RE: 2.7T vs Mustang
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 3/31/2008 4:13:52 PM
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Sephiroth
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I did take it serious. My bad. It's so hard reading sarcasm.....I need a class.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 9:40:04 AM
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ive been reading this thread and laughing my ass of! WOW! Ok guys let me start with this: audi is a very nice car in many aspects, quatro system is awesome, beautifull interior, good handling in all weather conditions, nise body lines. NOW. thanx for showing ur love towards mustangs and as priveous 03 cobra owner i got some surprises for u guys. First of all, as a sport car audi is no match for a mustang. U take an average A6 against average mustang gt and gt will take it. Plus finding a stock gt these days its like finding a virgin. And even moded, after spending over $10k on your ko4 setup stock gt with $4k kenne bell setup will take u like u were standing. U do have huge adventage in a 1/4 by having quatro system and still stock for stock, moded for moded gt will take u. Aftermarket for mustangs is so huge and considerably cheap. I do like audi as a 4 door luxury sport sedan but please lets not get cared away. mustang built to be moded and u be surpised how chep and easy it is. I got stock 03 cobra with midlenth headers, that put down 395 hp at the wheels. After custom tune with increase of boost from 8 to 10.5psi ($395 installed), 3'' catback ($425) and K&N ram air intake system ($175) my cobra dynoes 483 rwhp. thats close to 90 whp for less then $1000 instaled and tuned. Ran low 12s all day long on street tires with me driving it. Another $400-$500 put me in high 11s. On the higway iv been beating c5 zo6s, 6.ol gtos, moded stis, evos, tons of civics, vw, srt4, srt8s couple of vipers. With another $2k in maximum motorsport syspension components it will handle at 160 like stock at 60.
And bragin about beating v6 mustang is like picking on retarded kid. we all know they suck.
So how about u try out srt8, cobras, 6.0l gtos, vettes, srt4, evos, wrxs and let me know how it goes.....make sure its not a chick driving it.
And dont get me wrong a6 is a great car and even better daily driver.....but if u want to realy go fast u may want to get something lighter and with more balls, less costy maintance and performance parts.
Thats my 5 cents in this forum.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 11:38:09 AM
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event
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Wow, the numbers being thrown are great! Yes the Cobra and GT are fast, and have nice body styling, but the interior is generic typical ford out of the bin components.
People look at the exterior and think the car looks aggressive and clean, then they get in and think Americans just can't design nice interiors for the life of 'em.
Plus the suspenion is horrible across the board; it's stone age, dating back to the 70's even on the "Cobra", solid rear axle, you're kidding me right... people are always bragging about driving at high speeds in straight lines, who cares.
You couldn't beat any of those cars you mentioned on a winding road, track any Mustang and ride around some cones see how good you do.
This is so stupid, my first post too...
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 1:04:14 PM
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Blah blah blah mustang, blah blah blah cheap, blah blah blah fast, blah blah blah racing....
Mustang is a mustang is a mustang is a mustang!!! Sure, I could spend money on making a ****ty car better.... OR.... I could buy a REALLY NICE car and spend money to make it EVEN NICER.... Get it?
Who cares if you make a stock GT into a rip roaring window shattering baby scaring machine.... there's not much else you CAN do with it besides mod it or crash it.
Audi, however, offers me a choice.
1.) Drive my car easy and comfortably safe while still displaying style and grace.
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2.) Mod my Audi and make it into something most people have never seen before while still maintaining its sex appeal.
Mod'd Audi > Mod'd Ford
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 1:23:41 PM
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First of all, as a sport car audi is no match for a mustang. U take an average A6 against average mustang gt and gt will take it. Plus finding a stock gt these days its like finding a virgin. And even moded, after spending over $10k on your ko4 setup stock gt with $4k kenne bell setup will take u like u were standing. U do have huge adventage in a 1/4 by having quatro system and still stock for stock, moded for moded gt will take u. Aftermarket for mustangs is so huge and considerably cheap. I do like audi as a 4 door luxury sport sedan but please lets not get cared away. mustang built to be moded and u be surpised how chep and easy it is. I got stock 03 cobra with midlenth headers, that put down 395 hp at the wheels. After custom tune with increase of boost from 8 to 10.5psi ($395 installed), 3'' catback ($425) and K&N ram air intake system ($175) my cobra dynoes 483 rwhp. thats close to 90 whp for less then $1000 instaled and tuned. Ran low 12s all day long on street tires with me driving it. Another $400-$500 put me in high 11s. On the higway iv been beating c5 zo6s, 6.ol gtos, moded stis, evos, tons of civics, vw, srt4, srt8s couple of vipers. With another $2k in maximum motorsport syspension components it will handle at 160 like stock at 60.
