TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!!
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TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/25/2007 12:12:33 AM
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jasmix
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I just bought a 2001 2.7T (Auto) with 84k miles + Sports Winter package + Xenon Bose etc for 7k is it a good buy??
so should I chip it?
Im not sure if the timing belt was changed.
if not the Chip what other mods should I start with??
< Message edited by jasmix -- 11/25/2007 12:15:23 AM >
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/25/2007 11:11:28 AM
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Sounds like a great buy. I hope you had it checked out by someone who knows Audis. Unless you've got wads of cash laying around, you should focus on the timing belt change first. It's going to set up back about a grand or so. Needs to be done soon. I did mine at 94k, which everyone said was waiting too long.
I chipped my car at 74k and it is still fine at 105k. I did have to replace the clutch and flywheel, but you have the automatic. I also drive it conservatively, when it comes to acceleration. The chip makes the biggest single difference in performance. If you consider GIAC, they also make a chip for the transmission that speeds up the shift points.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/25/2007 1:35:54 PM
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formulagigi
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Congrats! Good buy, as above I hope you did a PPI with an Audi pro. at 84k, the beelt and waterpump service may have been done. It should be done b/w 65 and 75k miles in my opinion. Don't want it to go bad on you and it has to be done, so might as well be safe and do it timely.
I say CHIP it! It is the best $500 you'll spend on your Audi :) well there are others mod like but... 70 hp and +110 Tq!!!! it is amazing, let the guys flash it and in 15-20 minutes you'll ahve a new car! I love APR because it is easier on the Turbos and less aggressive. but GIAC is another great brand out there and is more aggressive, some say a little faster faster.
Also get new DV's and TBB (or APR Bipipe) for reliability and you'll be golden! Many acrs outthere chipped in the 100K miles. Just maintain it and never push it cold, let is cool off after spirited driving.
Good luck!
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/25/2007 2:24:31 PM
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jasmix
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kool, how can I check the Belts where changed? the engine looks practically brand new
So GIAC or APR for engine and GIAC for Transmission > where can I get it from in VA 20165?
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/26/2007 9:04:56 AM
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formulagigi
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First, go to your local Audi dealer or any Audi dealer really and get the, to print yuo a service history report. They can do it and it is free. They did for me after I bought my Audi even though I did not buy it from them. That will tell you everything that has been done by an Audi dealer to your car. Also can yuo get the invoices/receipts from the dealer you bought the car from? Can you get to the previsou owner? was it a local car? .. If you can't get ths history. get you indy shop to look at it for you. Am not sure how to tell whether it was done just by lifting the hood. Auditech might.
GIAC and APR are both good,I would go with which ever is supported by your local shop. If you have both locally, then My preference is APR for driveability and ease on Turbos... Just my opinion and also what I read from vairous forum members.
I would skip the GIAC Tip chip as i heard it was not worth the $ unless you can get it cheap. Just do the free VAG recode. If $ is not aproblem and yuo want the chip, get a spare used ECU and put the TIP chip on it to save your stock one. just in case
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/26/2007 9:23:18 AM
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So...an APR flash alone will bring 70 and 110? Is it worth it without any other mods? Im at 80K and considering taking it to the APR guys in town. Since I have an auto is there a tranny flash as well that can be done? what other mod should I consider?
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/27/2007 4:50:59 AM
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Stock S4 owner here. I had a chance to ride in a GIAC chipped A6 2.7T (tip) with Exhaust, Intake and DVs. OMG! It was SO much fun! You will serious love your car that much more if you get the chip.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/27/2007 8:41:52 AM
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kool, how can I check the Belts where changed? the engine looks practically brand new
So GIAC or APR for engine and GIAC for Transmission > where can I get it from in VA 20165?
