Agreed. The diehard Mustang fans ignore the most obvious point....that 99.9% of your driving isn't "racing" but is simply going from point A to point B.
I don't care how fast a Mustang will go in a straight line....that isn't the point because unless you are planning to take it to a dragstrip that does you absolutely no good whatsoever. The real world involves corners, and I would much rather have an Audi for my daily commute than a Ford. Hands down - no question whatsoever.
They are merely two different classes of cars. If the only measurement of automobiles was horsepower or straight line acceleration, everyone would own a car with a supercharged V8, but this is the real world where 'performance' is so much more. The fact is, as much as anyone here has bragged up their mustangs, I could spend half that much on a Sportbike from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Ducatti and beat it not only in the 1/4, but 0-60, 0-100, 100-0, skidpad, road coarse, cornering, handling....you name it. So if someone is really concerned with how fast they can go and that is their only goal - then they better ditch the car for the bike. Otherwise, their comparison is flawed.
In any case, I would much rather have something that can seat four adults comfortably and something that has four doors. For anyone who has kids or a family, a two door Mustang makes absolutely no sense, and besides impressing your PBR drinking NASCAR buddies they really aren't very practical. In a perfect world maybe we all would have 10 car garages so we could have such a car simply for Sunday drives, but for a daily driver the Mustang simply doesn't hold up against most other cars on the market today, and anyone with a non-biased non-blue oval love affair, could see that.
The ironic thing is we have people trolling Audi forums just to bash Audis and brag about Mustangs. That should tell you something about the character and intelligence of some of these Mustang fans right there.
Agreed. The diehard Mustang fans ignore the most obvious point....that 99.9% of your driving isn't "racing" but is simply going from point A to point B.
I don't care how fast a Mustang will go in a straight line....that isn't the point because unless you are planning to take it to a dragstrip that does you absolutely no good whatsoever. The real world involves corners, and I would much rather have an Audi for my daily commute than a Ford. Hands down - no question whatsoever.
They are merely two different classes of cars. If the only measurement of automobiles was horsepower or straight line acceleration, everyone would own a car with a supercharged V8, but this is the real world where 'performance' is so much more. The fact is, as much as anyone here has bragged up their mustangs, I could spend half that much on a Sportbike from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Ducatti and beat it not only in the 1/4, but 0-60, 0-100, 100-0, skidpad, road coarse, cornering, handling....you name it. So if someone is really concerned with how fast they can go and that is their only goal - then they better ditch the car for the bike. Otherwise, their comparison is flawed.
In any case, I would much rather have something that can seat four adults comfortably and something that has four doors. For anyone who has kids or a family, a two door Mustang makes absolutely no sense, and besides impressing your PBR drinking NASCAR buddies they really aren't very practical. In a perfect world maybe we all would have 10 car garages so we could have such a car simply for Sunday drives, but for a daily driver the Mustang simply doesn't hold up against most other cars on the market today, and anyone with a non-biased non-blue oval love affair, could see that.
The ironic thing is we have people trolling Audi forums just to bash Audis and brag about Mustangs. That should tell you something about the character and intelligence of some of these Mustang fans right there.
You guys are hopeless. im not saying that audi is trash, im trying to tell u that it two different cars build for different purpose. And i do admit that a6 is a better daily driver, however as far as a performance car, for drag, or street or highway mustang is better. Its not a best handling car in the world and it does have a traction and oversteer problem but i never see anyone on the street offer me to race on the twisties. Well i knew 2 guys one with evoIX and another with built up civic Si that were all about twisties.....both of them totaled there cars on a twiestie road. Im not big fan of street racing anymore, however i like to play around on the highways every now and then and on the highway my cobra was handling well enough at 140-150 mph with stock suspension. however closer to 160 it feels more and more like a big boat. $300 H&R race springs will cure that. And its ok to post that u raced some one and beat him but dont **** all over the other car just because it goes faster. And if u consider ur beeng batter at the road track, well next time u see a cobra reving next to u, just dont race him on the straight adn ofer him to follow u to a local road track.