And bragin about beating v6 mustang is like picking on retarded kid. we all know they suck.
So how about u try out srt8, cobras, 6.0l gtos, vettes, srt4, evos, wrxs and let me know how it goes.....make sure its not a chick driving it.
And dont get me wrong a6 is a great car and even better daily driver.....but if u want to realy go fast u may want to get something lighter and with more balls, less costy maintance and performance parts.
Thats my 5 cents in this forum.
The first bolded sentence makes me laugh, sorry I don't mean laugh at you.. I actually owned a mustang before and sold it wihtin a year.. It was a the biggest piece of junk I had ever own. I liked my fiat Uno 60 better! The car is a staight line car only and even then a GT is not that fast! The engine is not efficient in its power output considering the displacement. The mustang is a wanabe sport car. A Sport car should NOT BE THAT HEAVY and handle this bad! Suspension sucks. The brakes were not that good either. it only looked like a sport car. I have to admit the new model is light years ahead of the previous one but it is still not a good sport car IMO.
And just to be clear the A6 never pretended to be a sport car though mine can outrun and outhandle a GT. Personally I did not buy an A6 to run 1/4 mile track events, few of us did... We would have picked the wrong car. it is a four door sedan weighing almost 4000 lbs, loses 25% of its power thru its quattro drivetrain (you said advantage above in your post?) especially in TIP version.
And oh my god, the mustang interior is horrible...
Knowing that I have a good looking car that has one of the best interior in the industry, with enough room to haul my 3 little ones and my wife with luggage and that it handles better than most sport car wannabes while stil beating most at a red light or on the hwy... I am happy with my choice and will most happily concede a 1/4 mile race to a crappy but heavily modded mustang.
That being said, the stang offers a lot for the $ and has a different target audience in the car market
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 1:28:35 PM
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BTW this thread is like the energizer bunny, it keeps going and going and going....
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/8/2008 5:40:04 PM
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man...this thing just goes on and on and on......
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 3:06:47 AM
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Well mustangs may not have best intereor in its class however they not to bad, i can leave with my "****y" intereor and my "****y" italian seude and leather seats that still retail used for over $1.2k, knowing that i can beat something that is worth lots more money. And seriously, hom many people race on the "twisties"? Most of them end up on the side of the road anyway. Actualy not all the mostangs got straight axel..... 03-04 cobras were factory standart with IRS and 3.55 gears that some people running stock with close to 600rwtq. And i thought this forum was about beating a mustang on straight line. Actualy a well build, all around fox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
Im agree, that this two cars are different class, thats why i just got my 2.7t A6. For me A6 is a daily beater, luxurios, comfy, stylish, safe, quatro for a bad weather and yet its still lil faster than most of the traffic out on the street. But when weekends come, and its nice and sunny outside thats when i roll out my cobra to play. And if we would cross on the highway you wouldnt stand a chance, A6 ko4 or rs6. And thats just facts.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 7:11:18 AM
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The Cobra you said you don't have anymore? The Cobra you're selling? Or the Cobra you drive on the weekends...
and no an A6 costing less money after being tuned/modded, would take a fox body and your average Cobra of compairable cost, beat 'em in corners and straight lines too, a 2000+ A6 only cost $10k+.
