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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
Just do the VR6. No sense in wasting time. LOL. The motor is dirt cheap, it's the other work that takes time if you have it. It's a long list, but if you're serious about potential for future power, Chaos is right with the vr6 being where it's at.
Since you're swapping from a 12v motor, no matter what you go with you'll need a complete harness and new motor mounts, so when in Rome... PS- less than 2 weeks ago I had my 96 a4 with motor out and the car prepped for a swap. I hope you got the car for a song and a dance, because it's a long road, and an expensive one to travel, no matter what motor you are swapping to. Ryan |
RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
But wait, how big are the vr6 motors? are they about the same size at the normal v6's? because if they are how will a turbo fit? or can they only be supercharged from that point on? because if they can make a vr6 turbo fit in a 96 v6 then i need the turbo layout for that :P
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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
So what would be needed to be done to swap in a thirty valve. Is the timing and heads the only thing different or is there ECU and fuel rail issues? Also does anyone know the difference in spec from the US version of the VR6 and a european one?
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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4 But wait, how big are the vr6 motors? are they about the same size at the normal v6's? because if they are how will a turbo fit? or can they only be supercharged from that point on? because if they can make a vr6 turbo fit in a 96 v6 then i need the turbo layout for that :P the VR6's are smaller than a normal V6 and they mount it longitudinally in the bay and but the turbo on the side, If you will direct your sights on 034motorsports you can actually by the parts you need to adapt the VR6 to the Audi chassis. as for the original poster, the 30v uses a different Ecu than the 12v. No I don't know the difference but I do know that if I had the money I would have a BT 12v VR6 sitting under my hood right now. |
RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
ORIGINAL: CAB509 ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4 But wait, how big are the vr6 motors? are they about the same size at the normal v6's? because if they are how will a turbo fit? or can they only be supercharged from that point on? because if they can make a vr6 turbo fit in a 96 v6 then i need the turbo layout for that :P the VR6's are smaller than a normal V6 and they mount it longitudinally in the bay and but the turbo on the side, If you will direct your sights on 034motorsports you can actually by the parts you need to adapt the VR6 to the Audi chassis. as for the original poster, the 30v uses a different Ecu than the 12v. No I don't know the difference but I do know that if I had the money I would have a BT 12v VR6 sitting under my hood right now. 1sika4, I'd suggest some research on the vr6 swap. There's alot to cover on that topic. :D |
RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4 1 pipe then turbo...and yeh chaos92287 is right, and 1.8ts can only have about 300HP to? wow that sucks i would think they could go alittle more but whatever lol power is power :) ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4 But wait, how big are the vr6 motors? are they about the same size at the normal v6's? because if they are how will a turbo fit? or can they only be supercharged from that point on? because if they can make a vr6 turbo fit in a 96 v6 then i need the turbo layout for that :P http://www.034motorsport.com/gallery...17VR6TACAR.jpg |
RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
if you are serious about doing a vr6 swap, there is no one better to talk to than Issam from 034. you can contact him on vortex or motorgeek, pretty sure he goes by Wizard-of-OD in both places. he's a great guy, very helpful, and will lay out everything you gotta do.
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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
You guys have answered alot of my questions. Okay so lets say that i want to do the Vr6 engine swap and I am going to pull it from a european version jetta and it had a automatic. It is a 97 by the way. So is there a hp difference from this engine to a regular american vr6 i can plainly see that the intake cover has a different design but thats all I can tell and more importantly can this bolt to the manual trans that is in my Audi? What do I have to do to make that work
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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
034 carries all the parts you need for the swap and yes it'll bolt up to your tranny. most people get the vr6 from a wrecked passat since its usually the cheapest. trust me when i say you'll get no better help than from Issam. no one on this forum has ever done a vr6 swap, Issam has a couple under his belt.
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RE: 96 audi engine build suggestions
this is the best info i have on the subject
ORIGINAL: chaos92287 Courtesy of Issam (from 034) 1) VR6 Engine = $500US (for the sake of argument) (6) Forged JE Pistons @ 140 a piece = 840 (1) Cylinder Head gasket set = 127.20 (1) Set of AntiFriction Mains & Rod bearings = 200 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=952 (1) Head Stud set = 248 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=799 (1) Main stud set = 155 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=777 (1) Rod bolt set = 120 (1) 034 Motorsport VR6 flywheel = 450 (1) 034 Motorsport VR6 starter motor = 450 (1) VR5 adapter plate = 235 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=665 (1) 034 MS fuel rail = 95 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...oducts_id=1221 (1) Valve spring set + retainers = 285 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...roducts_id=618 (1) VR6 turbo manifold = 150US (1) VR6 intake manifold = 800US (1) 034EFI Stage IIc = 1750 (1) Set of techtonics cams 288* = 495 (1) Garrett GT3582R = 1395 Total so far = 8295.20 yeah the 12v vr6 engine shouldn't run you more than 250, so that would bring the price down to 8 g's but you also gotta add a FMIC, bov, wg, piping, and minor custom work to subframe, etc...and we haven't even started talking about suspension and bbk. so if you have a car already pretty much built to BT specs, you would be spending around 8 g's, a completely stock a4 were looking around 12-14 g's. |
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