Typical life of 2.7T motor
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Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/21/2007 6:26:56 PM
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JE10
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What is the typical life of a stock 2.7t motor before things start to go wrong, or need replacing. I've read that the timing belt need replacing at around 110,000 or earlier and the turbos blow but besides timing belt when do normal problems, like tubos blowing, start to arise? And what are some more typical problems. What mileage does it get to the point wehre its almost not worth investing any more into fixing the engine?
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks, Jake
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/21/2007 7:09:27 PM
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Honestly, you need to step back and review what you are asking. The longevity of any motor, not just a 2.7T, all depends on its owner. Any motor that is well maintained and respected by its owner can last 200,000 miles. I have a friend who put 300,000 miles on a 91 VW Jetta. It is now in VW heaven because he tackled that awhile back, but the owner of the car is its crucial link.
Todays cars especially the 2.7T motor can be modified to unbelievable amounts of Hp. All these things will put additional strain on the engine, but you can still combat this with simple maintenance and the use of reliabe stronger aftermarket parts, and that includes turbos as well.
I can continue on this to go on forever, but I think you get the idea. Respect your car and your car will respect you!
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/22/2007 3:15:27 AM
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Ok thank! but when buying say a 2000 2.7T with about 100,000 miles what should I look for on the car for signs of problems and should I ask the owner how it was driven?
Jake
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/22/2007 5:54:23 AM
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I would find a good inde mechanic to go over the car inside and out, top and bottom. They will be able to give you an honest assestment of the vehicle. As far as other issues, timing belt for example, hopefully the previous owner kept his service records. It can be tough with any degree of accuracy to determine what work has been performed without keeping your records.
I keep everything, right down to simple oil changes, and thank god I have a great inde mechanic!
I hope this helps you out!
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/22/2007 6:14:36 AM
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/22/2007 5:24:29 PM
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I'm glad I stumbled over this thread b/c I didn't want to create another one. Sorry for the thread jack but I wanted to ask some questions also. I just recently bought a 1999 audi a6 2.7t (auto) with 120K miles for my wife and got a good deal on it ($5k). It was a family hookup so I know it's reliable but for piece of mind I'm having it officially checked out by audi and having them do the 100 point inspection done on it ($100). I am concerned about regular maintenance which I plan on doing myself and the goal of this vehicle for me is comfort and style so my mods will surround those factors.
Around 120K miles I would like to know what should be done at this time. Let's assume worse case scenario the previous owner didn't take very good care of the vehicle which is hard to believe b/c it doesn't have much physical damage to it and is very clean inside exception of a broken mirror switch. I've already changed oil and filters, brake pads but not rotors (at least not yet). If you would like please post a reply here or reference this thread: http://www.audiforums.com/m_546307/tm.htm
As far as general knowledge is concerned:
are the A6's referenced with another name? Ex: my BMW 03 325i is also known as an E46 m56 sedan.
Style wise are A6's and S6's similar?
Are there any other reputable audi forums?
Nice easy to navigate Audi A6 aftermarket site (that uses pictures)? I've checked the site sponsors page and checked out some of the sponsors but I'm not satisfied with what I see. most mods are for A4's for example (not knocking a4's).
Best Regards,
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Thanks for the help. I'm going to continue my reading.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/24/2007 5:05:15 PM
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There are a number of threads on this forum on this subject. I launched one a couple months ago asking about turbo life and the best responder said he was still driving his OEM turbos at 130k. I was curious because I have 96k and plan on keeping my car for a long time.
If you want to know the recommended services, get a maintenance manual. E.g., mine calls for the timing belt at 105k. Critical to keep the oil clean and let the oil warm up before stressing the turbos.
Otherwise, it will experience wear similar to other cars. I had mine aligned this month and the mechanic said all the steering parts were tight, which surprised him due to the mileage. The only unnatural failure I had was the alternator at 60k, but it happened coincidental with a pothole. And I've had three tires (one Pirelli and two Coopers) fail, one due to a different pothole. Most of my driving is highway, and I accelerate conservatively but drive fast.
