Well I was driving around with my friend and he says that he should race me in his parents 07 Hyundai Sonata. I assumed that I would win. However, coming home and looking it up, I see that it could very easily be a close match judging by the specs of each car... if I lost to a Sonata i would be very sad... That thing has 234hp though and is supposedly like 400 lbs. lighter.... What do you guys think. We probably will never race but i am just thinking theoretically.

No way man!!! is that 2.7 stock??? It should beat that thing even if it weren't you got a crap load more traction from a stand still and the sonata would never catch you.

Yeah it's stock, I am jsut looking at numbers.

Well after i go APR and get VAST DPs, then the Sonata would bow to the ~340 HP! :D

I am shocked you even said the "H" word anyway.

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Lol a deadly sin that is!!

OK CURIOUS THEN....

What kind of normal cars could beat my car stock? I should be able to eat up grand prix's/am's, most mustangs and like ricers right? What could take my car tho?

A nissan maxima would dust your car like it wasn't even there. The cops use several of them asun-marked units out here is sac.

My brother in laws rental car was an 07 Sonata. I was very impressed with the direction Hyaundi has gone. A good frind of mine back in high school had a Scoop and it was ok, but nothing special. His Sonata I drove handled well, the interior was nice for a 21k car, the breaks were firm, ac was amazing. Overall I felt it was a good car, your money would be better spent on an Accord/Camry though.

I have the 2.8l engine, so just about any car can take me I would assume, don't know, never race.

If the Hyaundi is fresh off the lot and the Audi is a little beat down then you might have some competition but you should still be able to handle him. What ive noticed is that after a few thousands mile those hyuandis drive like crap.

Second the Maxima statment up there... Those Maximas from the current years body style to the one just before the current year are wicked quick for a off the line. The autos will even light the front tires up through second gear. Ive never driven a 4.2 but Id guess that it'd be a good race.

Audi will take it and spit it out in bubbles:D

i evensaw hyundai 2007 Elantra beat my friend's BMW 328..

he fall into a panic since then.

Anything that can go 0-60 in better than 6 seconds will beat you. And that assumes you shift perfectly, like an automatic transmission (usually) does. The A6 is fast but still not as quick as others off the line because of the weight and the AWD.

Why don't you offer to race him from 70-130?

ORIGINAL: auditech79

A nissan maxima would dust your car like it wasn't even there. The cops use several of them asun-marked units out here is sac.


I do not think this is completely accurate. The Maxima has 255Hp which is just 5 more Hp than the 2.7T, so I do not agree with the "dusting" as you put it! If law enforcement is using them, they could be modified for more Hp though. I know the MD police are using Dodge Chargers. They are not the SXT which has the 400Hp output, they are using the RT which still has 340HP. I have seen them rolling and they are quick.

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The maxima weights a lot less than our car and has 5 more horsepower. Our cars are pigs on weight.

two seven should win, better take off and more tq

Alright my friend and i performed a little experiment to aid in this discussion although it isn't a 2.7t A6.
The race is a 2003 4.2L A6 vs. a 2006 Nissan maxima auto.
(we might have borrowed the A6 from the used car dept. at audi........:eek:)
But anyway we lined them up for a quarter mile race, (i was in the audi) his girlfriend flagged us and we took off.
The audi of course took off a lot better than the nissan which was burning the tires through second gear, we approched about the 1/8 mile and his car was about a half length behind mine, then he started to pull past mine at a pretty quick rate and just passed mine as we passed the 1/4 mile mark.
I don't know how it would play out in a scenario against the 2.7T but i would imagine the 4.2L is a little faster than the biturbo is stock.

Still its a Fuc*in Nissan!

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ORIGINAL: Joeski

Still its a Fuc*in Nissan!

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Granted

I enjoy nothing more then seeing a wrecked rice burner!

