RE: A3 - oil consumption
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/5/2007 11:00:01 AM
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Teri
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Hi
Wondering if you can help... I've just registered to this and I'm not so surehow it works....
the reson that I've found myself here is that I've had a similar situation with my A3 I had athe regular servicing done at 8000kl but as I was driivng the other day the oil light came on.... i have 15000kl they tell me that this is normal but I've never owned a car where I have to montitor the oil so closely... not cool... it's a new vehicle!!
thoughts... comments???? i'm calling Audi Canada to get a final answer... I'll let you know
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/5/2007 12:53:34 PM
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cuski
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Stop being lazy, guys. It's not a BIG deal. Read your owner's manual again. Every high performance engine burns oil.
Just check your oil every time you fill up... takes about what, 30 seconds?
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/5/2007 2:52:25 PM
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I don't know about every time you fill up but generally what he ^^^^^ said.
These engines use oil. Fact.
Why else would they give you a litre when you buy the car?
And saying that just because they're German/VAG they shouldn't use oil is plain daft. My two previous 1.8T's both liked oil as does my 2.0T FSI. No leaks, no problems.
In case anyone is interested I've gone through nearly 2 litres in 12k miles and 8 months.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/5/2007 3:48:05 PM
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cuski
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quote:
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I don't know about every time you fill up but generally what he ^^^^^ said.
Yeah, i was going with the manual recommended interval.
Every owner manual you will probably read, in almost every car, will tell you that just because the engine is new, it is no excuse not to check the oil.
BMWs especially were notorious for burning lots of it.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/28/2007 8:25:03 PM
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Billium
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Hello,
I have a 2006 A3, 2.0T with the manual six speed trans. I am going through a quart of oil about every 2500 - 3000 miles. At first I was told by the serviec guys it shouldn't use any oil, then they said it was normal. I don't really know as I am not an audi engineer, but it seems a little excessive. Although it is a high revving engine and I find myself shifting at the 6000 rpm range more often than not. It will be interesting to see were this all leads as I haven't noticed any performance problems as of yet. You would think it would start to effect the performance if it were abnormal. I have to wonder however were that oil is going, is it blowing by the rings? Anyways, if anyone hears a real answer from a reliable source, (preferably audi and not a dealer service guy) than please post it.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/29/2007 12:15:57 AM
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azoceanblue
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Below, is my post from a couple months back:
My oil consumption has gotten better with time, from my 0 to 5k I had to add about a quart, 5k to 15k about a quart & half, 15k to 21k 1/2 quart.
On another forum, the reasoning why the 2.0T burns more oil than say the 1.8T, is the the pcv hose???(I will find the post and be more exact later) is relatively short on the 2.0T versus the 1.8T hose which is considerably longer . . . .I can't find the post, I will look later, remind me, I have been very busy at work, tia.
Found it, from crew217 on Fourtitude:
"Ok, I'll say it here and now, the 2.0t will burn some oil and it is completely normal.
Unlike the 1.8t, the PCV tract on the 2.0t is designed to be much shorter. For instance, it is a mere 7-9" of tubing from the valve cover to the intake manifold whereas the 1.8t, it was probably closer to 24-30" of tract. The amount of oil vapors coming out of the PCV is significant and can be easily exacerbated by someone who drives primarily in the middle to upper RPMs.
Also, our turbos use sleeve bearings which are dependant on oil film providing lubrication and stability to the bearing. A little oil will always leak from the turbo itself.
IMO, anything under 2 qts/5k is normal. VW/Audi requires 1qt/1k before they'll do anything about it."
This is the most logical explanation that I have read. 
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 3/31/2007 3:06:26 PM
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Billium
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ORIGINAL: rich1068
My two previous 1.8T's both liked oil as does my 2.0T FSI. No leaks, no problems.
In case anyone is interested I've gone through nearly 2 litres in 12k miles and 8 months.
My 1.8T didn't use much oil at all. That is why I was suprized that the 2.0 did. My 1.8t had 80,000 miles when I sold it and it burned way less oil than my A3 at 12000 miles. I can't speak for anyone else, but I check my oil almost every fill up, so it isn't a matter of being lazy. It is the first car I have owned in the last 20 years that has used this much oil. If Audi came right out and said that this is normal than that is one thing, but first I was told it shouldn't burn any oil. This kind of feedback from audi service causes lots of confussion, which is probably why so many people are wondering about this on this forum. And by the way, I have a friend that bought a rs4 about 6 months ago, and it uses less oil than the A3, so I guess not all high performace cars burn oil.
