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RS6 -> RS4 with DSG....... (6/27/2007 7:17:55 PM)

I just wanted to find out if anyone has heard any news regarding an RS4 coming out with the DSG transmission? It would boost sales like crazy.

  
fenderstrat1184 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (6/27/2007 7:39:45 PM)

doubt that it would boost sales.  when it comes to high end performance cars ppl don't want anything but standard

look at the new m5, when it came out with their paddle shifters instead of a 6-speed... many ppl werent too happy... lo and behold the 6speed finally came over

myaudi98 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (6/28/2007 8:20:44 AM)

My freind had a M6 on order then cancelled it cause there was no manual yet. When they do, i think he may get one! but he hates the I drive

RS6 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (6/28/2007 10:11:49 AM)

You have to remember something though. The SMG was not a success at all. That is why the manual was requested by people. Now BMW is bringing the DSG in, as well as the manual. I just mentioned it because I wanted to see if anyone had heard anything about the DSG in the RS4. Its weird becaue the R8 has two versions.

yellowblur -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (6/28/2007 10:28:02 AM)

By DSG, we're talking about Audi's version of sequential shifting via steering wheel paddles right? I thought the soonest that would be out on the RS4 would be the 2009 car. It would be a cool feature that would make some people happy, I don't know if it would boost sales a whole lot. I thought RS4 buyers liked the manual tranny and the fact that the ESP can be completely deactivated (compared to the competition).

audijax -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (7/2/2007 1:08:46 PM)

My dealership just had a meeting with some reps from Audi last week.  I asked about DSG in the RS4 and R8 and I was told it was unlikely to happed due to the fact the DSG Audi has is not designed to take that much power.  I was somewhat puzzled.

PeterF -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (7/2/2007 5:17:57 PM)

as long as DSG does downshift when you use full throttle it is not a replacement for a manual. How could you exploit the torque of this engine with such a transmission?

Marin -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (7/8/2007 4:39:42 AM)

If Audi were to bring DSG for the RS4 then it would definately increase sales. I dont understand why they didnt do it. The gearbox can handle the power, everything else they say is just nonsense. I for one am getting bored of my car now and wanted an RS4 but i just cant drive a manual car in London. There is no point when there is so much traffic everywhere so i am now looking at the M5.

I really hope they bring out the DSG on the RS4 else its M5 or new M3 with M DCT.

PDX RS4 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (7/8/2007 6:54:42 PM)

I drove a S4 with what I believe is the DSG tranny or what I like to call "sport shift". What I do not like about my experience is that the car tells the driver when it is at propper reves for a down shift. For example, comming hard into corners I wanted to shift down, I hit the paddle and the car would not down shift untill it self preservation computer said that it was at the revs that it liked. I couldn't believe that a car like this is going to tell me how to drive!!!! So i tried it numerous times and over and over again it would not shift down untill it was ready. I'm open to any coments on my experience with DSG but I'll stick with my RS4 6 speed and good rev matching, avoiding the rev limiter. 

GibRS4 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (7/25/2007 10:19:47 AM)

Hi all,
I think that some people are missing the point of what the new RS4(B7) is all about, its a very sporty macho looking Car with awesome Raw power, great handling & fantastic Interior to match, its the perfect Car for Petrol heads, with all those characteristics, it should only come in a Manual Gearbox. I've had my RS4 Avant for nearly 9 Months now, & is by far the best Car I have ever driven, I had an RS6 Avant before that, which was a great Car as well, if your looking for Raw power with the nice relaxing drive of a DSG/Tiptronic style Gearbox, that is the Car to have, the only problem that I found with these style of Auto/DSG Boxes, is that the Car does'nt feel as controllable & runs away with itself with the amount of power the Cars have, the handling seems to go out the window then, therfore not as much fun to drive as the Manual Box, they are more for straightline speed. The new RS6 is going to be intresting, as my local Audi Dealer has told me that it will have 585BHP as Standard, with plans of a 'PLUS' Version that will have somewhere near 680BHP, it will probably be a Tiptronic style Gearbox again.  

avantgradeA6 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (11/30/2007 6:09:09 PM)

DSG is unbelievable (check out the video on googole of how exactly it works), I've drivin the new R32, so fun, it's like driving an F1 car(kinda[;)]) faster shifting than manual, I would assume that they will eventually use it on the RS4,6 &8, once better perfected for ultra high horsepower numbers. It's basically the best comsumer transmission in the world.  but on the other hand I can very well see how some would not like it, I mean traditional manual tramsmission have a feel that cannot be replicated without a foot clutch. There is one caveat of the DSG: how will it hold up, and what will furture repairs be like??  But with something so new obvious problems may occur, only time will tell.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2491445337871038412&q=DSG&total=2220&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

200mph -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (12/14/2007 9:07:06 AM)

Our Audi rep reminds that the RS6 was only ofered in the US with a tiptronic... and everybody screamed because they wanted a manual.  So, here's your manual box in the RS4. 