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i took out my friends E320 today

Nissan will take a 2.7T TIp, 6 speed will be closer.
The Sonata WILL challenge you in manual; more displacement and strong engine, probably lighter car. Driver will make a big difference on the outcome though.The A6 is NOT a red light racer. You have a manual so you ahve an edge over most A6 2.7T owners who could only find a TIP :(
Mine will hardly go under 5.5 sec to 60mph. Need to do a 1/4 mile though. But on the road, picking up anywhere from 50 to 90, I can keep up with the new 335's. Was realy close with a chipped 335 this week-end and I had an extra 250 lbs in the car. His car also weighs 200;lbs less ans he had 50 more HP.
Your car will be challenged by many from a stand still as many production cars runs 0-60 in 5.5 to 6.5 sec. key is shifting for you

ORIGINAL: auditech79

Alright my friend and i performed a little experiment to aid in this discussion although it isn't a 2.7t A6.
The race is a 2003 4.2L A6 vs. a 2006 Nissan maxima auto.
(we might have borrowed the A6 from the used car dept. at audi........:eek:)
But anyway we lined them up for a quarter mile race, (i was in the audi) his girlfriend flagged us and we took off.
The audi of course took off a lot better than the nissan which was burning the tires through second gear, we approched about the 1/8 mile and his car was about a half length behind mine, then he started to pull past mine at a pretty quick rate and just passed mine as we passed the 1/4 mile mark.
I don't know how it would play out in a scenario against the 2.7T but i would imagine the 4.2L is a little faster than the biturbo is stock.


I still find this very hard to believe how a 300Hp 4.2 is not faster then a 255Hp Maxima. What are the models years and milage of these cars that you used?

Unless I see it, I certainly will not believe it!

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well i owned an 03 maxima 6 speed...it will beat the shit out of the a6 2.7t 6 speed...if the a6 is stock....chip that thing and ull toast the maxima...i even put a 50 shot of nitrous in my maxima...and my chipped a6 still beats it

oh a new v6 camry would make yuo break a sweat :)

ya...those camry's have some decent power...theres alot of car out there right now that can move pretty well..

According to MSN the 2.7 6MT A6 has a much better 0-60 time tho. Although, I have yet to see a UNIFORM answer as to what the projected 0-60 time for the 2.7t is. MSN says, 5.79 sec. I have heard other places that it's supposed to be 6 secs. flat. And then on auto.com it says the 0-60 is 7.1 secs.!!! ARG! lol

Either way I would rather be rolling in a stylish Audi than most other cars, so let them be faster than me!!!

Most newer sedans are pushing 300hp+ and getting a lot better fuel economy than the used too.

Are you kidding a Hyundai Sonata? I've smoked a dozen of those in Minneapolis along with those Maximas. There was only one time that a Maxima sat on my quarter panel, after that I never bothered to look in the rear view mirror anymore :D

What you got k04s under the hood? lol

my guess is tock is a 6.1-6.3 sec. Tip would be 6.5 +

Got the APR Stage III turbo kit, RS4 intercoolers, GIAC chip 93 octane software, APR R1 Diverter valves, and an APR catback exhaust. This will stop most cars or it looks like they're stopped ;)

ORIGINAL: formulagigi

my guess is tock is a 6.1-6.3 sec. Tip would be 6.5 +


Yeah i was thinking the same thing. For 6spd it depends on the launch too.

Got the APR Stage III turbo kit, RS4 intercoolers, GIAC chip 93 octane software, APR R1 Diverter valves, and an APR catback exhaust. This will stop most cars or it looks like they're stopped

Wow I need pics! That is like my dream car, because it is like the ultimate sleeper!! Most would pass it thinking "family sedan"... LOL

ok, this might have been said, but i have an 05 sonata as well as my a4........the 06 was the first yr of the 3.5 liter in the sonata......so unless you are chipped you will not win to that car

sorry to be the one to say it....... that car is no slouch

We need to look at this realistically, my car is a 2000 and it had 250Hp back then when Hyundai was still scratching their asses. It only took them 7 years to develop a motor that can compete with ours. Look at our cars compared with the Sonata, Camry and Maxima, there is no comparison inside or out, and they sure as hell do not have the handling or braking we have and our cars are heavier.

Just do what alot of us have done, modify your car correctly and you'll still kick their ass, I know I have!
Those cars have no style that sets them apart from others anyway, who the f*ck would want to own one!

Down with the rice!

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ORIGINAL: Joeski

We need to look at this realistically, my car is a 2000 and it had 250Hp back then when Hyundai was still scratching their asses. It only took them 7 years to develop a motor that can compete with ours. Look at our cars compared with the Sonata, Camry and Maxima, there is no comparison inside or out, and they sure as hell do not have the handling or braking we have and our cars are heavier.