Adding Bolt ons and mods spending money to match the cost of the vehicles your compairing it to, the A6 would win and look better inside and out doing it. We aren't talking about a $40k 2008 A6 here, never were. A 2003 Cobra cost about $25k+, that's $15k that can be thrown into the A6, the Cobra would be detroyed.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 10:51:30 AM
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...yeah the cobra i had to sell ufortenatly, needed money for the house/ Funny, i got it two years ago for $21k, put about no more then $2k into it, about 35k miles, took it to a drag strip almost every weekend and the only thing i had to spend money on is gas and tires! Try that with your audi. Every where i go i got atention, thumbs up, and nothing but complements. And after 2 years i sold the car for $23k. Next year starting hunt for a turbo '04 cobra.......750rwhp on 21psi.....?
And EVENT, u must be smoking crak...... these days u can find a low milage kenne bell or whimpled cobra with near 600rwhp doing high 10s in a 1/4 for about $25k. lets face it your 4000+ lb A6 with 25% drivetrain loss and endless list of isues after more than 350hp will not stand a chance up against an average 475-500 rwhp cobra, and please dont say u better at the twisties, how many times did u took your car to and actual road track?
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 11:28:37 AM
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I never said I was, I said the car itself was, why the hell would I race my beloved daily driver? If I wanna race it'll be in something small and fun, like my gen 2 teg I flipped 3 months ago.
Honestly I think racing on the streets is retarded, I just enjoy driving fast, as long as I'm the only one in the car.
This whole argument is crazy, so lets just leave alone. Fast cars are great and there is always someone/thing faster.
Hell if I could afford it I'd say the f*ck with all this and cop me the new GTR that's finally coming to the states, $70k is a lot to ask though.
Holla!
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 12:09:23 PM
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70 ... i went to the dealer the other day n they are at 120k haha^^^^^
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 12:11:47 PM
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u put 15 k into a 10k audi and you can say bye bye cobra ... thats a fact ... my cousin has an s4 that he has put about 20+ grand into and it destroys all ... he had to get a roll cage n 5 point safety harness in it to take it to the track bc they kicked him off
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 12:28:06 PM
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15k in an Audi = Overkill!!!!
I could only imagine how much better I could make my car if I had 15k to spend on it... jesus.
Serioudly though, mod'ing a Mustang is like... putting rims on a Taurus. There's not much else you can do.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 12:48:45 PM
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i just said 15 k be mustang = 25k used audi = 10 k used and you would have 15 grand to do whatever ud like with if you were compairing the two
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 2:20:37 PM
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Listen....I love my A6, and I also have nothing against Mustangs, but there are vast differences between the two.
If you want refinement, comfort, a quiet polished ride, a boatload of amenities, and smooth acceleration with fantastic grip and handling….get an Audi.
If you want raw tire smoking power, then go ahead and grab a Mustang.
There is only one problem….Mustangs can’t turn! They STILL use the very dated and obsolete solid rear axle due to Ford’s refusal to give the new Mustang what it deserves. Yes the older style SVT Cobra had IRS, but they also suffered from broken half shafts to the point it was clear Ford had no idea how to properly setup a rear end on a performance car. Meanwhile aftermarket tuners like Roush seem to do just fine, and they can produce a car with a properly setup rear end that is far superior to anything Ford can do themselves.
I don’t know if anyone here watches the show Top Gear, but they took out a brand spankin’ new Mustang Shelby GT500 and it was embarrassing. Yes it sounds mean with the supercharger whine and tuned exhaust. Yes it has tons of power on tap and yes the straight line acceleration is amazing, but put that thing into a corner…..any corner, and it falls apart. They raced it through their standard course and it came in at 1:30:00 - below cars with 150 fewer horsepower. It came in below the EVO (1:28:9), it was below the WRX (1:29:4), and it was even below a W12 GTI (1:29:6) that they openly admitted was absolutely unmanageable in the corners, yet it still beat the Mustang.
And just look at the company it keeps….at 1:30:1 you have the regular (non WRX) Subaru Impreza with 281hp (about 220 LESS than the Mustang), and at 1:30:4 you have the VW Golf R32…..a car that has 250 FEWER HORSEPOWER!!!!!!
Yes….congratulations Mustang fans – you have a real winner there.
And does anyone still wonder why Ford LOST $2.7 BILLION last year?
