RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi?
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 11:12:00 AM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
Still looking for someone to tell you what you obviously want to hear? Still trying to come to terms with the fact that your friend has a quicker car than the one you are thinking of buying?
Haha no see I don't care because 1, I'm spending 10k he spent 32k. 2, after spending around 7k in mods (17k total vehicle cost) i will walk him and most other cars on the street. So i don't need any consolation. Pull the stick out of your ass and play nice.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 11:13:50 AM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
Considering stock STi's dyno around 240awhp id say there's not much chance you wouldnt beat him. Even with 600 extra lbs if you really have 126 extra whp you shouldnt have a problem.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 12:26:03 PM
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I am thinking his hp # is an estimated crank hp # based on the dyno Whp
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 12:26:36 PM
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I saw a GT3 put down 686RWHP last week on the dyno!
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:07:09 PM
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I am thinking his hp # is an estimated crank hp # based on the dyno Whp
It would make more sense with his mods. He said "to the wheels" but i'm not so sure.
In that case id say it'd be a close race and the STi may even pull him.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:36:54 PM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
Better chance than TSB, but the weight will be a problem.
Yeah it is a heavy sucker, but sexy as all heck.. Thanks for the input much appreciated.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:39:36 PM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
WOW that IS impressive considering the low mod potential of the 4.2!!! 376AWHP!!!!! What dyno? I would think it should the # of HP you have at the crank! I am really impressed Isn't is 340hp crank stock? and the chip+exhaust should 20-30hp!... Anything else on it?
I think you have shot if it is your real AWHP but the auto trany will kill you from a dig... go form a roll
Do not be impressed my wife is pissed and pockets are empty... LOL And I ran it at a local Dyno here where I live that does all the dyno work for Lebanon Valley Speedway.. And as stated what came up at time of dyno was 376 to the wheels.. nothing else I mean a K&N filter, but not worth mentioning...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:41:06 PM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
Considering stock STi's dyno around 240awhp id say there's not much chance you wouldnt beat him. Even with 600 extra lbs if you really have 126 extra whp you shouldnt have a problem.
STI's Dyno at 240??? Darn I thought they were hitting 300's all day long...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:43:17 PM
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I am thinking his hp # is an estimated crank hp # based on the dyno Whp
Yeah that was my first time at a Dyno outside of my 1999 ZX-9 putting 183 to the wheels..... Of course I got rid of it when a pitbull ran out in front of me sending me rolling for almost 30 yards.. no injuries though thank goodness..
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:47:15 PM
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Ok, not to hijack the thread, but since we are on the subject of A6 verse STI; I have an 03 A6 Quattro Sport 4.2 with APR chip, Millitek exhaust, 01032 tiptronic upgrade, Tein coilovers, Hotchkis sway barkit and an NX TPS nitrous kit. Was going to add the 355mm Brembo kit and wife said get it and go live in the car, so I decided to keep my bed... LOL... The car was dynoed without running the NOS at 376HP to the wheels... Do you think I have a chance against a stock STI??
Considering stock STi's dyno around 240awhp id say there's not much chance you wouldnt beat him. Even with 600 extra lbs if you really have 126 extra whp you shouldnt have a problem.
TS all I can do is inform of what MODS I have added and what the dyno guy informed me for HP based on the print out he gave me.... I actually am going to see him next weekend to see if he had a copy to give me since my 4 year old decided to use mine as a placemat... The guy is very reputable and extremely knowledgeable as he has been doing this for almost 25 years.. So I cannot argue the point of yes it is accurate or no it is not, I am stock at 300 HP added the 93 APR chip, exhaust and filter and 376 is what he came up with at dyno time...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 1:58:05 PM
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I saw a GT3 put down 686RWHP last week on the dyno!
686?????????????? That is absolutely SICK.... Oh wow what it would be to have that at my finger tips...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 2:31:00 PM
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TS all I can do is inform of what MODS I have added and what the dyno guy informed me for HP based on the print out he gave me.... I actually am going to see him next weekend to see if he had a copy to give me since my 4 year old decided to use mine as a placemat... The guy is very reputable and extremely knowledgeable as he has been doing this for almost 25 years.. So I cannot argue the point of yes it is accurate or no it is not, I am stock at 300 HP added the 93 APR chip, exhaust and filter and 376 is what he came up with at dyno time...
First off STi's are 300 bhp not whp. Turns into about 240-260whp depending on the car, place, dyno, weather, etc.
Second off with those mods i would guess it was on a mustang dyno (they're not as accurate).
None the less i'd say it will be a close race to an STi.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 2:34:31 PM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
Still looking for someone to tell you what you obviously want to hear? Still trying to come to terms with the fact that your friend has a quicker car than the one you are thinking of buying?