Just do what alot of us have done, modify your car correctly and you'll still kick their ass, I know I have!
Those cars have no style that sets them apart from others anyway, who the f*ck would want to own one!

Down with the rice!

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i agree with u on that...but i wouldnt call my 03 maxima a ricer....and it def had lots of power and with my suspension it would out handle the a6...but then again i dont have a suspension on my a6 cuz it sucked ass on the maxima as a daily driver...all in all i wouldnt go back..even though ive just put 3k into my a6

I would put it in a class of value for money for what it is

How is a front wheel drive maxima outhandle an AWD Audi? I will take that bet all day.. That boils down to the driver. Modify a sport suspension (AUDI)with sway bars and coilovers and you will be pulling away from mosteverything through corners and straights. I have a 4.2 sport and my buddy has a 3.5 Maxima (05). From a dig it is close. He weighs less and those 3.5's are torquey. -- still, to 75mph he was barely on my quarter panel. I did'nt blow him away but he wasn't going to catch me. Keep in mind we both autocrossmanual 2 seater sports cars on the track (1970 Datsun Z and Porsche 911 -1978) so we know how to drive.We even traded cars, and even though the maxima is no slouch, I simply did'nt have the torgue to catch up to the 4.2.We tried fom a roll and it was simply no contest. I kept pulling and pulling. The 4.2 is a freeway monster. Now, the 2.7t only has 50 less HP.0-60 times are 6.5-6 for the 2.7t and the 4.2 is 6.1-2. Pretty comparable.

What sets it apart for me (besides the performance) is the styling. Yes, hyundai has come along way. My mom had a 1988 GLS..Was a POS but hyundai has come along way and the sonata isn't bad. The camry is overstyled and for the 265 HP the sticker boasts was a complete slouch...blah!Those cars have always been boring in the styling interior/exterior department. Nissan looks the best in my opinion but it is still a Japanese car and therefore a ricer. Period!

ORIGINAL: prbayha

How is a front wheel drive maxima outhandle an AWD Audi? I will take that bet all day.. That boils down to the driver. Modify a sport suspension (AUDI)with sway bars and coilovers and you will be pulling away from mosteverything through corners and straights. I have a 4.2 sport and my buddy has a 3.5 Maxima (05). From a dig it is close. He weighs less and those 3.5's are torquey. -- still, to 75mph he was barely on my quarter panel. I did'nt blow him away but he wasn't going to catch me. Keep in mind we both autocrossmanual 2 seater sports cars on the track (1970 Datsun Z and Porsche 911 -1978) so we know how to drive.We even traded cars, and even though the maxima is no slouch, I simply did'nt have the torgue to catch up to the 4.2.We tried fom a roll and it was simply no contest. I kept pulling and pulling. The 4.2 is a freeway monster. Now, the 2.7t only has 50 less HP.0-60 times are 6.5-6 for the 2.7t and the 4.2 is 6.1-2. Pretty comparable.

What sets it apart for me (besides the performance) is the styling. Yes, hyundai has come along way. My mom had a 1988 GLS..Was a POS but hyundai has come along way and the sonata isn't bad. The camry is overstyled and for the 265 HP the sticker boasts was a complete slouch...blah!Those cars have always been boring in the styling interior/exterior department. Nissan looks the best in my opinion but it is still a Japanese car and therefore a ricer. Period!



Cha Ching brother! I right with you on that!

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Its a bit of topic, but i got eaten by a 07 Lexus GS350 AWD. I really love to direction that lexus is going. After Audi, those would be my next prospect. With a 0-60 of 5.1 and a 1/4 mile of 13.9 its a respectable car, not to mention a greatAWD system, good fuel economy and a 3.5LV6 with 306HP. Did I forget killer good looks?Seems they are shifting away from the rest of the ricers.....

Also, My dads 07 Passat 3.6 4motion WAGON is neck in neck with me everywhere but 95mph and up on the highway.

Alright after reading this thread I am going to go out and buy a Hyaundi.......

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After driving my rental '06 Chrysler Sebring for a while I can tell you one thing, my brother in laws rental Sonata was like driving a lexus in comparison. We also had an Hyaundi Azera for a rental and again in comparison to the Sebring, the Azara is a Mercedes. The Azera was really nice, if I didn't know better I might buy one. Why oh why do people buy Chryslers?

because all of the taste is in thier mouth...those cars have flat out been lame for the past 10 years HEMI or no HEMI..Ever sat in one. If you like plastic you'll love 'em.