And if u race with people in the back, or even better, your kids.....im sorry you are just playing retarded. I dont whant to go faster then a 100 with my wife in pasenger sit with the helmet and a 5 point harnes around her.
Bikes are different things, however there are cobras out there that racing bikes....and leave them behind. U can get a bike if u want too..... but think about this: if in a car u get in an acident, chances are- u going to WALK away from it..... if u get in an acident in a bike, chances are- u going to be bared in a closed casket.
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lmao thats probably the ugliest dash set up ive ever seen, all of the interior arguments are stupid, you have plastic dashes also, atleast cobras have suede seats
what i cant afford lol, i could trade my car strait up for probalby two of these grocery getters, not that id ever do that since i dont make many trips to publix or kroger
You guys are hopeless. im not saying that audi is trash, im trying to tell u that it two different cars build for different purpose. And i do admit that a6 is a better daily driver, however as far as a performance car, for drag, or street or highway mustang is better.
I openly stated the cars are built for different purposes.....so why am I 'hopeless'? As far as I'm concerned, the only hopeless people here are the ones who go on to an Audi forum and try to pretend a Mustang is the best car on the planet. Opinions vary, but this isn't the place for bragging about a Mustang, and in the scope of things.....Mustangs are NOT performance cars.
All the racing arguments are moot - because we aren't condoning street racing (this isn't a Civic forum), and drag racing is about as fun to watch as women's basketball. Thanks, but no thanks - I would much rather watch a rally race or IRL any day of the week.
My point about the bike was merely to show how childish, and shallow-minded some people are being by stating how superior the Mustang is simply because it has gobs of power in a straight line. You give me a built bike next to a built Mustang any day of the week and I can promise you the bike will pull away in a drag race.....and do it for less money. Stock to stock - it wouldn't even be a chore. In all the years I have been riding I only had one car that ever came close to matching my acceleration on a stock bike and that was from an obviously modified Vette, however even he wasn't able to match me.
The bottom line is this.....yes they are two different cars, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't have a problem with someone pointing that out, but what I do have a problem with is people who come on to a AUDI A6 DISCUSSION BOARD and start bashing Audis. That is nothing short of trolling......and it is pathetic.
Ford's Mustang is a coupe with rear wheel drive and different variants which make it either
1.) A slow car for high school kids 2.) A decent car for a college kid 3.) A weekend hobby car 4.) A straight line disaster on wheels
Audi's in general offer many variants such as
1.) The slow and steady reliable V6 30v 2.) The quick enough 2.7t 3.) The powerful V8 4.2 4.) And then the RS class cars
Mustangs are in no way shape or form performance cars. Performance cars never have to say "only highway or drag racing." That's call a street rod. Mustangs can be MADE INTO street rods. That's cool if that's what you're into. Safety will always be a concern for you when you're driving a car with 500+ bhp on the street. That's up to you.
Audis are luxury cars with the ADDED BENEFIT of speed. This means the Audi can go fast if it needs to, but will also keep you out of a ditch should it happen to start raining on that highway you mustang drivers are always talking about.
Ford's are incomparable to Audi's. It's seriously like comparing getting a blowjob to having sex. it's all about what you prefer to be doing at the time...
I personally prefer my 6 way heated power leather seats, 6 disc CD changer, in dash CD player, Bose sound system, all wheel drive, and all that other good stuff the Audi name stands for.
If I ever decide that I want to go in a straight line at insane speeds and take my life into my hands, I'll buy a Mustang and crank it up to 800 whatever horses with some crazy engine set up.
BTW.... that AntiV6 guy is a tool. He obviously has no real clue about how much the Audis we are talking about cost or are capable of either. At least we admit the mustang can have crazy speed and power. But a tuned RS4 or RS6 is just plain scary as well. Hell the S4 is like.... the killer Audi is every sense of the word. I've been in the crazy mustangs with the 550bhp V8 rocker engine sticking out fo the hood. I know how scary that sh*t is launching at a red light. Just not for me.
