true... I see so many TL's painted that gunmetal/greyish color everywhere.. Plus to me they are more of a middle aged persons car. They must be damn heavy.. It is sexy though.. Id go with the TSX before that though, regardless of the awd/power differences. I saw a red TSX that looked real nice yesterday.

 

th hp is off cuz honda test's thier car with that new method of getting hp...

 

Very true...I would bet a million dollars that the quattro system in my audi is "more advanced" but the viscouse coupling system in my dsm was solid as hell, I got through a blizzard without getting stuck. My new quattro as big huge ginormous shoes to fill when comparing awd systems. DOnt get me wrong Im not kncoking audis quattro, just agreeing with what your saying.

 

Whats the new method.... find actual hp and then add whatever numbers needed to be competitive with the others out there, lol

 

yea the new numbers on a lot of cars are lower they make them test them with the ps and accessorys on the engine now and not aloud to use windage trays if they wont be for production use. with the new standards they found chryslers were underrated chrysler said they want the consumer to get more than they expect i personaly want a challenger drooooool

 

yeah mazda found this out the hard way...back about 5 years ago they rated the miata at a higher hp then it was putting out. got them in some trouble. Ford also had issues with the mustang owners didnt like the crank rating ford gave them after they got back from the dyno. But I must agree if they advertise 200hp then dammit when I dyno on a similar dyno I should get 200 +/- a few ponies. Granted if i use a different style dyno then fine but Im tired of paying for 200 hp and getting 150.