There have been many people on here saying that there was a special tuning from GIAC for the S-line A6 that allows to get the full chipping power PLUS keep the 15 extra HP from stock on top of that. THAT IS MIS-INFORMATION! The chip tuning from GIAC is the SAME for all 2.7t engines. People say stuff when they don't actually know. A rep from GIAC told me directly. I just thought this should be set straight...

I'm the one who told you about the S-Line chip, and for you to say I dont know....Checkthis linkout, it's thesame linkI gave you on the last S-Line discussion.

http://www.giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=12

Dude I know that is on there, all they are telling you is that the S-line cars have a different ECU number. I love how everyone assumes that since there is a separate listing for the S-line that it means that they magically get to keep the 15 HP on top of the tuning... LOL A rep from GIAC told me DIRECTLY, no assumptions... FACT.

Edit: And I am not calling you out Abbot, there have been many people on here before that have said that too.

You don't even have a S-Line and it bugged you that much.....your funny LOL.

So basically you're tryin to say is that, different ECU=no compatiblechip for theS-Line because all I've been hearing is that the S-Line ECU is tuned different, which means no chip will work, not even the chip for the A6.

Yea, whatever, you called GIAC, but why would they advertize it on there web site?

ORIGINAL: alias747

There have been many people on here saying that there was a special tuning from GIAC for the S-line A6 that allows to get the full chipping power PLUS keep the 15 extra HP from stock on top of that. THAT IS MIS-INFORMATION! The chip tuning from GIAC is the SAME for all 2.7t engines. People say stuff when they don't actually know. A rep from GIAC told me directly. I just thought this should be set straight...


1. None of the S-Line owners are going to believe that you talked to someone from GIAC, so that statement is irrelevant.
2. If you don’t have an S-Line, then what do you care? I mean really?
3. If there is only one chip, do you (or anyone else who is reading this) know anyone who has chipped an S-Line? If so, did they dyno test it to see if it has the same HP has a regular A6?

On the APR website, it saids that the power that the chip makes, is based on the ECU. SO, if the S-line ECU is turned for 15 more HP, then a APR chipped S-Line will have 15 more HP then a GIAC chipped regular A6...........if both chips generate the same HP. Right or wrong?

http://www.icsperformance.com/APR4.htm

ORIGINAL: Tha Abbot

You don't even have a S-Line and it bugged you that much.....your funny LOL.


No I dont have an S-line and I dont want one... people were just talking like they knew it for sure so I had to investigate becuase it didnt make any sense.

ORIGINAL: Tha Abbot
So basically you're tryin to say is that, different ECU=no compatiblechip for theS-Line because all I've been hearing is that the S-Line ECU is tuned different, which means no chip will work, not even the chip for the A6.


OMG... Clearly you do not really read anything... YES there is a chip for your car. Its just the SAME chip that is used for ALL 2.7T engines. Re-read stuff man... oh my lord...

ORIGINAL: Tha Abbot
Yea, whatever, you called GIAC, but why would they advertize it on there web site?


Again re-read my post... They are simply putting it on there to show you that there software is compatible with the S-line ECU part number...

Just asking a question here. Since the A6 and S-line have the same engine and the same turbos, doesn't it stand to reason that the extra 15hp comes from a slightly more aggressive OEMECU that pumps up the turbos a little more? Nothing I have read indicates the plumbing, exhaust, or anything else differs. Therefore, if you replace either an A6 or the S-line OEMECU with a GIAC (or APR) that spools the turbo to a higher boost and probably plays with the timing and fuel mixture - and it's the same engine - then both will end up chipped to the same power level. Ergo, the 15hp advantage gets lost in the overall 70hp gain.

This thread is pretty funny. I think we should view this as a thread that resolves the s-line + chip = (?) question rather whatever shenanagans seem to be going on thus far. I have heard in my vw days that a chip for the 150 HP 1.8T brings that car to a level playing field as a chipped 180 hp 1.8T. The extra 30 hp is not added on top of the increase from the chip. I suspect this to hold true for the s-line 2.7T, but that is just a guess.

ORIGINAL: Four Ring Circus

This thread is pretty funny. I think we should view this as a thread that resolves the s-line + chip = (?) question rather whatever shenanagans seem to be going on thus far. I have heard in my vw days that a chip for the 150 HP 1.8T brings that car to a level playing field as a chipped 180 hp 1.8T. The extra 30 hp is not added on top of the increase from the chip. I suspect this to hold true for the s-line 2.7T, but that is just a guess.


