RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!!
Login  | |
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/2/2007 5:42:14 PM
|
|
|
mathewdavid21@aol.co
Posts: 1
Joined: 12/2/2007
Status: offline
|
I just bought an 04 2.7T, Which company can demo the ECU flash and do they charge for the demo flash. I chipped a Porsche for 1k and it was not very noticeable. I sure would like to test drive it first. How much to upgrade the DV's and TBB. Is there any real gain on air filter and or intake. What about lowering springs. Thanks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/2/2007 9:18:46 PM
|
|
|
formulagigi
Posts: 1128
Joined: 4/23/2007
Status: offline
|
There is noticeable change from the ECU, trust the hundreds or thousands who've done it on this forum or Audizine. I don't know in you area, but GMP does 1hr demos for free. Where are you? Find a local APR dealer and call them up for a demo. Or find someone on a forum that is local to you and have them give you a ride.
Not sure about aftermakret TBB's, check on line. I did the APR bipipe and love it: $300. Upgraded TBBs are cheaper. Aftermarket DV's like Hyperboost or APR's R1 are about 160 each and it is a DIY install. You can just get Audi 710 DV;s from the TT and they'll run you a lot less, I think they sued to be in the $40's.
Yes lowering is a good idea. Although you can go cheap and just do springs, it will be bouncy and wear out your shocks prematurely. Do Shocks and springs or set of Coil Overs like PSS9, H&R's or KW3's.
Don't waste your $ on air intake on our cars... Not productive. get sway bars instead.
ok here's prices on the SAMCO TBB and APR Bipipe" $70 and $350 but I think there is a sale on APR product
http://www.gmpperformance.com/index.cfm?PG=byVehicle_list_parts&CID=5622
_____________________________
 
2004 A6 Stg 2+ and 99 TJ...mod
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 7:06:26 AM
|
|
|
Coors
Posts: 192
Joined: 8/19/2007
From: Philly, PA
Status: offline
|
Wow! OK! Thanks GIGI. Whats the deal with the demo chip. Will a local shop flash your ECU for an hour or so, to let you test drive the chip, so to speak?
_____________________________
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you think he did not exist...then poof, he is gone.
01 2.7T
Stage 2
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 8:48:26 AM
|
|
|
formulagigi
Posts: 1128
Joined: 4/23/2007
Status: offline
|
Yup! I've seen it done at GMP Ask your lcoal guy if he'll do it
_____________________________
2004 A6 Stg 2+ and 99 TJ...mod
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 10:26:39 AM
|
|
|
Teutonic2.7T
Posts: 141
Joined: 11/14/2007
Status: offline
|
does anyone know a a good shop in nyc or CT?
the chip sounds too good to be true.. what are the downsides really... i'm assuming:
-paying more for gas
-premature engine wear
-greater emissions
anyone want to list a comprehensive list of pros and cons?? if it hasn't been done already it sounds like a sticky to me!
< Message edited by Teutonic2.7T -- 12/3/2007 10:29:35 AM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 12:27:33 PM
|
|
|
Burzum
Posts: 268
Joined: 5/6/2007
Status: offline
|
From what I've heard in my research (not my actual experience). My S4 gets GIAC'd on Friday :D I can't wait!
Pro: Slight increase in gas mileage if you can keep your foot out of it
Con: You can't keep your foot out of it.
Pro: More power and all that jazz (duh)
Con: Higher boost and your inability to keep your foot out of it cause the turbos to wear a little faster
Pro: You get to replace your K03s a little sooner with K04s!
Con: You have to buy a new flash/chip for the K04s
Pro: Free upgraded tune if you get the fuel kit on your K03s.
_____________________________
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough - Mario Andretti
Stage I B5 S4 gone but not forgotten :(
Current ride: Chevy Colorado Z71 4x4 "Are you sure you're pushing the skinny pedal?"
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 1:01:42 PM
|
|
|
Tha Abbot
Posts: 104
Joined: 10/19/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Teutonic2.7T
does anyone know a a good shop in nyc or CT?
the chip sounds too good to be true.. what are the downsides really... i'm assuming:
-paying more for gas
-premature engine wear
-greater emissions
anyone want to list a comprehensive list of pros and cons?? if it hasn't been done already it sounds like a sticky to me!
PROS.
1.) 70 extra hp = Speed = more fun to drive
CONS
1.) Voids any warranty that you might have (about $1700-$2400 for a aftermarket warranty)(Dealer Warranty). http://www.giacusa.com/faq.php (Question #6)
2.) Deal won't installed (if your a dealer person like me)
3.) You might lose money, $500-$1000 for the chip if the dealer flash it and $1700-$2400 for the warranties
4.) Engine strain which can led to engine problems and without a warranty equals a whole lot of money
5.) Need to upgrade your brake system so you can stop the 4000 lbs cars
6.) You must replace the throttle boby boot ($40-$60 or $300 for a bipipe) and the diverter valves ($40-$150)(x2)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 1:32:10 PM
|
|
|
Teutonic2.7T
Posts: 141
Joined: 11/14/2007
Status: offline
|
this is good, please keep it going. I (or one of you) can post the results in a new tag.
< Message edited by Teutonic2.7T -- 12/3/2007 1:34:15 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 3:09:57 PM
|
|
|
formulagigi
Posts: 1128
Joined: 4/23/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Tha Abbot
PROS.
