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Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 7:06:32 AM
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bigsnowdog
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Having not had a car for ten years, driving only trucks, and with an enthusiasm for European cars, I have decided to buy another car. I have narrowed down to Volvo and Audi, and decide that I believe I like the Audi’s better. I still have a bit of a dilemma, however, in that I am vacillating between three quite different models, for somewhat different reasons.
I like the A6, A4, and TT. No, I can’t buy several, just one. My uses will be mostly commuting, but some several hundred mile trips. Rarely, the long vacation trip.
I really like the attention to detailing, the quality aesthetics, and the solid feel of the Audi cars. The Volvo S60/S80 is nice, too, but the Audi seems to have an edge that is perceptible.
My past includes an appreciation of British sports cars and I did put about 200,000 miles in total on several 900 turbo 3- door, 5-speed Saabs, and found that to be a really great car.
Now, 25 years later, I have enlarged the circle of what I appreciate to include a classy ride. Ride in this case meaning the overall experience, not just the suspension.
The A4 is fun and nimble, though the 4 seems a little buzzy. I like the quality look and feel of it, and the great gas mileage.
The A6 is gorgeous and elicited major responses from my significant other, who has been largely indifferent to the vehicles I have considered. She also liked the TT. It is fun to drive, very quick, and radiates quality. Very appealing visually, inside and out.
The TT is just a piece of automotive art, appropriate to represent all that is great about German engineering and design. Enormous fun to drive, very roomy inside, more so than one would think.
I am 6’ 1-1/2” tall, and leg room is an issue. The A6 seems better than the A4. I have driven a TT roadster and want to drive a couple to see how they differ in leg room.
I may have upset the moderators, as I have raised this question in the A6, A4, and T forums, but I wanted a balance of opinion, since I felt that each model owner would have a bias. Perhaps there are some here who have owned multiple models and can give more objective opinions.
I am undecided on FWD vs AWD.
Discuss....
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 8:34:40 AM
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muphasta
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My wife drives an 03 Volvo V70 and we are very pleased with the Volvo. I drive an 03 A6 2.7t and am very pleased with it.
I find the Volvo seats to be the most comfortable, but the Audi is set up more for spirited driving. The suspension is a bit stiffer, where the V70 will roll a bit, the A6 does not.
Her's is the 2.4t so it isn't that much slower, but my 4 year old prefers my car.
Do you guys do anything w/other couples? I went to the dealership wanting an A3. I found that since the wife and I are each 6', there would be no room in the back seat for car seats or other passengers as we push the front seats all the way back. So I tried the A4. Same thing. It does not really offer a lot of room in the back seat with my seat where I'd like it.
The A6 has ample leg room for adults in the back. I've never had to move my seat forward for an adult sitting behind me. So, if you do drive w/other couples, you would not be uncomfortable in your pilot's chair.
Getting back to Volvo, her V70 is in the same leg room class as the A4. We always have to move the front seats forward to accomodate adults. Now w/our infant in a rear facing seat, the passenger seat is so far forward that my knees are nearly brushing the dash.
Many on these boards bash Volvo for their plasticy interiors, but ours seems pretty nice. You can't beat the seats, and it's ride quality is pretty good for those desiring a smooth one.
The A6 has more interior room, a much more refined interior overall and is able to be driven in the twisties w/minimal body roll. I did specify the 03 2.7t as I believe it has the "sport" suspension stock.
Good luck!
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 8:52:26 AM
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Four Ring Circus
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Hey bigsnowdog,
You gave me an easy answer. You've got to go with the A6. I'll keep this short, since I have some painting to do.
- A6 is the largest most versatile. This was the most important to me. My A6 was the perfect compromise for me on what I wanted in a car. I have a tunable, six-speed, twin turbo all wheel drive rocketship that I can take to Costco instead of my wife's SUV and still get a ton of groceries. I don't have to sell my car when my wife tells me she is pregnant. You are "bigsnowdog" as opposed to "'lilsnowdog." The TT and even the A4 will be on the cramped side for you. As far as passenger space goes, the A6 wins hands down (TT can't compete here). I've had many passengers in the back seat comment how much they love being driven around in my A6. Also, the trunk of the A6 can transform into a bottomless cavern with the seats down, and is still plenty huge even while up.
- A6 wins on class. You want a classy car? The A6 can pull in to any valet and will get respect as a proper, full sized European Sedan. I think this must be important to your lady, since she the A6 elicited major responses from your significant other (my imagination is running away with me... where was I?).
- Safety. I'd rather be in my A6 in a wreck than the other two.
- Value. You get a lot of bang for your buck on a used A6.
Finally, get the quattro for the love of god. Audi pioneered modern AWD and it is their real forte. That's like getting one of your Volvos and telling them you are going to pass on airbags and crumple zones. Besides, any snowdog will appreciate quattro when traction is ever an issue (when is it ever not an issue?).
Your real question should be, should I go with the 4.2, or the incredibly awesome
biturbo 2.7T?<---
< Message edited by Four Ring Circus -- 12/22/2007 9:03:51 AM >
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 8:54:41 AM
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Four Ring Circus
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(oops).