ORIGINAL: antiv6 lmao thats probably the ugliest dash set up ive ever seen, all of the interior arguments are stupid, you have plastic dashes also, atleast cobras have suede seats
Comparing this...
to an Audi interior? Yeah that's a Cobra SVT interior, generic at best.
With that said and shown you're a retard, go to a dealership and sit in anykind of Audi with any option package and you will see how lame the Mustang interior is.
How can every auto review site and every owner of an Audi be wrong, the interior and amenities are top notch, classed as being luxurious and sporty.
You are clearly a tolling idiot with no life. You don't own an Audi and you troll an Audi site to bash, get a life, you probably don't even own a decent car.
I'm at work for the number one developer of aviation in the world with a beautiful Audi in the humunguous parking lot waiting for me to get home.
What the hell are you doing? Being a troll. Sad.
Holla!
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It is not just "us" saying that Audi interior are top notch. Every single Audi review or comparo with an Audi in it will say how Audis interiors are the best in the industry, most use the word "benchmark".. there is a reason why everyone says the same thing... even the magazines or TV shows that are pro BMW will agree to that! There's just no denying it. Now the colors of a specific interior or material choice of a customer are a mattr of taste. I don't particularly likethe combo in the pic above but it is the bext material, fit and finish you'll find... well I am excluding some of those super fancy hand made interiors in >150k cars
ORIGINAL: madrussian You guys are hopeless. im not saying that audi is trash, im trying to tell u that it two different cars build for different purpose. And i do admit that a6 is a better daily driver, however as far as a performance car, for drag, or street or highway mustang is better. Its not a best handling car in the world and it does have a traction and oversteer problem
OK that is the only part a Mustang is goos at and in 90% cases better than an Audi, which is fine by me. Most people here don't drag their A6 and if they do it is causally and seldom I would guess. I still struggle with calling the Mustang a performance car, it just does not feel and drive like one though yes it can be made one or kinda anyway, mostly for drags. I have been in the twisties with a mustang and it was pittiful how the car handled just trying to keep up wiht us lifting of the gas to keep it fair. There actually are plentif of Mustang and Corvette drivers who go ride in the blue ridge parkway on the week-end. I was very impressed by the later years Corvettes. Never seen a good Mustang in the twisties there... but i am sure I will one day. I certainly don't think the Mustang is better on the street. Hwy... well is lik dragging all about straight line so maybe but I am not sure that things like lane changes are their forte either...
YOu can say that again! Oh my god their set up are horrific although I have had the privilege :) of sitting in the passenger seat of a Cobra and it was much better than the GT by far. It did have acceptable handling but not up to the car's power and potential...not enough to be called a sports car or performance car IMO merely due to the fact it is not up the car's power. FORD just does not get it... and then there is the weight!!! Those things weigh a lot for... performance cars! Lighter is better! Lotus got that! Great chassis and light weight.
I just love to keep this going, I usually don't but got time this week since I am off work! Energizer bunny thread...! We might still be debating this pointless topic next year:)
Madrussian I love how the GTO in your first video is right on par with the Cobras running 50 and 100+ shots. Just saying GTO beats mustang everyday of the week $ for $. I have an 06 and I have absolutly no complaints. Except its as ugly as it is fast. But thats kinda how it was designed. Sleeper and such. Nothing a few hundred in body kits can't fix!
Madrussian I love how the GTO in your first video is right on par with the Cobras running 50 and 100+ shots. Just saying GTO beats mustang everyday of the week $ for $. I have an 06 and I have absolutly no complaints. Except its as ugly as it is fast. But thats kinda how it was designed. Sleeper and such. Nothing a few hundred in body kits can't fix!
well, friend of mine got a 6.0l goat....full exhaust, throtle body, intake, tune. At 4000+lb it is no match for an '03-'04 cobra. Every time he tryed me, he lost, dig, drag, highway. Unless u got some kind of power adder, its pointless.