It's a great car - good looking and solid on the road, especially in snow. And comfortable.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 5:53:45 AM
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Thanks for the info I'll search around for that thread that you made. This may seem like a stupid question and it probably has been asked before but, I was under the impression that not all Audi's were turbo'd. If this is true (besides looking for the turbo) how would I be able to tell if my wife's car is turbo'd? Also when I start the car daily I hear a winding sound like a jet engine. I'll get a sound clip later and post it here. Can I make the assumption that it's the turbo winding up? After about 2-3mins it goes away. I usually let the car warm up for about 2-5 mins before leaving. During winter should I allow the car to warm up for a longer period of time? I've never owned a turbo'd vehicle before so I'm looking for healthy practices to keep the motor strong. I'll start reading up a little more today. thanks for the info and any other opinions are appreciated.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 9:35:02 AM
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My 01 2.7t still has the OEM Turbos (148,000 miles). They are fine
I bought a warranty that covers them upto 240,000 miles.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 11:12:49 AM
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Where did you buy a warranty from? when did you purchase the warranty (at what mileage)? and most importantly how much did the warranty cost?
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 11:21:21 AM
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Thanks for the info I'll search around for that thread that you made. This may seem like a stupid question and it probably has been asked before but, I was under the impression that not all Audi's were turbo'd. If this is true (besides looking for the turbo) how would I be able to tell if my wife's car is turbo'd? Also when I start the car daily I hear a winding sound like a jet engine. I'll get a sound clip later and post it here. Can I make the assumption that it's the turbo winding up? After about 2-3mins it goes away. I usually let the car warm up for about 2-5 mins before leaving. During winter should I allow the car to warm up for a longer period of time? I've never owned a turbo'd vehicle before so I'm looking for healthy practices to keep the motor strong. I'll start reading up a little more today. thanks for the info and any other opinions are appreciated.
the information is on the log book or whatever you call it over there ( it will say if turbo or not ) and if it is the best I can say is do plenty of oil&filter changes and dont cheat on cheap oil so full synthetic only
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 11:37:53 AM
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Thanks for the info I'll search around for that thread that you made. This may seem like a stupid question and it probably has been asked before but, I was under the impression that not all Audi's were turbo'd. If this is true (besides looking for the turbo) how would I be able to tell if my wife's car is turbo'd? Also when I start the car daily I hear a winding sound like a jet engine. I'll get a sound clip later and post it here. Can I make the assumption that it's the turbo winding up? After about 2-3mins it goes away. I usually let the car warm up for about 2-5 mins before leaving. During winter should I allow the car to warm up for a longer period of time? I've never owned a turbo'd vehicle before so I'm looking for healthy practices to keep the motor strong. I'll start reading up a little more today. thanks for the info and any other opinions are appreciated.
Yes, not all are turbo. Usually the badge on the back will say 1.8T, or 2.7T, that would be a turbo engine. If it's a 2.8 or 3.0, then no turbo.
The winding is the Secondary Air Pump, it's a emissions things, they cost $1100 to have the dealer replace it. The part alone is $500.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 12:04:32 PM
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I'm glad I stumbled over this thread b/c I didn't want to create another one. Sorry for the thread jack but I wanted to ask some questions also. I just recently bought a 1999 audi a6 2.7t (auto) with 120K miles for my wife and got a good deal on it ($5k). It was a family hookup so I know it's reliable but for piece of mind I'm having it officially checked out by audi and having them do the 100 point inspection done on it ($100). I am concerned about regular maintenance which I plan on doing myself and the goal of this vehicle for me is comfort and style so my mods will surround those factors.
Around 120K miles I would like to know what should be done at this time. Let's assume worse case scenario the previous owner didn't take very good care of the vehicle which is hard to believe b/c it doesn't have much physical damage to it and is very clean inside exception of a broken mirror switch. I've already changed oil and filters, brake pads but not rotors (at least not yet). If you would like please post a reply here or reference this thread: http://www.audiforums.com/m_546307/tm.htm
As far as general knowledge is concerned:
are the A6's referenced with another name? Ex: my BMW 03 325i is also known as an E46 m56 sedan.
Style wise are A6's and S6's similar?
Are there any other reputable audi forums?
Nice easy to navigate Audi A6 aftermarket site (that uses pictures)? I've checked the site sponsors page and checked out some of the sponsors but I'm not satisfied with what I see. most mods are for A4's for example (not knocking a4's).
Best Regards,
-Kern-
Thanks for the help. I'm going to continue my reading.
