's to be a fairly easy to take down with ease. Then again, my car isn't completely stock. ;)

Just get the new RS6 when it comes out. it will own all!

ORIGINAL: myaudi98

Just get the new RS6 when it comes out. it will own all!


You sure about that...? That is a very bold statement ;)

I bet it will. Im hoping it breaks the 550hp mark! Audi needs to take it and go balls out!

Rs6 owned all when it came out few years ago. now its slow compared to some benz's and the M5.

They will redeem, you will see!

haha yes wait for new RS6, if they dont break the 550 mark.... its twin turbo.... there is room for improvement:) imagine a chipped RS6

Yeah you can chip a rs6 now and get over 500hp. with exhaust, upgrade the turbos, and some minor things and 600hp is cake. Just make sure you have the 6 speed. The autos cant handle the power from what i heard. but impossible to find six speed. I have only ever heard of one.

wait they only make auto's? for the rs6? or did i completly look like a incoherent asshole? :)

oh shit, never mind i figured it out :(

Since the S6 is going to have a 425hp V10, I'm sure the RS6 will atleast break the 500hp mark.

ORIGINAL: drsus

the 335 is a 300HP car right? a stock S4 should still be able to run that car, an RS4 is just murder


335i is 300hp at the wheels as dynoed by a previous BMW magazine during the launch, which equates to around 330 hp or so at the crank. Hits peak boost at 1300 rpm, so I doubt a regular S4 could keep up.

The new RS6 will be a twin turbo V-10 gallardo motor.
Do you remember what Toyota did with the Turbo Supras? Well double the torque and there you are.
A Z06 will have a hard time keeping up, but imagine with a new CPU program (if you really want that) which would be a nightmare!!!!

Hey_You (http://www.audiforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=23170)-
I dream of RS4...then I wake up and have to change my sheets.


LOL! love it

ummmm... i don't think the new RS6 is bi-turbo.... i believe is the 5-litre V10 NA.... and good luck tuning that engine with bi-turbo... the compression ratio is probably through the roof..... sure would be bad ass though.....

Our mighty RS4 might have some competition with the E92 M3 apparently its lighter and making 425hp form BMWs V8. i love it when my 2 favorite car comapany fight for my liking. go RS4 all the way though

To you 335i bashers, allowme to clarify a few things:

BMW 335i Sedan MSRP: $40,800 (starting) - with PROcede $42,100.
Audi RS4 MSRP: $66,000
Difference: $25,200; with PROcede $23,900

Winner: BMW

Performance
BMW 335i
Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4 (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi/rs4/index.html), too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669

2007 Audi RS4
A 4.2-liter V8 engine powers the Audi RS 4. Equipped with direct fuel injection and sporting a 12.5:1 compression ratio, this powerhouse makes 420 horsepower and 317 pound-feet of torque. A six-speed manual gearbox (the only transmission offered) sends the power to all four wheels through Audi's quattro all-wheel-drive system, which has a 40/60 front-to-rear power split in this application. During instrumented testing conducted by Inside Line, an RS 4 shot to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at nearly 107 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/audi/rs4/2007/review.html

Winner: RS4 (by .01 seconds on 0-60 and 1/4 mile - does this deserve paying$25,000 more for a .01 second improvement...wait there's more)

BMW Awards
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-straight-six-v10-sweep-engine-awards.html
http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/categories04.html
Hmm...didn't see any Audi awards
Winner: self explanatory

What happens when you add a $1300 upgrade to the 335i????
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485

This incendiary performance puts the cooking 335i in the same league as dedicated performance pieces like the Audi RS 4 (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi/rs4/index.html) and the Mitsubishi Evo IX — cars that don't come close to offering the Bimmer's stealth factor.

Sixty mph arrives in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile flashes by in 13.0 seconds at 109 mph, 0.3 second quicker than the last stock 335i with an automatic transmission that we tested. And that's quicker than any stock Evo or Audi RS 4 we've ever tested.

Lastly, what happens when you have PROcede (only $1300) and use 93 octane gas
http://dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-11958.html
http://dragtimes.com/2007-BMW-335i-Specs-11958.html

Now which car is better????

LOL.... this guys is funny.....

well done.... but most people don't care about what everyone else thinks... and what's rated what... they lovethere AUDI !!! (for reasons only a true audi enthusiest would know)..... i hope your not policing around all the forums defending BMW (which i have absolutely nothing against...i used to drive a 99 M coupe....great car!) because you would just be waisting your time... and you seem smarter than that....

^ lol gotta love that!

I think bimmers are great too. But Just cant get over how plain the dials are. I just think they are old and in my opinion, think the dials are ugly. Rest of car is awesome. the new 3 series is sweet, but i will stick with the audi. gotta remember, more power loss in a awd car versus a rwd.

I have driven the 335i before buying my S4. It's a great car and def feels under rated. Now, that said, it's certainly not going to come close to the RS4. BMW claims 5.5 seconds and I was able to hit 5s, but no matter how much I slammed those gears, I could not get below 5s. I can, however, get the same numbers in my S4 as I can in the 335i. Honestly, I dunno how these guys are getting numbers close to the RS4.

