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Old 06-09-2009, 12:49 PM
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Default 97 A6 QT Wagon Automatic Tranny Slips

Looking for anyone with experience. My wagon has 134K on it and very recently has started slipping out of gear (at shift points) as I either accelerate to freeway speeds or it clunks through the downshift as I decelerate. This happens around 45 MPH and between 3000 and 3200 rpm. No problems with reverse, on hills or city driving. Fluid is about 1/2 qt low, no computer codes< Any known issues? Or is this likely the kind of problem that requires R&R??
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I thought that the 97 had a sealed transmission and you could only determine the amount of ATF using the drip method with the VagCom for temperature measurement. How was the 1/2 gt low determined?

If the trans is fluid is low get the right amount in there!
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1/2 qt low would do this...
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HOW DID THEY DETERMINE THAT IT WAS A 1/2 QUART LOW?

If they were that far into checking the level it would have been easy to fill the transmission.
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If it was retrofitted with a filler tube and dipstick of course it is possible to guesstimate how much fluid is needed to top it to the specs.

I agree that s/he should just added that "about 1/2 quart" while was checking the fluid level, and am curious, as well, about how the level was determined.
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How do you do a filler tube - dipstick retrofit?
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I came across this article some time back.

Leaving that aside, after looking on Vagcat it looks like the Automatic 4-speed trannys can be retrofitted with a dipstick. It's just my opinion.
The filler tube would screw in the fill plug.
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The transmission is sealed, so the fluid level was checled by using a scanner. So no - they did not open or refill as the mechanic also didn't think the fluid level was the culprit and thought it should go to a tranny specialist in any case.

I'm trying to do my homework before that happens
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Check it with a scanner??? I didn't know it could be done that way!

Everything I have read or done says that you have to attach the VagCom, start the motor, and remove the top drain plug. When the VAG tells you that it is at a certain temp the trans fluid should drip from the hole. If it dosen't it needs more. If it pours out of the hole before it reaches the prescribed temp there is too much.

I can see how a dip stick would work if you monitored the temp but never-ever heard that it could be done with only a scanner.

Make sure the "specialist" understands Audi transmissions. Putting in too much fluid or the wrong stuff can screw up the "go-ability" of your Audi.
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I'm wondering if they put the scanner on to read any codes, didnt find any (regular scanner wont find it), then figured it must be low on fluid based on the symptoms.....?
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Your 1997 A6 should have had the ATF and filter changed every 45,000 miles. Another reason that the transmission may be slipping is that the filter may be badly plugged. There is no way to check the fluid level other than by monitoring the transmission temperature and checking the fluid level with the fill plug removed at the specified temperature. Go to www.ross-tech.com for more information.
You should have the ATF and filter changed and the pan cleaned before you do any more damage to your transmission.
Another reason that Audi transmissions sometimes slip is that some instant oil change places drain the transmission instead of the engine, then add oil to the engine. By the time they figure out that they did it wrong, they then put the wrong ATF in the transmission and get the level wrong.
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Exclamation 1997 A6 Wagon Automatic Tranny Slips Update

Took car to the audi dealer, their conclusion? Internal parts failure in transmission requiring complete repair/rebuild/replace. $5,500.

I have a new dilemma: I replaced the struts/bushings on the front suspension, installed a new timing belt (the second), had front brakes done and 4 new tires within the last 7 months (and 5000 miles).

A local independent Trans Shop recommended by my mechanic told me he gets about 2 Audis of this vintage (or newer) per week w/similar problems - something to do with a clutch disk retention clip that breaks or fails. He says he can do the R&R for between $2,800 and $4,000 averaging $3,300 and will warrant for 24 months or 24K (twice what Audi dealer will do). He also says he usually favors the odds of doing this job when the car is under 115K in mileage because he expects most will last to 200K (meaning the'yll get 80-90K more), although they may need other major work. As usual, it all depends on the individual car

I've always maintained the car well and it look good despite the paint/body being somewhat dinged up thanks to living in San Francisco. I also have a son who is 16 and just about to start driver training. Any advice of whether to donate/sell/repair this car?

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I also should have noted - I have 134K on my A6. So if it only went to 200K I would only realize about 66K more for my investment in transmisison and other repairs. Also - I know that the Power Steering Hydrualic system (pump and or line) is leaking, and the car does use oil...though it has since I got it 36K. about 1 quart every 1500-2000 Miles, regular as rain.
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Why not let your son overhaul the transmission, so he will spend more time in the garage than on the road. Try looking for information from sites such as http://atsg.biz/ .
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Took car to the audi dealer, their conclusion? Internal parts failure in transmission requiring complete repair/rebuild/replace. $5,500.

I have a new dilemma: I replaced the struts/bushings on the front suspension, installed a new timing belt (the second), had front brakes done and 4 new tires within the last 7 months (and 5000 miles).

A local independent Trans Shop recommended by my mechanic told me he gets about 2 Audis of this vintage (or newer) per week w/similar problems - something to do with a clutch disk retention clip that breaks or fails. He says he can do the R&R for between $2,800 and $4,000 averaging $3,300 and will warrant for 24 months or 24K (twice what Audi dealer will do). He also says he usually favors the odds of doing this job when the car is under 115K in mileage because he expects most will last to 200K (meaning the'yll get 80-90K more), although they may need other major work. As usual, it all depends on the individual car

I've always maintained the car well and it look good despite the paint/body being somewhat dinged up thanks to living in San Francisco. I also have a son who is 16 and just about to start driver training. Any advice of whether to donate/sell/repair this car?
Have you even considered TOPPING OFF the fluid to the required amount? I mean if the dealer deemed that is "1/2 quart low" by scanning it, why they didn't top off or at least offer to perform the service before making you spend a **** load of Benjamins?
It seems like everyone going to the dealers with transmission problems (lower or high mileage) invariably get the same answer - "replacing the whole shebang".
Guess what? It is a very lucrative (meaning extremely profitable) proposition for the dealer to just replace the tranny. Out of the $ 5,500 I bet you they get to keep at least half of it. How did they reach the conclusion that is an "internal mechanical failure" without opening the tranny? Did you ask them?

How about the indie shop? Did they offer to firstly top off the fluid to the required level? I bet not.

Do yourself a favor and top off that fluid, or change the ATF altogether + FILTER and then see what that does for you.
If that doesn't correct the problem, then indeed the indie shop mechanic may have a niche with that "disk retention clip". Obviously for him all the Audis have the same problem... All the cats are black in the night, no?
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Yep... again, symptoms indicate low fluid.
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I'm in for topping it off. Audi does not rebuild transmissions anyway they replace them so what would they know about it. They tell me the strangest things at Audi.

If it does need one and since it's burning oil I wouldn't do it. Better off finding another they are going cheap now.
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You may get an ATF fluid refill and filter kit with instructions from www.blauparts.com, but be sure to get some extra ATF. Usually, low ATF will cause transmission slipping. However, the pan must be cleaned and the new filter installed, before refilling the ATF with a hand pump which is in the kit.
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Actually the pump is sold separately ($ 13.95)
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