Flame On!!! Hydrogen Conversion Kits for the TT?
it's the 'alot of amperage' part I'd be concerned with in a car. The alternator can only support so much, and putting more electrical load on the alternator is going to backfeed thru to putting more mechanical load on the motor. More load on motor = lower MPGs.
Can that little set up actually overcome all that load enough to provide improved milage?
Can that little set up actually overcome all that load enough to provide improved milage?
I take it you have no idea how an alternator works !!! An alternator has a stator which is wraped by wire(windings), and magnets.Putting a bigger load (requesting more current) on your alternator will never ever ever put a higher mechanical load on your enging....rotff !!! Also you can rebuild your alternator to put out more amperage ! The more windings you have the higher the amperage.
WOW! See? This is why I bring this up! Lots of reactions...
I'm guessing you all went to the original posted website and saw what's advertised. I caught a few documentaries that featured this kind of technology. Sounds promising but I don't know if anyone has tried it. There's not a lot of technical data available out there so I'm wondering about practical application or experience from people who has tried it.
What brought it up for me was hearing of a tour-guide company here in Hawaii did this on 3 Escalades and bumped up the Mileage.
Assuming that the contraption works, wouldn't the flammable Hydrogen gas help with the combustion process when taken in MAF?
About car companies and this technology, if you dig hard enough, you'll find that this technology has existed for a while but it's only around now that it's becoming more practical.
http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/gm-electrovan.htm
Now, the idea is not to have the car run on Hydrogen but to see if this would help maintain performance while decreasing fuel consumption - would be really cool for long drives, wouldn't it? Maybe instead of stopping for gas 6 times, you'd only have to stop twice? I took out the MAF box and installed a shroom filter and now I have room around there.
I haven't tried it yet but I'm really curious. If anyone tries it first, I'm sure everyone would be interested in hearing the results.
Just found a news article on this topic:
http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/21431144.html
check it out
I'm guessing you all went to the original posted website and saw what's advertised. I caught a few documentaries that featured this kind of technology. Sounds promising but I don't know if anyone has tried it. There's not a lot of technical data available out there so I'm wondering about practical application or experience from people who has tried it.
What brought it up for me was hearing of a tour-guide company here in Hawaii did this on 3 Escalades and bumped up the Mileage.
Assuming that the contraption works, wouldn't the flammable Hydrogen gas help with the combustion process when taken in MAF?
About car companies and this technology, if you dig hard enough, you'll find that this technology has existed for a while but it's only around now that it's becoming more practical.
http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/gm-electrovan.htm
Now, the idea is not to have the car run on Hydrogen but to see if this would help maintain performance while decreasing fuel consumption - would be really cool for long drives, wouldn't it? Maybe instead of stopping for gas 6 times, you'd only have to stop twice? I took out the MAF box and installed a shroom filter and now I have room around there.
I haven't tried it yet but I'm really curious. If anyone tries it first, I'm sure everyone would be interested in hearing the results.
Just found a news article on this topic:
http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/21431144.html
check it out
Last edited by HawaiiTT; Aug 23, 2008 at 03:56 AM.
Wintermute , achTTung was talking about a mechanical load. anyways......Thats why I stated you get it rebuit...your alternator has a rated capacity , it wont put out more than it can handle. I've seen 200 amp alternators or you can also run a dual setup, you can even change it to 120v Ac and then rectify it back to pulsating DC. Electrical components need a certain wattage and if the power isn't there it doesn't work. As far as the whole wires melting issue that wouldn't happen, you would get a short to frame before that happened and the alternator would be useless !!!
I take it you have no idea how an alternator works !!! An alternator has a stator which is wraped by wire(windings), and magnets.Putting a bigger load (requesting more current) on your alternator will never ever ever put a higher mechanical load on your enging....rotff !!! Also you can rebuild your alternator to put out more amperage ! The more windings you have the higher the amperage.
So yeah, I do know how an alternator works it turns out. From the inside out, I used to build components for stators that eventually have/will make it in to the F-35 aka, the Joint Strike Fighter.
Hawaii, I'm skeptical. I realize you can make hydrogen, and that it will burn, I just don't know if its worthwhile in 'kit' form. I'd have to guess that a good portion of the population would have the same reaction to water/methanol injection though, and thats been widely accepted among forced induction groups. Of course, that does have a little more background to help convince the skeptical. Its been used since WWII in aircraft.
^ Im not arguing about creating it, just the greater load thing U said. When u take the engine to its redline point that would be the greatest load your alternator would put on the engine regardless of what you request of it.As far as the whole piggyback hydrogen setup I'm all for it, if it works. Thats why I'm waiting for the F.I.L. to do it first, dont really want to test it on the TT. I'll let him be Dr. Frankenstien to his P.O.C. Volvo.
My friend did a hydrogen kit on his dodge ram a few years ago his gas mileage gain was like 1-2mpg Im not sure what he payed for the kit at the time but he was very pissed about the results vs cost he also tried the ebay air swirler gas saver and found that it actually worked better. Maybe the kits have gotten better but if not they have at least gotten cheaper
GWB, you're not quite on with your ideas of how the alternator works.
I'm not sure how to better explain it. Basics again are physics I'd have to say. Think equal/opposite reaction. The more you want out of it, the more you have to put into it.
You can't argue physics. Thats why its laws of physics, not guidelines of physics. Maybe someone else can help elaborate. Wheres XCLR8TT, he's an engineer.
I'm not sure how to better explain it. Basics again are physics I'd have to say. Think equal/opposite reaction. The more you want out of it, the more you have to put into it.
You can't argue physics. Thats why its laws of physics, not guidelines of physics. Maybe someone else can help elaborate. Wheres XCLR8TT, he's an engineer.