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And im not trashing audiforums, i think audi is a preaty good car, i mean thats why i got A6. But u guys **** allover mustangs, most of you never even been in one. And especialy cobra, im not to mutch in a new shelby, but absolutley love '03-'04 svt cobras. Easy to mod, very vast, indestructable, and handles just fine on the streets. 13' brembos work fine for me, u want more for$1200 u can get cobra R brake kit wich was made by brembo fro track use. It has bilsten shocks and struts all around, dont like those get yourself adjustablesfor about $500, once again install is fairly easy. Then get a set of H&R race springs for $300 and its more then anough to hande well on the street. Rearend is good to about 600rwtq, and axels do snap most of the time at the drag srtip when u put a set of slicks on and lunch around 4.5k. Get a set level 5s for about $1k and they can go over 800-900rwtq easily. Trany is tremeck T5, same as vettes, vipers, they call it buletproof for a reason, all u need is a good clutch and short shifter.
How many of u were inside of a well build'03-'04 cobra? And if something goes wrong with it u dont need thousands and thousands of dollars to fix it. 85k service for A6 is what close or more then $2000? And thats for a 8 year old car that u can find for about $11k?????
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I can't speak for others, but yes I have been in many Mustangs, including the current style GT, a GT500, the older body style Cobra and even a new Foose model (I was there for the official release). I have also spent a LOT of time in several 1960s models which in my opinion are the only Mustangs worth owning since Ford has never been able to improve upon them.
Yes people are hard on Mustangs, but for good reason. First, a Mustang isn't even in the same class as an Audi, thus (as we have both already said) they are built for two different purposes. Someone who enjoys and owns an Audi A6 sedan and goes out of their way to post on this board is not likely to be the same type of person who admires or respects a Mustang not because they are bad cars, but because the purpose of such a car is so vastly different from an A6. Think about it....what is a Mustang really good for? Are they comfortable highway and commuter cars? Not really. Are they good family vehicles? Absolutely not. Are they good on gas and plush and comfortable? No. Do they have boatloads of power and the ability of smoking their tires and making impressive runs down a 1/4 mile strip? You bet.....but honestly - what good is that for a vehicle on the street that is used as a daily driver?
You also need to acknowledge that the comments against Mustangs in this thread are primarily geared towards the V6 model - nobody was really referring to a SVT Cobra as that is an entirely different beast. I have nothing against Mustangs and have been tempted to buy one in the past, but honestly they are simply impractical for most of us and unless you have one as a second car they really don't make that much sense for the average person. I think of most Mustangs like a two seater convertible. Sure they would be fun....but are they really practical? Not really - but they would make a nice second car.
All that being said, even you must admit that for the average person an A6 is a vastly superior car than a Mustang.....because if you didn't, you wouldn't own an A6 and have that SVT Cobra up for sale.
Been in Mustangs V6 (POS), GT, and a SVT... I actually was impressed byt he power of the SVT but that's it! Notihng else. If i was into 1/4 mile racing, would I buy one? Maybe? not sure... There are others to consider... It sure has potential for 1/4 mile.
But I am not into just doing 1/4 miles and if I had $ for a performance acr for week-ends, I would not even consider the Mustang, any of them.
But hey this was all i the name of fun. The SVT is not that bad, it should be the regular GT actually, and the GT the entry level... They should kill the V6 :) Mustang has had a niche in the market so obviously it works for some... to each his own! Sorry you had to sell your SVT, sure it was a fast car.