You are right, i think this thread should be about asking questions, but we all know that its not going to turn out that way. It's going to turn out to be what is always has.....a big fight between the S-Line owners and the regular A6 owners and the Regulars will win because its more of them.

ORIGINAL: ppgoal

Just asking a question here. Since the A6 and S-line have the same engine and the same turbos, doesn't it stand to reason that the extra 15hp comes from a slightly more aggressive OEMECU that pumps up the turbos a little more? Nothing I have read indicates the plumbing, exhaust, or anything else differs. Therefore, if you replace either an A6 or the S-line OEMECU with a GIAC (or APR) that spools the turbo to a higher boost and probably plays with the timing and fuel mixture - and it's the same engine - then both will end up chipped to the same power level. Ergo, the 15hp advantage gets lost in the overall 70hp gain.


From my understanding, you'er not replacing the ECU, you are just adding something to it. DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS!!!!!!! This is only a quess from me because i dont have one.

From my understanding, you'er not replacing the ECU, you are just adding something to it. DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS!!!!!!! This is only a quess from me because i dont have one.

Ok so now that you are asking questions, let me provide you with an answer like I have already done... NO, you are NOT adding to it. Like I have been saying ALL along, you are ERASING the original tuning and loading completely NEW tuning that GIAC gives you, hence the reason why I said all chips for the 2.7T are the SAME. Ok anyone else still miss understanding? Or better yet, does anyone else want to accuse me of just making this shit up?

ORIGINAL: Four Ring Circus

This thread is pretty funny. I think we should view this as a thread that resolves the s-line + chip = (?) question rather whatever shenanagans seem to be going on thus far. I have heard in my vw days that a chip for the 150 HP 1.8T brings that car to a level playing field as a chipped 180 hp 1.8T. The extra 30 hp is not added on top of the increase from the chip. I suspect this to hold true for the s-line 2.7T, but that is just a guess.


With the 1.8T's, I know you just heard this, so I'm just replying to what you heard. I understand chipping a 150 hp, but why chip a 180 hp if you willlost 30 hp. I understand you will over all gain hp, but you paid for the extra 30 hp, now you have to eat the $2-3,000 you paid for the extra 30 hp just to lose it, might as well buy a 150 hp,to me, where's the logic? $2-3,000is a lot of money to burn like that. Same concept with the S-Line, I'm pertty suresoneone atAPRor GIAC thinks the sameway. You ( I )paid for the "trim level", so for APR or GIACas a company, I expect them to give me my moneys worth.

I know some peoplewould liketo think it's about"Performance Gain", but at the end of the day, it's about customer services, delivering a quality product, how to get the customers to come back, and MONEY. If the company(s) can't deliver a product for my car, they why buy from that company?

ORIGINAL: alias747

From my understanding, you'er not replacing the ECU, you are just adding something to it. DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS!!!!!!! This is only a quess from me because i dont have one.

Ok so now that you are asking questions, let me provide you with an answer like I have already done... NO, you are NOT adding to it. Like I have been saying ALL along, you are ERASING the original tuning and loading completely NEW tuning that GIAC gives you, hence the reason why I said all chips for the 2.7T are the SAME. Ok anyone else still miss understanding? Or better yet, does anyone else want to accuse me of just making this shit up?



OK, you answered the question about GIACbecause i assume that you have a chip from them, but what about ARP? On their website, it even states that the HP gain is based on your ECU.

I just love how you skipped over the 2nd part of my question so that you and prove your point.

Guys what alls Alias was trying to do was just help out those who might have thought u would get the 15hp on top. No need to get all over his grill. He just trying to help out others.

ORIGINAL: Retard Riot 686

Guys what alls Alias was trying to do was just help out those who might have thought u would get the 15hp on top. No need to get all over his grill. He just trying to help out others.


Its how he is doing it. Like he's mr know-it-all. This whole thread is being continued from someone else's thread that was posted weeks ago. Someone made, what he thought was a good point, and he said that it was a thread closer, but what does it do, he goes and open up a new post with the same question. He say that he doesnt want an S-Line.....hummm, i cant tell. Why spend all of this unnessuary energy of something that you dont want or have?

ORIGINAL: Retard Riot 686

Guys what alls Alias was trying to do was just help out those who might have thought u would get the 15hp on top. No need to get all over his grill. He just trying to help out others.


No one knows how much hp you will gain, I have a S-Line and I don'teven care becauseI'm not chipping my car, it's not even that important to me. But if I were to chip it and ARP or GIAC don't have a chip for the S-Line, I'll find a company that will offer one.

