are you serious???

 

I had a 3.0 B6 6MT A4 sedan and it was a very quick and smooth car. In fifth gear on the freeway it hustled very nicely. As much as I love my Avant, it's still a four-banger turbo and weak at low rpm. My TT is more highly tuned, but that's because it is a 225 and has an exhaust and has been chipped already. I'm planning on chipping the Avant, but it's not a quick car as it sits. I don't think that even a Stage III 1.8t is ever going to have the grunt of the V8. I love driving my S4. It's a gas hog, but it's also a weekend toy so who cares?

 

Dude, this is a no brainer. S4. People are talking about "endless modding possibilities" which may be true (and a pain in the a$$, BTW), but the S4 is a world class performer. If bustanut is truthful in saying that his stock S4 runs 13.1's,how much faster do you need to go from light to light? Especially w/ AWD...your not going to lose many street races.
I've been a modder for a longggg time now and once you start tearing apart the stock platform and modding (could be an A4 or any other car), your daily reliability pretty much goes out the window.
If I could buy again, I'd do an S4 cab.

 

$$$, yes, pain in the ***, no. People assume that modding creates a monster that never runs well. Wrong. My car runs perfect,gets great gas mileage, and is just as tame in traffic as it was stock.
I do not have an S4. Mine is an A4. Same kit has run in to the 12's, I'm just not a good straight line light tree driver.
So not true depending on kit with this platform. I've modded other cars and that statement was valid, but unless we're pushing over the limits of the internals, modding the B6 1.8t is easy and reliable. It's when people try to factor in the word "cheap" that it becomes a problem.

Bottom line is, I bought an A4 new in 2004 because I couldn't afford an S4. Now I can, but all said and done, I'd get an A4 over the S4 still (in the B6 model). There isn't a stock B6 S4 out there that can hang with my modded A4. And modding an S4 short of a supercharger isn't going to give it enough to take me.
I would want a B6S over an Afor onlytwo reasons, one of which I canhave in my A4if I find a wrecked S anywhere.... those are, 1. Seats, and B. Sound of a V8. Otherwise, non-Audi owners think my car is an Sand sometimeseven an RS anyhow (I had an Audi salesman think I was an RS, too funny). And I love beating up on V8's with a 4-cylinder.
Now, if we're talking B5 S4 or >B7 S4...... different beast and different story. Forced induction makes those cars beasts and I'd take them in a heartbeat over the same model"A" version, if I were choosing.

And on the suspension, I prefer coilovers on the B6 simply because you can get the exact height you are looking for, and height determines camber on our cars because the front camber isn't adjustable without adjustable control arms or bushings. I had CPP control arms, but they creaked like an old floorboard. And they are out of business now. So I went back to stock control arms. With coilovers, I can dial in a more aggressive camber for track days (tracks where you TURN, not drags)and then raise it up some for street again to extend street tire life. Springs give you a predetermined height that may not give optimal camber settings. I've used springs over coils on other cars because coils where either bouncy or the springs offered perfect ride height on a car where camber was adjustable. But on the B6, coils are the way to go IMHO. There are really good ones out there.

 

Seconded. Even though the 3.0 is a good engine and has a better torque curve and more pep than the stock 1.8t, it still is a pig when compared to a modded 1.8t. Wouldn't even consider it, personally, but can understand why someone might if that's all they were looking for.

 

Der. I'm an idiot. I can't get used to this forum format in relation to the other Audi forums... Posted same post twice. Disregard.

 

Sorry, read your posttoo fast aboutowning an S4.
But the modding comment I made, I stick to my guns with. I guess I'm a bit older now and I STILLLOVE fast cars. No doubt about that. I still have an 86 Buick GN in my garage rotting away (11.8's @ 120 & For Sale!!) as well as a stock B6 A4 1.8TQ tip (1/4 mile measured on a calender). Modding them, though IS a pain in the *** IMO. Most of thecar people I know or have been involved with ALWAYS have some $hit going on with their car. Up on a lift getting this done or dropping off to a shop gettig that done. They rarely run 100% and who needs that in their life (unless you do) when the car your modding is supposed to be a daily driver?
I'm not knocking you or the guys who mod, I still think it's cool, it's just not for me anymore because I drive mine every day and cant be bothered. If I had another vehicle to drive while my A4 was garaged...maybe I'd think different...but I'd probably just sell it and get an S4 (what I really want) before I spend 5000.00 modding it.
And athough you said... I agree with you, but how much of your personal time did that take up and at the end of the day, is it worth it to you?

BTW - Flyers are going to smash the Pens tonight [sm=outcold.gif](I live just outside Philly)

 

its fun to mod your own car and say i made this. but you are going to need $15k to complete the a4.

suspension, exhaust, brakes, intercoolers, BT kit and cosmetic **** too. (keep in mind ultrasport model will have the looks)

s4 already has brakes, seats, dash, exterior looks, v8 sound!
gas mileage is **** on the s4 and thats what kept me from getting it. in the s4 forum people have names like 10mpgS4, i asked and they said at best they might get 18mpg on the highway and 10-12 in town... now i am a branch manager so i have a company car and the a4 is just a weekend car so i WISHED i had gotten an s4 now!

 

NP. I'm 41 and still go fast in everything. I started out in Mopar because my Dad was in to that. Went VAG in the 80's and never looked back. Modded some shitboxes that I was always under the car for something, so I can understand what you're saying. Modding the 1.8t wasn't a PITA at all in comparison. Most of the bolt ons, including the turbo kit, where done in an afternoon for each mod. I like spending time doing it (as long as I'm under the car the wife doesn't bother me). It did end up costing as much as the S4 would've costed for all the supporting mods, but in the end, I've got better brakes, faster car, better handling, etc.
The APR Stage 3+ kit is awesome. People with it don't have the normal tweaking problems. I hear the same about some of the other kits as well. It isn't an R&D-as-you-go kit. It's truly plug-n-play with no worries and no loss of MPG ordifficulty in daily driving traffic. It's funny, because on the AZ and AW forums, people who've not had a BT B6 A4 will always post about how they don't want to lose the reliability of the car, and all of us BT people post back like "WTF are you talking about?". There are many on the other forums with daily-spanked traffic ***** big turbo kitswith tons of miles and no problems and no having to fix this or adjust that. If you're really trying to push to the extremes out of the safe zone of the kit, or you try going cheap on everything, then yeah, you may have problems.
So I guess for me, the loss of personal time is worth it. If I had a V8 S4 and I was getting beat by FI 4's, I'd prolly be spending time modding that, too. If I had a B6 S4, I'd have spent a ton of money upgrading brakes, exhaust,and suspension on that, too. I love my car, there is none other exactly like it, and to this day I still laugh out loud at least onceevery time I driveit. Personally, I like the USP looks better than the S4, too.
As for the Flyers.... history is on your side, but the current and future is on ours. And your best playoff player (R.J.) is from Pittsburgh and grew up a Pens fan. We will prevail.