< Message edited by Four Ring Circus -- 12/22/2007 9:02:36 AM >
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 9:28:22 AM
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formulagigi
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Hey
I am 6'2" and 235 lbs. I test drove TT's, old and new A4's, Acura TL's, Volvo S60R', 3 series...
I really waned an Audi, I love their interior, they set the tone for the industry... thes best bar none.
Volvo does have among the best seats in the industry, certainly more comfortable than te Audi's on long rides, although the Audi's aren't bad eiter. The A4 ad to some extent the A6 will have a tighter sportier ride than the volvo, which is overall softer.
Do you have kids? Do you give friends ride often? If so, you MUST go with the A6, bot the volvo and A4 are short on rear space. I was actually shopping for the size below... an A4/S4 or BMW 3... but having kids, the rear seat as not big enough. In addition, I will confirm te trunk of my A6 is cavenous!!!! Been very useful! My wife and I are able to take the A6 to go out on or go on short vaca instead of the van, even with my 3 little ones. Good for me, cause I hate her van! :)
A key phrase in your post is... the one abbout your significant other's reaction! If she likes it and is happy, you'll be happy! GO FOR IT... believ me jus that is worth it... and just buy the 2.7T this way you can mod it and make it a rocket that will ut the TT to shame! This you're happy nd she is happy!! :)
Th TT is a GREAT car, but I was not comfortable driving it, very tight, my lgs were touching the door... Just too tight. Would be a great second car for fun but not my main river especially if you drive long distances. And forge about ever taking people with you!
I think the A6 isan awesome car, my only dislike is its weight... and I would definitely get a manual!
You cannot go wrong with an Audi :) but DO please DO GET a QUATTRO!!!!!!
It is just awesome technology you'll laugh at faster cars in bad weather! It will put the power down
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 9:47:39 AM
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Kevin
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My conclusion, A6 4.2 s-line. You will love the new 4.2 fsi. Plenty of room and a great cruiser.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 10:40:52 AM
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bigsnowdog
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Two engines are being referenced here. Are you meaning two engines besides the V8, or is the V8 being counted as one? I would not buy the V8, due to mileage.
If two alternative 6's, have they both been available since 2004 or 2005, whenever it was that the new body style came into production? I cannot afford a new one, and so would buy a certified used example, such as 2005 or 2006.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 12:11:08 PM
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The C6 chassis (2005 and up) is only available with the 3.2 V6 or the 4.2 V8.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 12:44:31 PM
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If you want >'04 then definitely get the 4.2L V8, you won't be disappointed. If you're good about it you'll still get over ~21 mpg at speeds around 70-80. Now, the 3.2 (255hp) will give you better MPG, but won't give you the same power that the 4.2 will (335hp).
If you are more concerned with a slightly better fuel econony with less expensive fuel (87 octane vs the 91 required in the 4.2) then go with the 3.2.
If you like the idea of a twin turbo V-6 with a standard drive then seriously consider rolling back to 02-04. IIRC you will still be using 91 octane, which is the same for the 4.2, but your MPG will be over ~25 depending on how much fun you're having.
Whatever you do, go with the A6!
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 1:02:00 PM
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bigsnowdog
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Khardysius
If you want >'04 then definitely get the 4.2L V8, you won't be disappointed. If you're good about it you'll still get over ~21 mpg at speeds around 70-80. Now, the 3.2 (255hp) will give you better MPG, but won't give you the same power that the 4.2 will (335hp).
If you are more concerned with a slightly better fuel econony with less expensive fuel (87 octane vs the 91 required in the 4.2) then go with the 3.2.
If you like the idea of a twin turbo V-6 with a standard drive then seriously consider rolling back to 02-04. IIRC you will still be using 91 octane, which is the same for the 4.2, but your MPG will be over ~25 depending on how much fun you're having.
Whatever you do, go with the A6!
What scares me about the 02-04 age is simply that it is older, will have a lot more miles, and the possibility of big repair costs coming soon.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/22/2007 1:11:34 PM
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Khardysius
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Which is more difficult for you to deal with? The price of a '05-'06 up front, considering it has a CPO warranty, or a lower price of a '02-'04 that may need certain maintenances?
Would you change your mind if you purchased an aftermarket warranty for a few grand instead of paying $10-15k (or more) a newer CPO'd car?
In regards to mileage itself, I've seen a lot of cars with 50k miles in great condition.
Intuition tells me you are leaning for the newer car and that is ok. You can't go wrong with an Audi. Maybe you should just get the RS6! :)
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 8:55:49 AM
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formulagigi
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you can find an 04 A6 with 25 to 40k miles... and some are certified.
I also think the 04 looks better thna the new A6 but that is a matter of taste. Plus the 04 allows you a third engine choice, the 2.7T is you would like to upside of chip and such... The 4.2 is a reliable car and fairly strong V8.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 9:06:18 AM
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bigsnowdog
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Tell me about the 2.7T — others posting here seem to have it — and why is it no longer offered?