I did agreed that A6 better as DD, but as a toy car to have fun with mustang is the way to go (at least for me it is). Just same as u wont daily drive a 550 horse viper or new zo6 but it doesnt make them a bad car. I could honestly compare my old cobra to them and the only thing was i dint pay over $50k for it. As far as me getting an A6, like i sad its a good daily beater, gets you from A to B in style and comfort + u can bring ur friends with u. And its not that costy compared to bmw and benz. However the reason i sold my cobra is not that it sucked or i wanted to replace it with something differnt, its just i need more money for a downpayment on my new house and it sold quick for the price that i wanted....but i was almost crying when i passed my keys over. By the way guy who bought it just sold his 6.0l gto to get a svt cobra..... so yeah. And if everything goes good, next year i will be on the market for fully build '04 turboed cobra.
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I cant believe im about to add to this STUPID thread that is never ending.
its all a matter of personal taste... they are both nice cars.... the end of it. if you really want to argue about this whole thing, take a step back and look into the history of both!!!! compare a 67 mustang to a 67 audi, the audi is garbage in that time frame
just drop this thread already, or I will start one named 2.7t VS Trans/am. We have both in my family, and let me tell you the Trans Am will rock the crap out of my audi.... and gets more looks anyday.
Now hopefully this will be the last reply to this thread... let it end please, its posts like this that make me regret buying an audi. Anyways, Cadillacs are better..... ooooohhhhh did I just ad to this never ending thread? Yes I did. Caddy superior to audi.... lets get another 5 pages going
just drop this thread already, or I will start one named 2.7t VS Trans/am. We have both in my family, and let me tell you the Trans Am will rock the crap out of my audi.... and gets more looks anyday.
Is this forum so busy with new posts that this topic somehow is a problem? Otherwise I fail to see why anyone cares....if you don't wish to participate in this topic, then by all means don't - but if others wish to continue the discussion then so be it.
As to your Trans Am getting more looks.....I can only imagine that is for one of three reasons. Either A: People are trying to see if you are Burt Reynolds, B: People are curious if it is the real KITT from Knight Rider, or B: People are trying to see if the driver is still wearing a mullet.
Personally, I have no admiration of the Trans Am. The 1st generation model was ok but still wasn't quite as nice as the Camaro it shared a platform with, but it seemed after that the styling went downhill fast and by the 90s it was almost comical due to it's extensive use of cheap plastics (both inside and out) and a nose that looked like the Pontiac designers were just trying to see how far they could go before someone at GM actually noticed. I hate to say it, but when most people look at late model Camaro, Firebird, or Trans Am....I don't think it is with admiration, which probably explains why they killed it back in 2002.
The 2009 Camaro looks better than any of them since the 60s, but I'll have to see one in person (and see how it handles) before laying down final judgement. It it is yet another 2-door gas guzzling coupe with tons of power that has no idea how to handle a corner, then it won't earn much praise from me, but if GM can actually produce a car that handles as well as it looks, then I think they just might have a winner.
Opinions vary I guess, but I personally know very few people who think those cars were attractive. Then again, some people bought the Pontiac Aztec and the AMC Pacer too.....so it takes all kinds I suppose.
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When I look at a Tans Am, which I do very often in fact, it is seriously for most of the reasons Costner mentioned. Someone driving an older model in this day and age has some real issues with letting go, or if it's newer they have no taste.
People go out and buy cars and then slap nasty looking body kits on them and ride around getting stares (of disgust), well that's a Trans Am... stock; it comes off the lot with all this crap all over it, who cars how fast it can go in a straight line, it's friggin' ugly.
Cadillac, well those are some great cars, and suvs, and trucks, so yeah. Audi and Caddy should not be compaired in this thread, since I love both, and my head would blow up, so don't don't, k.
Anyways... Cadillac's ARE nice cars. One of the few American brands I stand behind. Love their newer stuff, and even their older stuff is tits. Just been consistently doing good things since I can remember.... with the exception of the Catera... terrible car. Bring back the Cadillac Allante!!
Audi's and Caddy's aren't exactly comparable either, seeing as how Cadillac's are more like... spruced up and much better Chevy's. Their nice, but I wouldn't consider them "top tier" like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Lexus.
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