Anyway,
thanks for all the feedback.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 4/11/2007 8:18:29 PM
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a3_yuppie
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Turbo cars use more oil, that's just a way of life.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/21/2007 2:22:08 PM
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I am having the same problem... my oil light had came on twice already... the same song and dance... The German superior engineering... BS... We had owned BMWs before... no oil consumption... I know that they use oil as lubricant for the Turbo... just like the aircraft engines... but that is about it... by the way... the aircraft engine is 60+ years technology... my O-320 certainly does not consume any oil like my Audi... They use the oil consumpton clause as CYA... no excuses... serviced at 5K... oil light on at 10K... crappy dealer service (Mission Viejo, CA)... service again at 15K... at 18K the oil light comes on... called dealer... you know the rest... this will be the first and LAST Audi I will ever own in my life... its back to Lexus for me... The service and attitude at some dealership should be included in some horror films... I could have gotten the same lousy service from Toyota or Honda and still save 2K they sock you with for the privilege of "Joining the exclusive club of Audi" and their magazine... I have never visited any dealership for the cars that I had owned... within 1 year I visited Audi dealer 6 times for repairs/services... I curse the car company everyday as I get into my car... I want to let it be known that till the end of my days... there will be nothing but vindictive and vengeful words for the car company when Audi/VW comes into conversation...
Good luck with your cars... I am not...
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/21/2007 4:46:14 PM
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JohnS1
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You rant isn't helping you at all, we all try to help, but if the local dealer fails to remedy the oil leak then you should be calling AudiUSA to describe/complain what you have been thorough.
The dealer should be able to fix this problem, if not then they owe you a new car (California Lemon Law). Have you taken this A3 to another dealer since it’s under power train warranty to have someone else inspect/service it?
If you had read the first part of this message you would have seen that the creation date is June 30, 2004 and that only the European A3 FSI's was discussed at that time. Weird that various users read this message chain over the last three years and commented to it occasionally?
< Message edited by JohnS1 -- 5/21/2007 11:50:07 PM >
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/21/2007 6:30:58 PM
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Chef
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ORIGINAL: twu111
I am having the same problem... my oil light had came on twice already... the same song and dance... The German superior engineering... BS... We had owned BMWs before... no oil consumption... I know that they use oil as lubricant for the Turbo... just like the aircraft engines... but that is about it... by the way... the aircraft engine is 60+ years technology... my O-320 certainly does not consume any oil like my Audi... They use the oil consumpton clause as CYA... no excuses... serviced at 5K... oil light on at 10K... crappy dealer service (Mission Viejo, CA)... service again at 15K... at 18K the oil light comes on... called dealer... you know the rest... this will be the first and LAST Audi I will ever own in my life... its back to Lexus for me... The service and attitude at some dealership should be included in some horror films... I could have gotten the same lousy service from Toyota or Honda and still save 2K they sock you with for the privilege of "Joining the exclusive club of Audi" and their magazine... I have never visited any dealership for the cars that I had owned... within 1 year I visited Audi dealer 6 times for repairs/services... I curse the car company everyday as I get into my car... I want to let it be known that till the end of my days... there will be nothing but vindictive and vengeful words for the car company when Audi/VW comes into conversation...
Good luck with your cars... I am not...
Good bye!
Personally, you shouldn't even own a German, turbo-powered, car if you're not checking the oil for over 5k miles. DUDE, these cars need maintanence and upkeep, not a Japanese forget about it and drive attitude. Do yourself a favor and go back to Japanese and be happy. It is perfectly normal for these engines to use oil as many have described. Learn to pay attention to your car or sell it to someone who will.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/21/2007 10:56:52 PM
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well spoken chef
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/27/2007 11:51:35 AM
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tundar
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I had an oil consumption problem as well but in my case, there was no or little oil in my car. The dip stick had a scent of gasoline in it meaning that there was a seal problem and I was burning gas and oil. Misfiring and excessive reving resulted in my car being towed in. All this with 6,000K just after my 15,000K service. There was condensation in oil caps and breather ports. The Tech had to contact their Tech line to solve the problem There as a coil problem and they needed to replace all coils and breather valves. Ive been returning to the dealership every 1,000K to have the oil level checked. Everything seems ok now but well see..... Oh yeah, It's all under the warrenty so atleast that's good.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 5/27/2007 9:47:06 PM
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Bezor
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Everywhere I've read, and in speaking with my dealer, this is a common problem. The car does run rich, most aftermarket tuners take advantage of this in the reprogrammed engine management software reflash. A quick look at your tail pipes will show where the oil is going...
At 4,500 miles, I checked mine after all the reading I did, and yeah, it was a 1/2 quart low. I've simply bought a few bottles of oil and keep 'em stashed in the garage. Just like I check my air and my washer fluid, I check my oil. No big deal, but annoying if you aren't use to it.
BTW: Someone mentioned BMW in this thread. Yeah, no, my E46 is very good at maintaining it's oil. It's never black when I change it, and it's never low. Good thing the oil is the same between the A3 and the E46.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/2/2007 11:37:40 AM
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So far mine is not burning any oil. I got a 2007 A3 2.0t with 6MT about three weeks. ago. I just rolled over 3400 miles yesterday (yes, I drive a lot), and the oil is still at the max level on the dipstick. I check this every gas up or at least every other one, but so far no oil usage.