OK, you answered the question about GIACbecause i assume that you have a chip from them, but what about ARP? On their website, it even states that the HP gain is based on your ECU.

I just love how you skipped over the 2nd part of my question so that you and prove your point.

Why spend all of this unnessuary energy of something that you dont want or have?

Ok chill man, like riot said, all I want to do is help you guys understand. I came into that thread and I saw people saying stuff like ti was fact and it didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to investigate. Yet somehow as soon as I try to explain something to you guys I get blasted saying that I am a "s-line hater". Not the case, in fact I have already admitted I like the s-line, I just hate tip. That is all...

Now, if you would like to listen to me and I can explain this...

I have APR tuning for my A6, as my sig says. The link you posted is saying that the difference in ECUs and power gains is relating to what engine you have in your car. Look at the table right below that. See how the group ALL 2.7T A6's from 2000-2004 together, and they all have the same HP gains? They erase the original OEM tuning, s-line or not, and load there tuning on. Now, I know APR has a switching program that allows you to revert back to stock tuning if you want. It's a feature that costs extra, but then you will still have your stock level 265 HP to go back to. So in a sense you are keeping the 15 HP, I guess. Does this make sense to you? I don't like to argue, I just like to inform people. I am not an s-line hater, just don't act aloof around me becuase you think your car is better, thats all I ask. Are we good?

ORIGINAL: alias747

OK, you answered the question about GIACbecause i assume that you have a chip from them, but what about ARP? On their website, it even states that the HP gain is based on your ECU.

I just love how you skipped over the 2nd part of my question so that you and prove your point.

Why spend all of this unnessuary energy of something that you dont want or have?

Ok chill man, like riot said, all I want to do is help you guys understand. I came into that thread and I saw people saying stuff like ti was fact and it didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to investigate. Yet somehow as soon as I try to explain something to you guys I get blasted saying that I am a "s-line hater". Not the case, in fact I have already admitted I like the s-line, I just hate tip. That is all...

Now, if you would like to listen to me and I can explain this...

I have APR tuning for my A6, as my sig says. The link you posted is saying that the difference in ECUs and power gains is relating to what engine you have in your car. Look at the table right below that. See how the group ALL 2.7T A6's from 2000-2004 together, and they all have the same HP gains? They erase the original OEM tuning, s-line or not, and load there tuning on. Now, I know APR has a switching program that allows you to revert back to stock tuning if you want. It's a feature that costs extra, but then you will still have your stock level 265 HP to go back to. So in a sense you are keeping the 15 HP, I guess. Does this make sense to you? I don't like to argue, I just like to inform people. I am not an s-line hater, just don't act aloof around me becuase you think your car is better, thats all I ask. Are we good?



i was never trying to argue, but i'm like you, i dont like when people say that the A6 is better then the S-Line because its not a 5 or 6 speed.

I always though that when people said "chipped", is was a ECU add on and not an ECU reprogram.

I e-mailed APR and GIAC, for information about a chip for the S-Line, if they respond with an answer, I will paste the e-mails.

My E-mail to ARP:

I have an 2004 Audi A6 2.7T S-Line, VIN# WAUCD64B54N090705

I would like some information about a software chip for my 2004 A6 S-Line.
Dose APR offer a chip specially designed for the S-Line that will still give me the performance benefit of having an S-Line, or will it down grade my car to the same performance as an normal 2004 A6? The 2.7T S-Line produce 15 more HP and 22 more torque over an A6 2.7T?



Responce from ARP:

It will not downgrade anything, but you will only make as much power as the regular 2.7Ts with our chip. This is because Audi just made the s-line with a tad more power but there were no hardware changes.

Regards,

Chris Gigon
Sales Representative/Financing Specialist
APR, LLC. Phone: (800)680-7921
1027-B Opelika Rd Tech: (334)502-5181
Auburn, Al 36830 Fax: (334)502-5180

Responce back to ARP:

There is nothing that ARP can do for the S-Lines owner? When we brought the S-lines, we paid for the extra power, so to chip a S-Line, you're basically throwing away the extra money spent on an S-line, that's bad business and unfair to the S-Line owners.

Is there anything ARP can do for the S-Line owners?



(But ARP dose not offer an S-line chip on there web site, I'm still waiting for GIAC)

So wat that guy just said proved that Alias was right the whole time?

ORIGINAL: Retard Riot 686

So wat that guy just said proved that Alias was right the whole time?



LOL, not really, ARP never posted an S-Line chip, GIAC did.