1.) 70 extra hp = Speed = more fun to drive
CONS
1.) Voids any warranty that you might have (about $1700-$2400 for a aftermarket warranty)(Dealer Warranty). http://www.giacusa.com/faq.php (Question #6)
2.) Deal won't installed (if your a dealer person like me)
3.) You might lose money, $500-$1000 for the chip if the dealer flash it and $1700-$2400 for the warranties
4.) Engine strain which can led to engine problems and without a warranty equals a whole lot of money
5.) Need to upgrade your brake system so you can stop the 4000 lbs cars
6.) You must replace the throttle boby boot ($40-$60 or $300 for a bipipe) and the diverter valves ($40-$150)(x2)
With regards to your cons:
1- not necessarily true. Never had an issue with AUDi or Aftermarket warranty.
2- I don't understand your #2
3- Your shop should reflash it. YOu bough the right tot hat software
4- Not that nuch of a strain to the engine itself. TURBOS maybe a little, a lot if yuo don't maintain it and beat it up and don't do the warmups/coold down.... there are a lot fo chipped 2.7 with > 100k miles JUST follow the above and upgrade your DVS to N710 for $80 and a SMACO TBB or APR bipipe... YOu'll address most of your concerns
5- ??? YUO can but don't have to... it is not like you're addnig 500hp :) But better pads and $150 SS brake lines help :)
6- Good idea to do so but even if yuo pay 500 or 60 for the chip and 140 for DVs and TBB, that's a steal for 70hp and 120+lb TQ IMO
_____________________________
2004 A6 Stg 2+ and 99 TJ...mod
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/3/2007 6:41:01 PM
|
|
|
Burzum
Posts: 268
Joined: 5/6/2007
Status: offline
|
I checked my TBB the other day and found that it was starting to wear at the clamp. I flipped the sharp part of the clamp to fresh rubber and reinstalled the TBB. I guess maybe I'm a little cheap. Instead of the BiPipe upgrade I found a silicon TBB for around $67. I'll pick up some new hose clamps from AutoZone and slap that on there and save the rest of the $290 for something else.
_____________________________
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough - Mario Andretti
Stage I B5 S4 gone but not forgotten :(
Current ride: Chevy Colorado Z71 4x4 "Are you sure you're pushing the skinny pedal?"
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/4/2007 6:47:09 AM
|
|
|
Teutonic2.7T
Posts: 141
Joined: 11/14/2007
Status: offline
|
friends, friends friends... what i meant was to continue our healthy argument of the pros and cons of chipping,draft a comprehensive list based on everyones input then post it. tha abbot's repost was a little too early; sorry for the misunderstanding.
So, from what i see here we have:
Pros:
- 70 extra hp
- Acceleration, beat-out other drivers
- fun spirited driving experience
Cons:
-paying more for gas
-premature engine wear
-greater emissions
- may void your warranty
- not cheap, and if you dont diy, you must go to an indy shop.. not for the weak-of-heart Dealer Only types
- Should upgrade your brake system so you can stop the 4000 lbs car
- You must replace the throttle body boot ($40-$60 or $300 for a bipipe) and the diverter valves ($40-$150)(x2)
EVERYONE, what do we add? what is unnecessary? - can we get some experts over here!! tech certified?
also, who has a full list of what is needed for a chip. piggies, breaks, ko4's etc.
< Message edited by Teutonic2.7T -- 12/5/2007 10:29:11 AM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/4/2007 6:40:20 PM
|
|
|
Coors
Posts: 192
Joined: 8/19/2007
From: Philly, PA
Status: offline
|
I'm with Tuetonic2.7T. I wanna hear more horror stories and the kind of stories that put silly little smirks on your faces when you leave other high end cars in the dust. I am going down tomorrow to my local APR rep... (in reply to hey51515 comment's) this is our local APR shop.
Carlos Performance
842 Red Lion Road
Suite 21
Philadelphia, PA 19115
I am going to try to get him to flash me for an hour or so. If not, I still am curious to see what all the logistics are behind the upgrade for the direct port software (if applicable).
I'll let you guys know how I made out. Hopefully, I'm the one with the silly little smirk on his face tomorrow!
_____________________________
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you think he did not exist...then poof, he is gone.
01 2.7T
Stage 2
|
|
|
|
|
RE: TO CHIP or Not TO CHIP!! - 12/5/2007 7:49:24 AM
|
|
|
Tha H.N.I.C
Posts: 54
Joined: 10/19/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Coors
I'm with Tuetonic2.7T. I wanna hear more horror stories and the kind of stories that put silly little smirks on your faces when you leave other high end cars in the dust. I am going down tomorrow to my local APR rep... (in reply to hey51515 comment's) this is our local APR shop.
Carlos Performance
842 Red Lion Road
Suite 21
Philadelphia, PA 19115
I am going to try to get him to flash me for an hour or so. If not, I still am curious to see what all the logistics are behind the upgrade for the direct port software (if applicable).
I'll let you guys know how I made out. Hopefully, I'm the one with the silly little smirk on his face tomorrow!
I’m with you guys. I would like to hear some horror stories too, but everyone who has it done seems to be happy with it, so we might not hear too many of them
_____________________________
How's my driving? Run you off the road smiling
1-800 Road Rage, Start dialing
Artist: Canibus
Album: For Whom the Beat Tolls
Song: Poet Laureate Infinity V003
|
|
|
|
|
Printable Version