Living in the midwest, another reason i have against an older car is the inevitability of body rust. Newer is better in that crude sense. I think the older ones look nice, too, however, and may be advantageous due to not having that single knob, Star Wars control system.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 9:39:57 AM
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formulagigi
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The 2.7T is essentialy the 2.8 engine modified (thivker cyl walls) and with two small turbos. it is almost (or as)as quick as the 4.2 of the same year and is highly tunable to over 400 AWHP. Just a chip will take it to 320hp and 380 lbs TQ in 93 oct and quicker than the 4.2 with just that. Lots of aftermarket parts for it to improve power, reliability, braking, handling, looks....
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 9:45:05 AM
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When I was originally looking at Audis, I was only looking at S4s. I really like the niche cars like AMG, M, and the S and RS. Although I really like the newer ones with the v8, they were out of my price range. The S4s with the 2.7T were a little smaller and seemed to be the "tuner's choice." What it boils down to is that you can do a ton with a turbocharged car to make it even faster, i.e. re-tune ECU, bigger turbos, intercoolers etc. My problem was that I could not find an S4 near me that didn't appear abused for less than $20,000. The ones I liked were more like $24,000. Then I happened to look at A6s, figuring they would be out of my price range too. Low and behold, I picked up my Audi A6, 2.7T sport with the six speed and less than 60k miles for $16,500. What got me really excited was that it seemed like an upgraded S4! It has everything the S4 has, except it is a little bigger, though not much heavier. In my case, I prefer the bigger option. I still have all of the tuning capability as the S4 too. AND, the A6 is much more the sleeper than the S4. Most car people don't know that the A6 2.7T is in fact a 2.7TT and it is a pretty cool engine. I have been rolling around stock for the past six months and have really enjoyed the overall balance of how the car drives. That being said...
My new 710N diverter valves and Achtuning silicone TBB are coming in tomorrow. These address two weak points in the car that should be replaced when chipping. Once you chip the 2.7T, which is in my plans, you push your net to 307hp/366lb-ft on 91 ocatane (APR). That's a nice jump from stock, for around $600. I can't wait to do this, and you can only do this with the A6 2.7T. The other offerings are not nearly as tunable.
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 9:50:46 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Four Ring Circus
When I was originally looking at Audis, I was only looking at S4s. I really like the niche cars like AMG, M, and the S and RS. Although I really like the newer ones with the v8, they were out of my price range. The S4s with the 2.7T were a little smaller and seemed to be the "tuner's choice." What it boils down to is that you can do a ton with a turbocharged car to make it even faster, i.e. re-tune ECU, bigger turbos, intercoolers etc. My problem was that I could not find an S4 near me that didn't appear abused for less than $20,000. The ones I liked were more like $24,000. Then I happened to look at A6s, figuring they would be out of my price range too. Low and behold, I picked up my Audi A6, 2.7T sport with the six speed and less than 60k miles for $16,500. What got me really excited was that it seemed like an upgraded S4! It has everything the S4 has, except it is a little bigger, though not much heavier. In my case, I prefer the bigger option. I still have all of the tuning capability as the S4 too. AND, the A6 is much more the sleeper than the S4. Most car people don't know that the A6 2.7T is in fact a 2.7TT and it is a pretty cool engine. I have been rolling around stock for the past six months and have really enjoyed the overall balance of how the car drives. That being said...
My new 710N diverter valves and Achtuning silicone TBB are coming in tomorrow. These address two weak points in the car that should be replaced when chipping. Once you chip the 2.7T, which is in my plans, you push your net to 307hp/366lb-ft on 91 ocatane (APR). That's a nice jump from stock, for around $600. I can't wait to do this, and you can only do this with the A6 2.7T. The other offerings are not nearly as tunable.
What kind of gas mileage do you get in an A6 powered by the 2.7T?
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RE: Compare your A6 to.... - 12/23/2007 2:57:39 PM
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Bigsnowdog, I think you are comparing apples and oranges when you add TT into the equation. Even A4 and A6 are a little different. Obviously, TT hawls ass. I just drove 2008 with 2.0 FSI turbo with DSG. It is no joke. But once again it is a sports car with only 2 seats. I have a 2001 A6 2.8 avant. Although I really wanted to buy a 2.7T, avant only came in 2.8. I guess for some reason I really like the wagon body style. As for the performance, 2.7T is really quick. I test drove a 4.2 as well, but I had more fun with the turbo than the lower end torque of a 4.2. Not to mention that if you are to chip the turbo, it is east 70+ reliable horses.
Don't be scared by a bit older models such as low 2000s. I bought mine used and got it at a such a low price that I can literally replace the entire motor and the tranny before I catch up to a price of a newer CPO models. I hate to say, but the depreciation on Audis are pretty steep. The good news is that it calls for an opportunity to buy a great car for a lower price by buying a resonably older model.
Also to be frank, I have to warn you that these cars are not CHEAP to maintain. And things WILL break down on you. If you want a reliable car, then go buy a Honda. B06 Aut it is so much nicer to drive my 2001 A6 than my wife's 06 Accord. Even my wife takes my car whenever she gets a chance.
Eithercase, good luck hunting for your new car.
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