So wat that guy just said proved that Alias was right the whole time?
Yup ;)



Its APR BTW... And yeah GIAC is going to tell you the same thing...

Like I said, they only have the s-line ECU part number listed so you know that the 2.7T tuning is compatible with your cars ECU number, but is the same tuning as the rest. But I'll let them tell you that... lol

ORIGINAL: alias747

So wat that guy just said proved that Alias was right the whole time?
Yup ;)



Its APR BTW... And yeah GIAC is going to tell you the same thing...

Like I said, they only have the s-line ECU part number listed so you know that the 2.7T tuning is compatible with your cars ECU number, but is the same tuning as the rest. But I'll let them tell you that... lol


Retard Riot 686....This is what i'm talking to when i said its how he's going about the whole thing and why i said that this is/was a pointless thread. this thread wasnt about informing people. it was all about trying to prove who was right and who was wrong, but as i recall, i dont remember seeing anything about a right and a wrong. he was wrong about the 0-60 times for the A6 and the S-Line, so he just had to go out and try to prove the the A6 mt is better than the S-Line tip.

like i said before, all this thread was/is a part 2 of another post.

Its APR BTW... And yeah GIAC is going to tell you the same thing...


example ofwrite and wrong..he misspelled APR, and he just had to go out of his way to correcthim when everyone new what he mint.

Because I am an asshole that always has to be right. And unfortunately for you I am right... LOL Someone is getting way too worked up.

ORIGINAL: Tha Abbot

ORIGINAL: Retard Riot 686

Guys what alls Alias was trying to do was just help out those who might have thought u would get the 15hp on top. No need to get all over his grill. He just trying to help out others.


No one knows how much hp you will gain, I have a S-Line and I don'teven care becauseI'm not chipping my car, it's not even that important to me. But if I were to chip it and ARP or GIAC don't have a chip for the S-Line, I'll find a company that will offer one.


I'm gonna quote myself on this one. There is only 2 people responding to this post with S-Lines and between 6-8 people total on this site with S-Lines (2004). The people with S-Lines have some kind of warranty with there cars, so we can't chipour cars because it will void the warranty. If the people with S-Lines don't care, whyshould you?

The S-Lines came out in 2004. Companys usually don't start making aftermarket parts, (replacement parts or tuner parts) until the car is 3-5 years old because of factory warrantys, it's best to go to the dealer for repairs because repair shops get there parts from the dealer.

I'm gonna say it again, If I do decide to chip my car and GIAC or ARP, I'm sorry, APR (for the spelling bee champ) don't offer a chip for my car, I'll go to another company, no big deal, they just won't get my money.

ORIGINAL: alias747

Because I am an asshole that always has to be right. And unfortunately for you I am right... LOL Someone is getting way too worked up.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Retard Riot 686

Guys what alls Alias was trying to do was just help out those who might have thought u would get the 15hp on top. No need to get all over his grill. He just trying to help out others.



Its how he is doing it. Like he's mr know-it-all. This whole thread is being continued from someone else's thread that was posted weeks ago. Someone made, what he thought was a good point, and he said that it was a thread closer, but what does it do, he goes and open up a new post with the same question. He say that he doesnt want an S-Line.....hummm, i cant tell. Why spend all of this unnessuary energy of something that you dont want or have?



you spend all of the extar unnessary energy on what? lol....but i'm all worked up. i mean really?

APR (for the spelling bee champ)

Daaamn riiiight... hahahahahaahahah

You guys don't know when to drop it, I have won, you have lost. You crack me up. LOLLLLL

End the frickin thread already... :eek:

You Won? What kind of prize did you win? I didn't know there was aAudi sweepstakes going on?

Like I told you, I e-mail GIAC and APR, I only got a responce back from APR,I'm, stillwaiting for GIAC. This post is about GIAC having a chip, APR never stated on there website that theyhad a S-Line chip.

Your funny as hell!!!, end the thread? You started the thread, you said end the thread on the 01 A6 vs. S-Line post, but yet, you start this one. For someone who don't want a S-Line, you sure do have S-Line on the brain.

ORIGINAL: alias747

APR (for the spelling bee champ)

Daaamn riiiight... hahahahahaahahah

You guys don't know when to drop it, I have won, you have lost. You crack me up. LOLLLLL

End the frickin thread already... :eek:




lol...now this is too funny. didnt you say end the last thread and what did you go and do? you made a new one.

so in this case, who needs to drop it?

i have 40k miles left on my warrenty, so i could care less about a chip because i was never goin to get one in the first place. i made my point a couple of posts ago, that you skipped over AGAIN to avoid the question......but i'll post it again......