Chrysler's????[:'(] [sm=chairshot.gif] [sm=laughat.gif] [sm=WTFsgign.gif]

Dodge\Chrysles\Jeep, the company makes decent truck, thats what there known for. If you really want a american Luxury car, get a Caddy or a Buick, everyone knows that!!.....you might laugh at Buick, but they ride good because there're going after the older drivers (50-60), the inside looks young, but the inside of most american car are young.

One question.... Why buy American cars at all if they are junk??
I love being a patriot, but buying a worthless POS to me is not being a Patriot...
Luxury = European.....

I work for a hyundai dealership and drive new sonatas everyday. My2.7T 6spd. would take one any day, they have a 0-60 of 7.0sec. The azera would be closer as it is by far the fastest car in our lineup. The sonatas are awesome, and for the value you can't get a better grocery getter. Oh and I already beat a new gen altima which sports the maximas 3.5 in a lighter car. Close but the awd launches soooooo much better.

The way I see it...
American = Best work trucks.
European = Best cars OVERALL.
Asian = Best BUDGET cars.

ORIGINAL: domestic

I work for a hyundai dealership and drive new sonatas everyday. My2.7T 6spd. would take one any day, they have a 0-60 of 7.0sec. The azera would be closer as it is by far the fastest car in our lineup. The sonatas are awesome, and for the value you can't get a better grocery getter. Oh and I already beat a new gen altima which sports the maximas 3.5 in a lighter car. Close but the awd launches soooooo much better.

6spd were the ley letters on your post!
Also the Sonata,likethe V6 Accord, will actually pull a mid 6sec to 60mph. A 2.7T 6spd pulls low 6, tip mid 6. It'd be close race with a 2.7T TIP, which launches like crap unless you mod the tranny. Sonata's got almost same HP and more displacement too. Azera is super nice for the $, just heavy.

ORIGINAL: jonny29

Its a bit of topic, but i got eaten by a 07 Lexus GS350 AWD. I really love to direction that lexus is going. After Audi, those would be my next prospect. With a 0-60 of 5.1 and a 1/4 mile of 13.9 its a respectable car, not to mention a greatAWD system, good fuel economy and a 3.5LV6 with 306HP. Did I forget killer good looks?Seems they are shifting away from the rest of the ricers.....

Also, My dads 07 Passat 3.6 4motion WAGON is neck in neck with me everywhere but 95mph and up on the highway.

Lexus GS350 is a very nice ride, A6 4.2 is no match for it. I just don't like how "lifeless" they drive, even the fast ones. NUmb driving. I also like the Audi interiors better but Lexus puts together a great overallpackage for a competitive price. As for the Passat, finally a good engine to match its size and weight. Not a fan of the line though. I think teh Audi 4.2 looks great stock! A catback wakes the V8 up with great sound!

The reason ther is no match is becasue the 350 weighs soo much less than the 4.2. On the freeway, past 70, i would dare to say it would be neck and neck..Off the line = hands down 350 because of the weight. But, when it comes to interior appointments and styling, the Lexus falls way way short. Test drove one this weekend after a co-worker bought the 250. Problems I see with teh 350....Doesn't come with a manual tranny and does not sport AWD. If it did, that would have changed my tune a bit. I hear they might next year, but just rumor from the sales guy. The car felt kinda big and rally ahrd to see your corners becasue of the round styling. My GF's IS is a fun car and is super tight compared to the new, but that was last gen. In fact, the IS 300 is 215HP and the new 250 is only 205...I know, 10 hp is no big deal...just saying.

You guys are taking this thread out of proportion, Of course the A6 has a nicer interior than almost any other japanese and german sedans on the market. The A6 also has much more tuning options for power, handling, and syling than most other sedans on the road today as well.
Even if the A6 would lose to a japanese/korean sedan by half a car length or less i would still drive the A6 because the A6 stands ahead of the pack in technology and engineering.
But those of you that are non believers of japanese power take your APR stage 3 tuned A6 next to a tuned Supra, Skyline, or NSX and your balls will shrink so small you'll cry for a month, you WILL be beat that badly.