If you are in the Springfield area, New German Performance is there. We are an APR distributor.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/27/2007 9:10:09 AM
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formulagigi
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quote:
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So...an APR flash alone will bring 70 and 110? Is it worth it without any other mods? Im at 80K and considering taking it to the APR guys in town. Since I have an auto is there a tranny flash as well that can be done? what other mod should I consider?
SURE! APR 93 octane will get you 318hp and 380lbs of TQ. 91 octane is about 300hp I think....not sure. NO APR flash for tranny, GIAC makes a chip but pricey for no proven results according to many on Audizine. VAG 32 recodeis free :) and will get yuo first gear!
The APR chip is absolutely worth it even without other mods. I would strongly conmsider upgrading the DVs (Audi's 710's are fine and cheap) and the TBB though. ANother good mod is athe Piggy pipes, 335 from VAST plus install and yuo'll see more power/torque as well as reduce tmeperature behinf the turbos. Works well with chipped car.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/27/2007 10:06:13 AM
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So...an APR flash alone will bring 70 and 110? Is it worth it without any other mods? Im at 80K and considering taking it to the APR guys in town. Since I have an auto is there a tranny flash as well that can be done? what other mod should I consider?
SURE! APR 93 octane will get you 318hp and 380lbs of TQ. 91 octane is about 300hp I think....not sure. NO APR flash for tranny, GIAC makes a chip but pricey for no proven results according to many on Audizine. VAG 32 recodeis free :) and will get yuo first gear!
The APR chip is absolutely worth it even without other mods. I would strongly conmsider upgrading the DVs (Audi's 710's are fine and cheap) and the TBB though. ANother good mod is athe Piggy pipes, 335 from VAST plus install and yuo'll see more power/torque as well as reduce tmeperature behinf the turbos. Works well with chipped car.
Are the Stainless steal DV's basically the same as the 710's?, Basically are they just for looks?
What about bigger DV's?
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/27/2007 3:11:31 PM
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formulagigi
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Not sure about bigger DV's, if you'd benefit.. I know your engione cover would not fit ;)
I had hyperboost DVs and now have maintenance free APR's but really you don't ahve to spend that kind of $ if you're on a budget. Some Stage3 guys run the 710's. I think they are liek 40 bucks or so.. aftermarket typically are 150+...
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/28/2007 5:37:26 AM
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Burzum
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The A6 I saw had Baily DVs and the cover fit without an issue. I'm not sure if those are classified as "bigger" or not.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/28/2007 8:11:34 AM
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Tha Abbot
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I was always against chipping for different reason, but you pretty much have to chip them, the autos anyway. I try to run a older Acura TL (2003) and a Neon SRT-4, both beat me.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/28/2007 9:50:07 AM
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formulagigi
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yeap if your car is an Auto especially, it is NO match for a Neon SRT-4, even chipped I think.
The TL should be close to your car stock, but you'd definitely beat it once chipped.... Propbably run a mid 5 with chip
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/28/2007 11:41:53 AM
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Thats a let down 4real because the SRT-4 only do the 1/4 mile in a 14.7 and the A6 auto cant beat that even with the chip . I had a course between the A6 and a Volvo S60 R, I went for the A6 because of the price. I really dont want to void my warranty with the chip
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/28/2007 3:02:33 PM
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formulagigi
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I know a local SRT4 that runs much faster than 14.7 stock, those are quick... Your car stock will run abuot that and low 14's chipped maybe lower if yuo can drive it :) If they arec indeed 14.7 cars then yuo could run with one chipped but I think they run faster than that
I doubt a dealer will void your warranty systemically due to chip! Maybe of you ahve a engine problem possibly related to the extra power, but not ALL repairs... That would not be legal I think. YUO can easily prove for example that a chip did not cause your window regualtor, or A/C unit or... to break down...
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 4:56:34 AM
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Burzum
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You could get a flashloader and switch between programs. When you take it to the dealer just flash it back to stock and they wouldn't know. I thought I heard a case of the dealer flashing over an ECU once though and wiping out someones APR or GIAC...