Is this something that perhaps does not happen as much on the newer cars or does it burn more with age?
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/2/2007 11:47:20 AM
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Actually, it's just the opposite. You should be using more oil in the beginning, until all of the seals are set, then the consumption should go down some. My car was like yours, almost perfectly full for the first 4k miles, then I lost a whole quart on the last 1k miles before the oil change. I go through about 1/2 to 1 quart every 5k miles. It just so happens that I change my oil every 5k miles anyway, so I've never really had to top off the fluid. When it gets a little low, then it's usually time for a change. BTW, I have 25k miles on my car at this point.
Another thing that I was taught many years ago with a turbo was to "drive it like you stole it". It basically means that your turbo needs to be worked out regularly to stay in good working order. Bring the car to redline at least once every time you drive it, but obviously wait until the engine is warm. This will keep carbon from building up on the turbo propellers, help push excess oil out of the intercooler, and generally keep all of the pathways clear and flowing well. Consider it like exercising your heart to keep your body healthy. AND, I've never had a turbo fail ever on any of my cars.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/2/2007 5:25:03 PM
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witt
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Thats interesting chef....
i'd like to hear what others's opinions on this are. . .
its an interesting theory and im not throwing it away... but i do doubt it some....
opinions??
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Actually, it's just the opposite. You should be using more oil in the beginning, until all of the seals are set, then the consumption should go down some. My car was like yours, almost perfectly full for the first 4k miles, then I lost a whole quart on the last 1k miles before the oil change. I go through about 1/2 to 1 quart every 5k miles. It just so happens that I change my oil every 5k miles anyway, so I've never really had to top off the fluid. When it gets a little low, then it's usually time for a change. BTW, I have 25k miles on my car at this point.
Another thing that I was taught many years ago with a turbo was to "drive it like you stole it". It basically means that your turbo needs to be worked out regularly to stay in good working order. Bring the car to redline at least once every time you drive it, but obviously wait until the engine is warm. This will keep carbon from building up on the turbo propellers, help push excess oil out of the intercooler, and generally keep all of the pathways clear and flowing well. Consider it like exercising your heart to keep your body healthy. AND, I've never had a turbo fail ever on any of my cars.
Cheers!
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/2/2007 7:28:08 PM
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Chef
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What?!?
You don't blindly believe everything I say?!?
How dare you!!!
LOL
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/3/2007 5:27:59 AM
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the turbo in the A3 is small, and oil cooled. I can understand how redlining the engine helps to burn crud out of it, I have always been a believer in running the engine hard sometimes to heat it up and burn crud not just from the engine, but also from the turbo.
My only other advice is if you just finished driving the car hard and are parking it, let the engine idle for 30 seconds or so. If you kill the engine while the turbo is still spinning at high speed, it loses oil flow and the oil in the bearing will overheat and solidify, called coking. After too much of this you need a new turbo. This is not as big a deal here and our turbos are small so they slow down fairly rapidly, but it should still help.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 6/3/2007 9:14:05 AM
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Yep, very true. We also have a coolant lines which help to reduce the temperature of the turbo, but it definitely needs to cool after working hard.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 7/9/2007 8:35:19 PM
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Thanks Chef, I came home worried tonight after the oil light came on. The prior owner had the 15,000 mile servie done at 11,000 for me prior to purchase. I now have 14,800 on it and I had to at 2qts to it.
It was just at the dealer a month ago for electrical work. It seems that rabbits/rodents like the sheathing on the wires nd they didn't mention it. I will call an independent and the dealer tomorrow to get their take on it. I have to admit my last series of Jeeps (v8's) only used oil when I ran them really hard, it does not suprise me that these use some too. I don't beat mine up but I am spirited.
Thanks again.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 7/26/2007 5:36:56 PM
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So where do you folks find the oil to top up? Didn't find any at my local PepBoys that meet the standard specified in the owners manual. One dealer grudgingly gave me 1 quart, the other said "bring it in and we'll top it up for you".
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 7/26/2007 6:26:40 PM
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That's garbage. If I'm driving and the low oil comes on, I wouldn't want to have to find time to go to the dealer! I'm stopping ASAP to top that off.
As for finding the right oil, I just bought some a couple days ago. After visiting Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys, and Autozone I have only seen one 5w-40, it was Castrol synthetic. I did also see Mobil 1 and Valvoline synthetics in 0w-40 that said they meet the VW/Audi 502.00 spec. You can also buy Pentosin 5w-40 (German, I think?) in quarts and jugs from ECS. Never hurts to keep some around, even if you don't need it at the moment.
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RE: A3 - oil consumption - 7/26/2007 6:47:24 PM
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a3insf,
Found both Castrol Syntec and Mobile 1 at my local Pepboys in Denver maybe you could try Kragen, Schucks, Checker (whatever its called in your neck of the woods). The dealer is using Castrol and my other Audi mechanic who is servicing my ride in between the dealers outragous 10k service is a Mobile 1 fan.
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