RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 8:57:15 AM
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Tha H.N.I.C
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Ok so i may be purchasing a 00 2.7T 6mt A6 with just over 100k mi on it, (timing belt just done) it's got an APR chip with the 4 options, rs4 clutch, and lightened flywheel. How would i hold up against my friend's bone stock 06 sti? From a roll? How about a dig? I'm talking about car capability because i already know i'm a better driver than he is.
Have you actually driven the car yet? And if so, did you just test drive it or did you drive it like it was yours?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 9:00:50 AM
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tsbpenguin
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Ok so i may be purchasing a 00 2.7T 6mt A6 with just over 100k mi on it, (timing belt just done) it's got an APR chip with the 4 options, rs4 clutch, and lightened flywheel. How would i hold up against my friend's bone stock 06 sti? From a roll? How about a dig? I'm talking about car capability because i already know i'm a better driver than he is.
Have you actually driven the car yet? And if so, did you just test drive it or did you drive it like it was yours?
I have not driven the specific car but i have driven a chipped a6 6mt. I've also test driven about 3 stock sti's but the thing is i couldnt tell much of a difference so i was hoping the community would shed some light.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 9:02:44 AM
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tsbpenguin
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The other thing that makes the top gear bogus is that it's a JDM STi (2.0 not 2.5) So it's not anywhere near an accurate comparison.
Indeed. I just noticed that he mentions that in the beginning. Good catch.  The STi is a little over-rated anyway, in my opinion. While it is a very fast car, everyone seems to automatically think that it's the king of the streets. Yes, with minor mods it wakes up nicely, but stock it isn't what it's hyped up to be. Fast, but not untouchable.
The STi has decent mod response. Not great. Nothing compared to an evo or a 2.7t. STi's are nowhere near king of the streets. That title would belong to s4's, cobras, and some evo's in my opionion.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 9:14:12 AM
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tsbpenguin
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The STi has decent mod response. Not great. Nothing compared to an evo or a 2.7t. STi's are nowhere near king of the streets. That title would belong to s4's, cobras, and some evo's in my opionion.
This is turning into a two person discussion. Hahah. 
Well, if we are talking REAL kings of the streets here. I'd say Evos, B5 S4s, Terminator Cobras (2003-2004), the ever hated/loved Supra, and the rarely found Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. I've been a passenger in a 3000GT with approx. 450-500 horsepower and it was ludicrously fast.
Haha sorry not to specify clearly. I was also refering to B5 S4 and Termi Cobras. Supras im on the edge about because their 700rwhp would be dead even with about a 550rwhp cobra... And i'm not too impressed with Vr-4's. I've had two friends with them and neither one was anything to awe at. Both made decent power too.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 9:30:09 AM
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Supras im on the edge about because their 700rwhp would be dead even with about a 550rwhp cobra.
Your thread has officially been hijacked by us.....
Just to play the devil's advocate here, are you sure about that? Supras weigh in at about 3200 pounds. Cobras are about the same, so the weight isn't what does it. I'm guessing you mean for an average slow roll/dead stop pull? The only thing that really kills Supras off the line is the insane turbo lag from running a gigantic turbo, which wouldn't affect the Terminator because of the I-don't-know-what-lag-is supercharger. On the highway though, it's a VERY difficult task to beat a 600-700 horsepower Supra with anything. I don't mean to say that it wouldn't happen/hasn't happened, just that it is difficult with a properly tuned Supra.
I also acknowledge that as far as tunablity goes, you can be pushing 800 horsepower in a 2JZ from a Supra and have virtually stock durability, which is still incredibly impressive. It is safe to say that the Supra is a bit of dyno-queen, though.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 9:59:41 AM
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I have to agree, yes the A6 can/could be fast, but the reality is, it's still a luxury sport car, (it is what it is). If you want to race the race cars, go by a race car. Now, I'm talking stock here, The S4 in the video has stock 340hp, so what do you think the STI will do to a A6 with stock 250hp? You get a mod, he gets a mod and the outcome will be the same. Just be happy with what you got, if not get something else.
Ok. First of all, the topic clearly states that he has an APR chip (amongst other performance goodies), so he never claimed to want to race an STi with a stock A6. And not only that, but he also says the he's racing a stock STi, so the whole "you get a mod, he get's a mod" argument is a moot point. In this discussion we are talking about a chipped A6 and it's performance versus a stock STi.
That top gear video doesn't prove much. First of all, the S4 DOES catch up and passes the STi right at the end. (the Evolution is long gone) Second of all, the S4 lost MOST of its ground in the beginning half of the sprint, where the Evo and STi have a very significant weight advantage from a dead stop and are 0-60 monsters because of their ability to literally rip off the line. Low weight + high RPMs + AWD = insanely quick launch, which is where the S4 lost most of its ground.
However! (and this is a big however) if TopGear had done an acceleration test from 75-130, the outcome wouldn't have been exactly the same as it was. The S4 still might not edge out the Evolution, but the STi would have been deep fried. I mean the S4 DID catch up to and pass the STi eventually in the off the line run, which just shows that without all of the ground to make up from a launch, it would have embarassed the STi at higher speeds. This is the same situation with an A6. While it doesn't have all of the power of the V8 S4 (~310 hp vs. ~340), it's torque production is much more linear and instantly there because of the twin turbos.
So, I maintain my theory that at high speeds the A6 does have a smidgen of a chance, and even if it did lose, it would be quite a close loss.