Haha no see I don't care because 1, I'm spending 10k he spent 32k. 2, after spending around 7k in mods (17k total vehicle cost) i will walk him and most other cars on the street. So i don't need any consolation. Pull the stick out of your ass and play nice.
If you don't care, and don't need consolation, as you claim, why do you keep seeking to have someone agree that your perfectly good highway cruising luxury car is a 0-60 bullet? Its not. Enjoy the car for what it is. Fast, comfortable and reasonably quick, but not the quickest car on the block.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 3:33:36 PM
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If you don't care, and don't need consolation, as you claim, why do you keep seeking to have someone agree that your perfectly good highway cruising luxury car is a 0-60 bullet? Its not. Enjoy the car for what it is. Fast, comfortable and reasonably quick, but not the quickest car on the block.
Im not claiming it to be a 0-60 bullet by any means. It's too heavy. But a roll race is a different story. If you are that ignorant about the car's ability go watch some s4 videos on youtube/streetfire. The a6 has the same engine, same tranny, and just an extra 100lbs so why is it so hard to believe it would have the same tendencies as the s4? The a6 is actually lighter than the s4 avants...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 3:47:50 PM
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I don't need to watch videos. I have driven A6s, STis, F430s, Aston Martins, Bentley GTs, Lamborghinis, Ford GTs, 911 turbos and many more street cars. I have also driven NASCAR at Pocono. I have first hand knowledge of the quickness and the speed of cars and do not need to watch videos.
I am glad that you finally seem to have agreed that the A6 is heavy and not a 0-60 car. In time you may even agree that while it is an ok 1/4 mile car it is not a pack leader. With that said, I think the A6 is a great highway car that does well in the 70-130 range, especially if chipped.
With that said, the only roll race you stay close to the STi will be one that starts at 70MPH or above. So I suggest that you visit the Autobahn, otherwise just sign the title over to your friend.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 3:53:09 PM
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I don't need to watch videos. I have driven A6s, STis, F430s, Aston Martins, Bentley GTs, Lamborghinis, Ford GTs, 911 turbos and many more street cars. I have also driven NASCAR at Pocono. I have first hand knowledge of the quickness and the speed of cars and do not need to watch videos.
I am glad that you finally seem to have agreed that the A6 is heavy and not a 0-60 car. In time you may even agree that while it is an ok 1/4 mile car it is not a pack leader. With that said, I think the A6 is a great highway car that does well in the 70-130 range, especially if chipped.
With that said, the only roll race you stay close to the STi will be one that starts at 70MPH or above. So I suggest that you visit the Autobahn, otherwise just sign the title over to your friend.
I thought u had finally gathered an understanding of the car's capability but obviously not.
For the about the 6th time (feels like the 100th) we're not talking about a stock a6 here. We are talking chipped. And as for the capability im DEFINITELY not talking stock. Im saying with stage 3, the a6 will take most of the "street kings" even when they are modified.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/20/2007 10:12:07 PM
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I think the A6 is a great highway car that does well in the 70-130 range, especially if chipped.
With that said, the only roll race you stay close to the STi will be one that starts at 70MPH or above. So I suggest that you visit the Autobahn, otherwise just sign the title over to your friend.
I've made sure to bold all the statements of your post that were established on the first page, yet you continue to discuss them as if you are offering up profound statements . Tsb has long acknowledged the fact that he is not looking for a 0-60 victory here, so why is there STILL discussion about this on the third (and possibly fourth) page of this post? I acknowledged that he would excel from 75-130 on the FIRST page of this topic, and after that point, we stopped talking about a 0-60 victory because it's a lost cause and won't happen.....
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I have first hand knowledge of the quickness and the speed of cars and do not need to watch videos.
I didn't want to quote the vast number of cars you've driven, because that would just take up an unnecessary amount of space in my already excessively long post. It's wonderful that you had such a great opportunity to drive such exotic machines, but unless you've driven an APR chipped A6 (with the other performance goodies that he has) against a stock '06 STi in the same atmospheric conditions, I don't think your "performance car driving credentials" offer any legitimacy to your post(s). The fact that you are on the verge of declaring videos to be a worthless source of knowledge troubles me. I'm glad you know how fast a Ford GT and a 911 Turbo are while we do not, but in this instance, videos of similarly equipped cars are more helpful in determining who will win and at what speeds than the fact that you've driven a Ferrari F430. And even since you've driven an STi and A6, unless you drove them against each other, each car's sensation of speed is different. Judging who will win based on a seat of the pants "this car feels faster" scale is impossible to do accurately.