Finally, what does price have to do with it? THe BMW skimps on ALOT of things, including poorly designed interiors, and the cost is far less to make a RWD car than an AWD car, one that I can drive in the snow and accelerate hard in the rain. Usefull things here in Pa. These are all reasons I passed on the 335i. Everyone and their brother will have one in the next year too.

I am sure if Audi made a RWD car and mediocre interiors, they could match BMW's price.

We have an RS4 and while it is faster, the 335 is no joke.

If we didn't have something called snow, I'd have opted for the lighter 335 and put the $25k towards a used Elise.

But in low-traction conditions, good luck with RWD and hooking up.

IMHO, the RS4 is NOT a bargain... the 335xi can do 90% of what the RS4 can do for a lot less money.
But then again, a $300 Tag Heuer can do pretty much everything my Breitling can... but which one is on my wrist? :D

Anyone trying to make a "worth it?" comparison is kind of missing the point... is a $500 single malt "worth it?" You can get just as buzzed on good old JD.

I love our RS4. But I have no delusions that it was somehow a "good bargain."

ORIGINAL: JETSPEED333

LOL.... this guys is funny.....

well done.... but most people don't care about what everyone else thinks... and what's rated what... they lovethere AUDI !!! (for reasons only a true audi enthusiest would know)..... i hope your not policing around all the forums defending BMW (which i have absolutely nothing against...i used to drive a 99 M coupe....great car!) because you would just be waisting your time... and you seem smarter than that....




I def agree with jetspeed333, you cant just watlz in here with a bunch of spec's on a beamer and expect someone too change brands. Audi is what we like and beamer is what you like. That would be like us telling you too switch over. I love audi and plan on buying another one and after that another one and so on. It's basically like what sports team you like....and personally im just drawn too audi. Go AUDI ALL THE WAY.

To you 335i bashers, allowme to clarify a few things:

BMW 335i Sedan MSRP: $40,800 (starting) - with PROcede $42,100.
Audi RS4 MSRP: $66,000
Difference: $25,200; with PROcede $23,900

Winner: BMW

Performance
BMW 335i
Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4 (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi/rs4/index.html), too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669)

2007 Audi RS4
A 4.2-liter V8 engine powers the Audi RS 4. Equipped with direct fuel injection and sporting a 12.5:1 compression ratio, this powerhouse makes 420 horsepower and 317 pound-feet of torque. A six-speed manual gearbox (the only transmission offered) sends the power to all four wheels through Audi's quattro all-wheel-drive system, which has a 40/60 front-to-rear power split in this application. During instrumented testing conducted by Inside Line, an RS 4 shot to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and ran the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at nearly 107 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/audi/rs4/2007/review.html (http://www.edmunds.com/audi/rs4/2007/review.html)

Winner: RS4 (by .01 seconds on 0-60 and 1/4 mile - does this deserve paying$25,000 more for a .01 second improvement...wait there's more)

BMW Awards
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-straight-six-v10-sweep-engine-awards.html (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-straight-six-v10-sweep-engine-awards.html)
http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/categories04.html (http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/categories04.html)
Hmm...didn't see any Audi awards
Winner: self explanatory

What happens when you add a $1300 upgrade to the 335i????
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485)

This incendiary performance puts the cooking 335i in the same league as dedicated performance pieces like the Audi RS 4 (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi/rs4/index.html) and the Mitsubishi Evo IX — cars that don't come close to offering the Bimmer's stealth factor.

Sixty mph arrives in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile flashes by in 13.0 seconds at 109 mph, 0.3 second quicker than the last stock 335i with an automatic transmission that we tested. And that's quicker than any stock Evo or Audi RS 4 we've ever tested.

Lastly, what happens when you have PROcede (only $1300) and use 93 octane gas
http://dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-11958.html (http://dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-11958.html)
http://dragtimes.com/2007-BMW-335i-Specs-11958.html (http://dragtimes.com/2007-BMW-335i-Specs-11958.html)

Now which car is better????

< Message edited by bmw_335i -- 5/9/2007 3:34:27 PM >



Some people have to much time on there hands to join a forum just to say all that. This is funny. I look at the top of page and it says audiforums. I think we will be a little biased. :D

This guy is Jealous, Only 1000 ......., 2007 B7 RS4s for the whole North American Market. How many 335i are out there? Plus the RS4 is a "family" sedan with 4 doors that my wife agreed to let me purchase.

i raced a stock 335 2 door from a role twice and lost by half a car

ORIGINAL: timmons11

i raced a stock 335 2 door from a role twice and lost by half a car

in an RS4???

I think what upsets thecompetition isthat whenever Audi feels like making a sports car or sedan, they do it, and do it better. It's like onemorning Audi wakes up and say's....."(yawwwn) mmm I think we should builda couple of high end sports carsto compete with the market" and they excell in many ways than one. Porsche, bmw, mercedes have been buildingthe same models andimproving them over & over through thecourse of many years. Audi builds the R8and blows everyone away!.I think the competition knows that if Audi really wants to, they can shred, no doubt:) The competition just can't handle it.

plus motor trend tested the rs4 months ago and got a 4.5 sec 0-60 time even though the rs4 was rated at 4.8 sec 0-60 which means that a stock rs4 is faster then that modded 335i by .1 sec