Dag, you acting like I'm talking about your mother or something  , clam down, its just a car, it's not even that serious, nor is it your car. I paid my 2 cents, you can keep the change and the smart ass responce.
How, whats the average 1/4 mile time of a chipped A6?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 10:24:25 AM
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tsbpenguin
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Dag, you acting like I'm talking about your mother or something , clam down, its just a car, it's not even that serious, nor is it your car. I paid my 2 cents, you can keep the change and the smart ass responce.
How, whats the average 1/4 mile time of a chipped A6?
All we're trying to do is point you to the first post and the title clearing up the fact that its a CHIPPED A6 vs a stock STi not a stock one. As for the average 1/4 of a chipped a6, i have no idea but it's quite irrelevant as we've come to the conclusion that the STi has the launch and 0-60 advantage. So it's more of a roll issue than a 1/4 time issue.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 10:29:50 AM
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Since we are on the Supra topic now, a friend of mine had a 1994 Supra (the best year, but he loses points because it an automatic) and he has a full exhaust, including a down pipe. I raced him with my stock 2.7 S-Line from a dead stop. I got the jump on him, but he did run me down, as he was suppose to, but from a roll, he has nuffin on me. I’m kinda feeling what yall are saying about the 2.7 vs. the STI, but he has a hard time beating the STI’s and the SRT4 Neon with his Supra, so I don’t know.
I don’t see what hype about the Supra is anyway. Personally, I would rather have a Twin Turbo Nissan 300ZX or a Mazda RX7 over the Supra any day. They are a lot lighter then the Supra and I know that I’m going to catch a lot of heat from yall, but stock for stock, they are faster than the Supra too.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 12:25:25 PM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 1:00:29 PM
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The hype about supra's is that they can handle an amazing amount of horsepower and torque on their stock internals. Literally a stock supra can handle 800 horsepower. Not many cars can say that. They are also one of the best looking ever made, an opinoin but a warranted one. I also love the rx-7 but it is to small. And they have no torque. While were on the subject though my choice would definitly be a 240sx s15 silvia, fully built sr20 motor with a decent sized turbo. Also a big problem with the 300zx is that their tranny's and drivetrain's suck.
i dont know how much rarer a rx-7 is than a supra, but i think i could believe it.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 1:02:17 PM
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Dont talk about it, be about it. The only way to find out is to race him.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 2:01:22 PM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
over hyped or over rated, there is no way that an chipped A6 is going to beat a stock STI. point blank. a stock STI does a 1/4 mile somewhere in the low 13's. depending on the driver. a stock A6 does the 1/4 mile in what....i'm guessing somewhere in the mid 15's maybe? i'm basing that on the nissan maxima because they are about the same size, hp, and weight. with the weight of the A6, i doubt that a chip is going to knock 3 second of the car. even if you change the tires from all season to summer, i still dont think it will happen. the STI it built to race and the A6 isnt.
btw....a REAL race doesnt isnt from a rolling start. to me, that a cop out. lol...in track and field, they dont start a race from a walking start. horse racing dont start from a walking start.
my point is that you wont win.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 2:10:24 PM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
over hyped or over rated, there is no way that an chipped A6 is going to beat a stock STI. point blank. a stock STI does a 1/4 mile somewhere in the low 13's. depending on the driver. a stock A6 does the 1/4 mile in what....i'm guessing somewhere in the mid 15's maybe? i'm basing that on the nissan maxima because they are about the same size, hp, and weight. with the weight of the A6, i doubt that a chip is going to knock 3 second of the car. even if you change the tires from all season to summer, i still dont think it will happen. the STI it built to race and the A6 isnt.
btw....a REAL doesnt start from a rolling start. to me, that a cop out. lol...in track and field, they dont start a race from a walking start.
Haha mid 15s no. Mid 14s yes. You honestly don't think 70hp and 130 ft lbs would lower a time at least a second? Get real dude its much more of a competition than you think.
Roll races arent a cop out. Just another form. Its not like just because you race from a roll you can ONLY race from a roll. Track and field example, they have different lengths of races. Different people are better at different lengths. Well certain cars are better at certain types of racing. If roll racing is to your advantage, why not do it.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/19/2007 11:36:57 PM
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I liked the whole conversation about an S4 not being able to bean a Supra, ahhh well boys here's two clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RObHVaIj57c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srm89x9-ZZc&mode=related&search=audi%20s4%20supra
Impressive. I wonder, though what the power potential of an S4 is with GT turbos, as opposed to K04s. There will be more lag, but much more total power available. I've seen a VAST setup with GT turbos and I think it made in the neighborhood of 600 horsepower. Kind of surprised they haven't been marketing the heck out of that.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 6:46:56 AM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
Still looking for someone to tell you what you obviously want to hear? Still trying to come to terms with the fact that your friend has a quicker car than the one you are thinking of buying?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 7:10:20 AM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 9:09:05 AM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
Better chance than TSB, but the weight will be a problem.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 9:17:05 AM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
WOW that IS impressive considering the low mod potential of the 4.2!!! 376AWHP!!!!! What dyno? I would think it should the # of HP you have at the crank! I am really impressed Isn't is 340hp crank stock? and the chip+exhaust should 20-30hp!... Anything else on it?
I think you have shot if it is your real AWHP but the auto trany will kill you from a dig... go form a roll
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