I'm sorry to sound so aggressive, it's just that at this point of the topic I'm getting tired (as is tsb) of re-establishing the situation of the race which was done long ago.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 4:30:23 AM
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It seem like the Don Quixote complex has spread. Just let me know when the race is takng place so that I can make some money.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 8:38:47 AM
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It seem like the Don Quixote complex has spread. Just let me know when the race is takng place so that I can make some money.
With what? Your super fast 4.2? Don't make me laugh...
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 1:17:14 PM
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bunch of funny guys here!!! You guys are pretty hard on each other... it is just a post on an Audi Enthusiasts' forum... We're not deciding on the fate of the world here :)
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 2:02:42 PM
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A race car is a race car and a luxury performance sedan is just that. Whenever you want to increase performance, you have to realize that some luxury will be given up. The more performance, the harsher the ride. That is why the RS4/M3's are such great cars. They are a nice balance of both worlds.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 5:45:52 PM
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It seem like the Don Quixote complex has spread. Just let me know when the race is takng place so that I can make some money.
With what? Your super fast 4.2? Don't make me laugh...
I was going to put my money on the STi.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/21/2007 7:04:46 PM
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It seem like the Don Quixote complex has spread.
I don't think I understand you correctly. I was the first one to suggest that a race from 70 mph (fine, I said 75) to 130 mph could be, and most likely would be very close. Tsb has agreed with me, along with some encouraging words from other individuals, so how is this an example of the Don Quixote complex? It's not like no one understands me. I also understand the points that you've made, and agreed with them. For example, you said that the STi would blow him away from 0-60. I agree 100%. You also said that the A6 is not a race car. I also agree with you on that 100%.
So, I don't even know where our main argument has gone, because at this point I agree with you on everything, and I even mentioned the fact that it would be an ideal race from 75-130, and you persist in making flippant comments as if I have no idea what I'm talking about when I mentioned the same points you insist I'm not making 2 pages ago. That's my one beef.
Like I've mentioned before, I'm not trying to be a spoil sport, or a jerk at all, I'm just clearing up issues that deserve to be cleared up.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/22/2007 3:42:29 AM
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It seem like the Don Quixote complex has spread.
I don't think I understand you correctly. I was the first one to suggest that a race from 70 mph (fine, I said 75) to 130 mph could be, and most likely would be very close. Tsb has agreed with me, along with some encouraging words from other individuals, so how is this an example of the Don Quixote complex? It's not like no one understands me. I also understand the points that you've made, and agreed with them. For example, you said that the STi would blow him away from 0-60. I agree 100%. You also said that the A6 is not a race car. I also agree with you on that 100%.
So, I don't even know where our main argument has gone, because at this point I agree with you on everything, and I even mentioned the fact that it would be an ideal race from 75-130, and you persist in making flippant comments as if I have no idea what I'm talking about when I mentioned the same points you insist I'm not making 2 pages ago. That's my one beef.
Like I've mentioned before, I'm not trying to be a spoil sport, or a jerk at all, I'm just clearing up issues that deserve to be cleared up.
I am glad that we are in agreement.
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RE: A6 w/ APR vs. Stock 06 STi? - 10/22/2007 6:23:43 AM
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So ANYWAY back on topic.. Lets hear some more opinions about the STi vs APR A6 race?
over hyped or over rated, there is no way that an chipped A6 is going to beat a stock STI. point blank. a stock STI does a 1/4 mile somewhere in the low 13's. depending on the driver. a stock A6 does the 1/4 mile in what....i'm guessing somewhere in the mid 15's maybe? i'm basing that on the nissan maxima because they are about the same size, hp, and weight. with the weight of the A6, i doubt that a chip is going to knock 3 second of the car. even if you change the tires from all season to summer, i still dont think it will happen. the STI it built to race and the A6 isnt.
btw....a REAL doesnt start from a rolling start. to me, that a cop out. lol...in track and field, they dont start a race from a walking start.
Haha mid 15s no. Mid 14s yes. You honestly don't think 70hp and 130 ft lbs would lower a time at least a second? Get real dude its much more of a competition than you think.
Roll races arent a cop out. Just another form. Its not like just because you race from a roll you can ONLY race from a roll. Track and field example, they have different lengths of races. Different people are better at different lengths. Well certain cars are better at certain types of racing. If roll racing is to your advantage, why not do it.
You are right, in track in field, they do have different race lengths. With the exception of relay race where you get handed the stick from a running start, but the race still starts from the starting block.
Just give it a rest, you are not going to beat your homeboy’s car. You don’t even have the car yet, so why are you dwelling over it?
I was was right on my guess. i didnt some research, and the A6 does a 1/4 mile in a 15.3, so my S-Line MIGHT do a 15 or a lil less, but not by that much
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