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 5:45:54 AM
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Thats a let down 4real because the SRT-4 only do the 1/4 mile in a 14.7 and the A6 auto cant beat that even with the chip. I had a course between the A6 and a Volvo S60 R, I went for the A6 because of the price. I really dont want to void my warranty with the chip
This is a let down. For me, it was a toss up between the Mazdaspeed 6 and the A6, but I was talking into getting the A6 because Audi is in a higher class then Mazda. Also, I thought the A6 would be a lot faster then what it is because it has the S4 engine and by it being twin turbo. I mean the car is faster then the 1999 Mazda Millenia S that i traded to get the A6, but I guess that i was thinking or hoping to beat up on bigger cars. Meaning cars other then Civics and Integras.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 10:09:43 AM
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formulagigi
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Thats a let down 4real because the SRT-4 only do the 1/4 mile in a 14.7 and the A6 auto cant beat that even with the chip. I had a course between the A6 and a Volvo S60 R, I went for the A6 because of the price. I really dont want to void my warranty with the chip
This is a let down. For me, it was a toss up between the Mazdaspeed 6 and the A6, but I was talking into getting the A6 because Audi is in a higher class then Mazda. Also, I thought the A6 would be a lot faster then what it is because it has the S4 engine and by it being twin turbo. I mean the car is faster then the 1999 Mazda Millenia S that i traded to get the A6, but I guess that i was thinking or hoping to beat up on bigger cars. Meaning cars other then Civics and Integras.
The Maszda6 is awesome for the $ and you won't have regulator, copil pack issues :) It is also faster than the A6 2.7T and handles better. But the Audi is a nicer car, lke you said a different/higher class! The A6 has a good engine with lots of potential too but it is too heavy, way too heavy!!!! Theb 6spd tranny helps though, about 1/2 sec faster.
Chipped though, our A6's really rock!
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 10:11:23 AM
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formulagigi
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You could get a flashloader and switch between programs. When you take it to the dealer just flash it back to stock and they wouldn't know. I thought I heard a case of the dealer flashing over an ECU once though and wiping out someones APR or GIAC...
I have the ability to switch b/w stock and 93. I tmight help but if they want to, they can check and see that you're chipped. there are logs I believe.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 5:08:58 PM
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GIGI, what chip are you runnng and were did you have it done. Whats the difference between the chips on ECStuning.com (programs...1,2,3and4). What does that mean? Also, does chipping have any negative effects on the car. And how could it be erased? Sorry, for the test here. Thanks!
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 11/29/2007 8:42:56 PM
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formulagigi
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I have the APR software, flashed by GMP Performance in Charlotte, NC in maybe 20 minutes. I have the sotck and 93 octane programs plus the Throttle Body alignment and Fault code eraser.
ECS tuning sells the APR software, all the different programs just like GMP does. Same thing.
There is actually a sale on APR chips for the holidays, I was just told yesterday by Stephen the owner of GMP as I was talking to him about going stage 3 with the APR kit. So if you want the APR chip, do it now.
Porgam 1, 2 3.... just mean how many of their programs/options you want: Stock, 91 oct, 93, 100, Valet mode, APR security lock out, Anti=theft.
So you can pick just one, most people do 91 or 93 oct, or TWO programs, like 93 and stock in case you want to switch back and forth, or 3 or all... YOU can select/switch programs with the cruise control button.
INcreasing boost will free tremendous power form your car so will more strain on engine... It is recommended to upgrade DV's and TTB. APR chip keep the car very reliable and driveable.
Incredible mod for the $.
It could be erased by overriding the program. Say by a dealer... rare though I think.
To me chipping with APR is a no brainer.
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RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/1/2007 5:00:01 PM
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Coors
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Nice! Do you notice a significant increase in power with the chip? Does it increase low end and top power? I am still a little leary about the chip, I love my car and don't want to subject it to any pre-mature failure. Thoughts??
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