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 4:02:49 PM
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 11:02:12 PM
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after reading this thread ive lost a lot of respect for audi owners in general, you people have what i like to call honda syndrome, you think that your little grocery getter, designed for the middle aged woman/college student is high performance vehicle, and oooo you have the quatro system, that must mean you have the best car ever made hands down, the only person i know that owns an audi says its unreliable and hes been putting a lot of cash into it to buy overpriced foreign parts, sure it can handle good but on any twisties / roadcoarse theres gonna be at least some amout of strait away in it and thats where the mustang will gain the lead, 99-04 cobras have irs, people break halfshafts launching hard at high power, its not a ford problem its like this will all irs vehicles, 500rwhp + launching at 4500 rpms consistently is gonna break something eventually, its not like its a 200 hp a/4 or something, how can any of you bash a car that youve never driven or riden in before? theres nothing thrilling about going 1/4 in 16 seconds
have fun sinking 10k into your cute little cars trying to run with 03-04 cobras with 1500 bucks in them
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 11:14:25 PM
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If you think 60-to-100 feels fast in a stock 2.7T, try chipping it. You get pushed back into the seat and it's in triple figures in no time. And I rarely bother to downshift - just leave in it 6th.
Good job on the win.
lmao
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/9/2008 11:32:42 PM
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Actualy a well build, all around fox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
LOL.
Why the hell are you comparing a huge 4 door sedan to a Mustang Cobra? Do you know what an s4 with ko4's, Stage3++ would do to most of your mullet mobile cobras runnin. Good job comparing fords fastest production car of the year to a more roomier 4 door sedan. Lets compare the ford countour to a RS6.
That top gear episode was hilarious. They used a sharpie to write ALMOST after the gt500 because it was significantly short of its advertised 500bhp.
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/10/2008 4:08:40 AM
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ORIGINAL: madrussian
Actualy a well build, all around fox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
LOL.
Why the hell are you comparing a huge 4 door sedan to a Mustang Cobra? Do you know what an s4 with ko4's, Stage3++ would do to most of your mullet mobile cobras runnin. Good job comparing fords fastest production car of the year to a more roomier 4 door sedan. Lets compare the ford countour to a RS6.
That top gear episode was hilarious. They used a sharpie to write ALMOST after the gt500 because it was significantly short of its advertised 500bhp.
Yes u absolutley right, A6 and cobra....any mustang in general is different cars. And this is my point, to be ****ing all over other car that can go faster just so u can feel better about slower car that u have. The new C6 ZO6 is a pure beast even in stock form, and yet i dont go braging abot how much it costs, thats its chevy, uncomfartable and noisy and so on......New ZO6 is simply better and thats it. Same for your A6, its a good car for the money and has something that mustang dont, but its defenatly not the power. And i drove both A6 and bunch of different mustangs, from stock v6 to a turboed cobra and fun factor its defenatly goes to mustang. If u look at the comfort, room, safety its defenatly A6 and thats what they designed for.
"This setup made 890 RWHP at 21.8 Psi on a Mustang dyno. The power is still climbing nicely at 6600 with no sign of peaking! MAF pegged up top on the 21.8 psi pull. So we were done until a MAF setup capable of more power is installed. Plan was to go back an hit 1000, that was before I decided to sell it.
The turbo/motor set up should make 1000+ fairly easily with an HPX maf sensor and 24-25 psi (the sensor change would require re-tune). The set-up showed no signs of being closed to maxed out.
This car is just plain fun to drive and down right scary to ride in. Drivability is excellent,better than stock IMO. Jon Lund even commented on how nicely it ran compared to similar set ups. It has as not seen over 17psi with the TT set up except on the dyno, no need for more on the street. It made 765 on at 17psi. The car is just plain retarded on 17psi.
Here is a build thread.."
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469870 <<<<check this out
yes he asks $45k for it but its less then a price tag on RS6 and no A6 S6 RS6 S4 RS4 or even new audi supercar, i think its R8, will stand a chance up against it on the higway, 1/4. On twisties its too much power. And there a lot of 700+ rwhp turbo cobras that do 9s and run all year long with no problems for about $30k.......
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/10/2008 4:43:59 AM
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 KB cobra, audi s4 TT Goat 04 cobra pullied
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RE: 2.7T vs Mustang - 4/10/2008 4:48:07 AM
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