ORIGINAL: Tha H.N.I.C

ORIGINAL: alias747

There have been many people on here saying that there was a special tuning from GIAC for the S-line A6 that allows to get the full chipping power PLUS keep the 15 extra HP from stock on top of that. THAT IS MIS-INFORMATION! The chip tuning from GIAC is the SAME for all 2.7t engines. People say stuff when they don't actually know. A rep from GIAC told me directly. I just thought this should be set straight...


1. None of the S-Line owners are going to believe that you talked to someone from GIAC, so that statement is irrelevant.
2. If you don’t have an S-Line, then what do you care? I mean really?
3. If there is only one chip, do you (or anyone else who is reading this) know anyone who has chipped an S-Line? If so, did they dyno test it to see if it has the same HP has a regular A6?

On the APR website, it saids that the power that the chip makes, is based on the ECU. SO, if the S-line ECU is turned for 15 more HP, then a APR chipped S-Line will have 15 more HP then a GIAC chipped regular A6...........if both chips generate the same HP. Right or wrong?

http://www.icsperformance.com/APR4.htm

You Won? What kind of prize did you win? I didn't know there was aAudi sweepstakes going on?
LMFAO....

And yet you just keep posting as usual....

HEY S-LINES SUCK!!!





Bet you can't resist posting something... hahaha You know you want to... You just want to keep this thread alive... I know you do... hahahaha

ORIGINAL: alias747

OK, you answered the question about GIACbecause i assume that you have a chip from them, but what about ARP? On their website, it even states that the HP gain is based on your ECU.

I just love how you skipped over the 2nd part of my question so that you and prove your point.

Why spend all of this unnessuary energy of something that you dont want or have?

Ok chill man, like riot said, all I want to do is help you guys understand. I came into that thread and I saw people saying stuff like ti was fact and it didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to investigate. Yet somehow as soon as I try to explain something to you guys I get blasted saying that I am a "s-line hater". Not the case, in fact I have already admitted I like the s-line, I just hate tip. That is all...

Now, if you would like to listen to me and I can explain this...

I have APR tuning for my A6, as my sig says. The link you posted is saying that the difference in ECUs and power gains is relating to what engine you have in your car. Look at the table right below that. See how the group ALL 2.7T A6's from 2000-2004 together, and they all have the same HP gains? They erase the original OEM tuning, s-line or not, and load there tuning on. Now, I know APR has a switching program that allows you to revert back to stock tuning if you want. It's a feature that costs extra, but then you will still have your stock level 265 HP to go back to. So in a sense you are keeping the 15 HP, I guess. Does this make sense to you? I don't like to argue, I just like to inform people. I am not an s-line hater, just don't act aloof around me becuase you think your car is better, thats all I ask. Are we good?



lol....yo, make up your mind. in this post, you admit to liking the s-line. now you are saying that they suck.

you go from not liking to argue, but yet, you are. it looks like you are the one how is keeping this thing alive. all because you just have to have the last word. again, just like the last thread, it was over and done with, but what did you go, go went ahead and opened up a new one. why...because everyone ignored you and you lil feelings got hurt because no one would talk to you anymore. after this post, i'm done with it.

lol...go ahead and responds. i know that you want to. i know your fingers are over there burning to type something in. you want to get the last word in sooooo bad, that you'll be up all night thinking about it....the same reason for opening uo this thread.

E-mail from GIAC

Hi Terrod,

The S-Line consists largely of aesthetic and suspension upgrades. On the 2004 A6 2.7T the OEM K03 turbos were updated to alleviate a design flaw in the previous version. Boost levels were also raised slightly from the factory adding another 15 hp above the previous 250hp. Other than the update of the K03 turbos, physical hardware changes were very minimal. Our software increases boost to 1.2-1.3 bar on all 2.7L models because the hardware is still limited despite seeing a 15hp increase. The result of adding our software will still yield approximately 320-330hp which is a phenomenal increase. I hope that clarifies.

The chips are the same, but Audi turned up the boost in the S-Lines, to give it the extra 15hp. No One knew they turned up the boost, everybody said the ECU was tuned different.

Turbos 101

Higher boost = tuned differently

And look, I was right. Ok now this thread can die! LOL :D

I'm a man, I can admit when I'm wrong, I never said that I knew, nobody knew, but the S-line still will get 330 hp, so I was right on that. So no, you wasn't fully right............now its close because of my 2 cent.