The A6 (C5 chassis) did not have a 2.7T in North America until the 2000 model year. A6's 1999 and older were 2.8 non-turbo.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 12:57:06 PM
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Thanks for the info I'll search around for that thread that you made. This may seem like a stupid question and it probably has been asked before but, I was under the impression that not all Audi's were turbo'd. If this is true (besides looking for the turbo) how would I be able to tell if my wife's car is turbo'd? Also when I start the car daily I hear a winding sound like a jet engine. I'll get a sound clip later and post it here. Can I make the assumption that it's the turbo winding up? After about 2-3mins it goes away. I usually let the car warm up for about 2-5 mins before leaving. During winter should I allow the car to warm up for a longer period of time? I've never owned a turbo'd vehicle before so I'm looking for healthy practices to keep the motor strong. I'll start reading up a little more today. thanks for the info and any other opinions are appreciated.
the information is on the log book or whatever you call it over there ( it will say if turbo or not ) and if it is the best I can say is do plenty of oil&filter changes and dont cheat on cheap oil so full synthetic only
Thanks for the info. I have already changed the oil and filter and went synthetic. I'm trying to get it back in top performance so only the best for the ride. I'm going to find that log book, owners manual and any other type of manual I need to get to better inform myself. Thanks again for the suggestion.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/25/2007 1:02:33 PM
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Thanks for the info I'll search around for that thread that you made. This may seem like a stupid question and it probably has been asked before but, I was under the impression that not all Audi's were turbo'd. If this is true (besides looking for the turbo) how would I be able to tell if my wife's car is turbo'd? Also when I start the car daily I hear a winding sound like a jet engine. I'll get a sound clip later and post it here. Can I make the assumption that it's the turbo winding up? After about 2-3mins it goes away. I usually let the car warm up for about 2-5 mins before leaving. During winter should I allow the car to warm up for a longer period of time? I've never owned a turbo'd vehicle before so I'm looking for healthy practices to keep the motor strong. I'll start reading up a little more today. thanks for the info and any other opinions are appreciated.
Yes, not all are turbo. Usually the badge on the back will say 1.8T, or 2.7T, that would be a turbo engine. If it's a 2.8 or 3.0, then no turbo.
The winding is the Secondary Air Pump, it's a emissions things, they cost $1100 to have the dealer replace it. The part alone is $500.
I really appreciate the info on the turbo... I have a 99 2.7t C5 A6 which kinda contradicts what daroshi is saying unless my car came from Canada which it hasn't. I also appreciate the info Daroshi but unless you can explain what I have in front of me then I'll have to say I have a time traveling ride that came to the US before it's time.
Now 2kS4, if you were me would you be concerned with that noise or is it normal? How would I know if it needs changing? I'm pretty handy so I plan on doing the work myself. Screw stealerships. I'm adding that information that you listed in regards to the turbo in my newbie intro thread listed above just for future reference. Thanks again for the info people.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 5/26/2007 12:26:39 PM
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I really appreciate the info on the turbo... I have a 99 2.7t C5 A6 which kinda contradicts what daroshi is saying unless my car came from Canada which it hasn't. I also appreciate the info Daroshi but unless you can explain what I have in front of me then I'll have to say I have a time traveling ride that came to the US before it's time.
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After a lot of research, I can only find the 2.8 non-turbo for the 1999 model year A6...
http://www.audiworld.com/model/a6/99/99-a6.shtml
The 2.7T and 4.2 V8 were introduced for the 2000 model year vehicles. According to the Bentley factory Audi service manual, the engine code APB 2.7T was first manufactured in Sept 1999, making it a 2000 model. Does anyone else (Audi tech?) have any more info to clarify?
Thanks!
Engine data
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81
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86.4
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9.3
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98 RON1)
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Motronic
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yes
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 6/1/2007 9:05:48 AM
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Now 2kS4, if you were me would you be concerned with that noise or is it normal? How would I know if it needs changing? I'm pretty handy so I plan on doing the work myself. Screw stealerships. I'm adding that information that you listed in regards to the turbo in my newbie intro thread listed above just for future reference. Thanks again for the info people.
It's not "normal" but is kind of normal. The pump just starts to make noise. Mine has been doing it for about 6 months. I really hate it, but I don't fell like spending $500 on something so stupid. The pump takes about 20min to remove. I tried to take it apart & lube it, but it's sealed.