The DSG in the A3 and TT is not capable of handling the RS4's torque, and the R8 R-Tronic wont fit.
Have to wait for the next generation RS car to inquire about a DSG.

PeterF -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (12/14/2007 5:35:35 PM)

I don't understand this reliance on automatic transmission.
And don't tell me this tiptronic or DSG is not an automatic transmission,
since even in manual mode the system is shifting down if you use full throttle.
And does anybody know whether the car stays in gear when you step off the throttle or is it just rolling like any automatic transmission?
Yes, this is another advantage of manual transmission: That you cannot accidentally get to a high speed when your foot is off the throttle,
e.g. by rolling down a hill.

In Europe 90% of cars are with manual transmission.
Even my 65 year old mom is driving a car with manual transmission.
And she does not equate full throttle with high RPM.
And she appreciates that the engine is breaking the car when she is rolling down a hill.

The RS4 is a macho car.
If you need your wife to drive it, teach her how to use a manual transmission.
She is on the intelligence level like most people in europe so she should be able to learn it.

Batteries -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (12/14/2007 6:19:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeterF
I don't understand this reliance on automatic transmission.
And don't tell me this tiptronic or DSG is not an automatic transmission,
since even in manual mode the system is shifting down if you use full throttle.
And does anybody know whether the car stays in gear when you step off the throttle or is it just rolling like any automatic transmission?
Yes, this is another advantage of manual transmission: That you cannot accidentally get to a high speed when your foot is off the throttle,
e.g. by rolling down a hill.

In Europe 90% of cars are with manual transmission.
Even my 65 year old mom is driving a car with manual transmission.
And she does not equate full throttle with high RPM.
And she appreciates that the engine is breaking the car when she is rolling down a hill.


Here we go, another manual crazed "car purist" that denounces the existance of automatics.

Tell me something, have you ever driven a DSG or even a Tiptronic? The comments that you made indicate that you don't even know how the systems work.

I have a Tiptronic S4 right now. In Tiptronic mode I can tell you right now that it holds gears when you step off the throttle. It'll hold 4th from 80mph down to 0, ONLY shifting to 1st when you come to a complete stop. You can shift down and use engine braking to slow down the car as well. So there go your main arguments against driver shiftable "automatics." And the last "problem" that you state is also incorrect. You cannot "accidentally" get to high speed if your foot is off the throttle if you are actually keeping track of which gear you're in.  The only time the transmission takes over is if you literally slam the pedal to the floor, and this is in the "outdated" Tiptronics. DSG is much more advanced.

I like manual transmissions just as much as the next enthusiast, but denouncing modern day driver oriented automatics like DSG as being completely worthless is a bit of an ignorant point of view.

AML 225 -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (12/15/2007 8:37:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GibRS4


I think that some people are missing the point of what the new RS4(B7) is all about, its a very sporty macho looking Car with awesome Raw power, great handling & fantastic Interior to match, its the perfect Car for Petrol heads, with all those characteristics, it should only come in a Manual Gearbox.  


Bottom line. As much as you THINK 'high end' sports cars should be ONLY manual... manual is a dying technology. Look at formula one, manual is inferior to sequential technology. Ferrari's new F430 Scuderia shifts (auto clutch in to auto clutch release) in 60 milliseconds. That's faster than any human. It means you never have to take your hands off the wheel around a track and it provides perfect downshifts every time with computer controlled rev-matching. There is of course a learning curve so don't hate one if you've only driven in one a few times.

I admit nothing is as rewarding as a perfect heal-toe downshift in a manual, the fact of the matter is as far as performance a decent sequential box (such as Ferrari's F1 Superfast system) is better. The only question is can Audi/BMW/etc. provide said decent box.

PeterF -> RE: RS4 with DSG....... (12/16/2007 3:41:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Batteries
Here we go, another manual crazed "car purist" that denounces the existance of automatics.



I actually appreciated DSG features, like
  • the faster switching speed than manual,
  • that mistakes (like switching into a too small gear or not switching fully into a gear) are prevented
  • that you cannot stall the car anymore

But I was disabused of this notion when I first time drove it (in manual mode) and the machine did not want to switch into higher gear when I was using full throttle (which is like I usually drive) and that it did not stay in gear when I used full throttle but automatically switched into lower gear. This fully ruined this feature for me. I'll gladly change my RS4 against one with DSG when this is fixed. To create such an ambigious way of switching gears even in manual mode looks kind of crazy to me. Until this is fixed I would not appreciate a RS4 with DSG, since you cannot use full throttle and exploit the torque of the engine at low or medium RPM. It would look kind of ridiculous to me to have such a good engine and pait it with such a transmission.

  

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