All the pump does is inject air into the cats one a cold start, it's to help heat them up faster, that is ALL it does.
I have a writeup in word.doc on how to rebuild the pump.. PM me if you want me to email it to you, or anyone else.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 6/1/2007 2:02:33 PM
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thanks for helping out with that word doc and I appreciate the offer. On another note, I was driving with my wife today in the A6 and we started smelling something burning. when we approached a light I told her pull over so I can check it out. It was coming from the passenger rear rotor. Note: before I got the car that rotor was replaced (drivers side rear wasnt'), brake pads were changed on all wheels, which now makes me think that the calipers are probably bad. Anyone have any solutions? Could the calipers be sticking when engaged and doesn't know when to dis-engage? I was looking into replacing all four calipers and pads again anyway but for a temporary fix until I order rotors and brakes does anyone think I should now include on the order calipers? I'm not going bbk b/c don't care for the performance mod. Rather spend the money wisely getting the ride back into shape. Thanks for the help.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 6/5/2007 9:27:40 AM
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Just came back from having the 100pt inspection done (aka 100K inspection) at Winner Audi in Wilmington DE and here's the rundown of things I need to fix:
Battery- $265 Battery throwing a code so after it's changed they may need to check my alternator to make sure it's actually working properly. Anyone know how much an alternator costs???
Wipers- $60 .... come on... need I go on?
Braking- They said my brake fluid is dirty which causes more wear on the pads and rotors so they recommend flushing it and changing brake fluid. $110. My question: Is there a component braking kit you can buy to service your brakes (ex: brake fluid, rotors pads, lines, calipers etc)
Injection cleaning- $110 cleans all injectors for the vehicle to ensure it's in top performing condition.. ehhh ok.
Power mirror switch- $110 it's broken. I know the part costs $55. Where's the extra $55 come from??? lol.... Seriously I want to change the mirrors to RS6 mirrors anyway. Do they autofold? Can I even change the mirrors to RS6 mirrors?
Timing belts- $975.... anyone see a problem with that number? Does that cost sound correct? Maybe it's me but Timing belts don't usually cost that much. I'm starting to think to myself that I have a project car on my hands... lol...
Grand total $1630 without rotors and pads. So now I'm off to shop around to get some of these parts.. Going to check out:
getcoolparts.com nad German parts online.com. Anyone have any other suggestions please chime in. I seriously would like some feed back on some of these parts.
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RE: Typical life of 2.7T motor - 6/5/2007 9:57:46 AM
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Just came back from having the 100pt inspection done (aka 100K inspection) at Winner Audi in Wilmington DE and here's the rundown of things I need to fix:
Battery- $265 Battery throwing a code so after it's changed they may need to check my alternator to make sure it's actually working properly. Anyone know how much an alternator costs???
LOL, the ALT will be a couple of hundred, but more then likely a few hundred more to replace, it's at the bottom of the engine, & the front clip has to come off, wait until you to the TB job.
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Braking- They said my brake fluid is dirty which causes more wear on the pads and rotors so they recommend flushing it and changing brake fluid. $110. My question: Is there a component braking kit you can buy to service your brakes (ex: brake fluid, rotors pads, lines, calipers etc)
LOL, LOL! Brake fluid wears down the brakes more? This is some serious news to me! Dirty fluid will increase pedal travel & wear out the hydraulic components faster, that's it. Yea, if you are pushing the car, or the fluid is really bad, you can get brake fade from the fluid boiling, but that is either REALLY bad fluid, or you are really pushing the car.
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Injection cleaning- $110 cleans all injectors for the vehicle to ensure it's in top performing condition.. ehhh ok.
Skip, put in some Redline SL1, it's $10
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Timing belts- $975.... anyone see a problem with that number? Does that cost sound correct? Maybe it's me but Timing belts don't usually cost that much. I'm starting to think to myself that I have a project car on my hands... lol...
That is on the CHEAP side!!! The whole front end of the car needs to come off, it's a total PITA job, don't forget to change the WP & thermostat at the same time.
If you are going to have a shop do the work, purchase the parts from them! This way if something goes wrong, they are responsible. It's worth the extra 10-20%.
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