Who is to make this determination? Hopefully not the genuises who let Timothy McVeigh and Tery Nichols in the country!!!

Can we start cracking down on our OWN gang members, too? Oh, and, also, WHO MAKES THIS DETERMINATION?!?!? Oh, wait, their passports will be stamped "Gang-Member" so they'll be sooper easy to spot, right?

Similiar laws would keep D.Cheney from visiting many other countries... Oh, wait, no charges were filed. Nevermind.

I think we need to re-think this. 39% of traffic fatalities are alcohol related, so, roughly 60% of traffic fatalities are caused by SOBER people!!! Think about it...

You would think this wouldn't have to be mandated by law, huh?

Cause teh fencing around S.D. did SUCH a good job of stopping the many and varied TUNNELS that exist between Mexico & 'Mericuh...

FTR, I'm AGAINST illegal aliens. I am FOR increasing the # of Aliens allowed to apply for status... Lemme change that, slightly, I'm FOR increasing the # of people PROCESSING applications for citizenship... Maybe a 100-fold increase.
Oh, and, technically, if you're in this country illegally, you're already a criminal, aren't you?

 

a new one will be coming soon. its b/c of some stupid laws in it. but i never heard it was rejected. The proposition passed the senate. and there were huge protest about it last monday. I doubt that would have happened if it was rejected.

 

the one rejected was about that it woul make all illegals like criminals and put behind bars.... they dont put anyboy behind bars cuz they r here illegal...that means they r not criminals!! do u really think that is the right think to do??
and listen to awd.... u might learn something...

 

Good lord. There is some sloppy thinking/posting here.

Words are important when discussing anything, but especially legislation. The devil being in the details and all that.

I've been registered as a guest worker in several foreign countries and it was a pain in the ***. If I had not registered, then I would have been breaking the laws of the country I was in. That matters you know. Even if you have convinced yourself somehow that you are not really breaking the law. Guess what? You still are!

If I go to Mexico, I cannot ignore the laws there, so why should that be the case when Mexicans come to the US? The US knowing who is here (working or not) is a pain in the ***, but a necessary one.

As for this new HR and how it will look after it comes out of the conference committee, it doesn't really matter because nothing will change. The government doesn't enforce current laws, so why should we expect that it will enforce a new one?

 

the big difference in this one is the huge fence, more power to those gaurding the border.
NOt the fact that they plan to actually deport ppl from inside the country. The cameras may actually help a lil too.

 

Oh, a big fence. Who could possibly hope to get through that? I feel safer already. [8D]

It will take a huge event to change anything. We don't need a change in the law. As noted, it is already illegal to jump the existing fence and stay here forever. We need a change in attitude that will cause the government to enforce the laws we already have.

 

it also lets the border patrol immediatly deport the illegal immigrants. It will speed that up.

 

^^^which is a GOOD idea because, as it NOW stands, they "keep" them, like a colloctors set. First officer to get 50 wins a *new* patrol car...

I think what you're referring to is that, under the new guidelines LOCAL municipalities will be able to prosecute local imigre as *criminals* as opposed to handling them as indigents, as they do now. But, honestly, what will they do with them, then? Hold them locally? Transfer them up to county lock-up? WHat then? Transfer to Federal, thence to a "border" holding facility until deported? Or, do we start building *new* facilities for holding these MILLIONS of new-found criminals? And, WHO, exactly, do you think is going to PAY for all this new enforcement? Pay for all the transportation and guarding of these new found criminals" Pay for the extra court personnel necessary to prosecurt these new found criminals? *NEW* legislation requires *NEW* funding. WHERE do you think the *NEW* money comes from? Lemmee guess, YOU believe all we hafta do is print MORE, right?

There are two ways to deal with ANY problem, be it natural, man-made, real, imagined, legislative, prolateriat, hydro-dynamic, epidemic, WHATEVER, and that is to treat the symptoms OR treat the cause. The legislation YOU'RE in favor of treats the symptoms, and, I'm sure, serves the needs of the constituents of what ever legislators proposed and seconded the legislation in question. Or, more specifically, serves the needs of some BUSINESS in the region that elected whatever legislators proposed and seconded the legislation in question. America's largest uniform supplier to border guards and prison bus drivers, maybe... As they say in law enforcement, "follow the money" and you'll find the culprit. This "wall," or "fence," or watever barrier is proposed? I'd be willing to bet that, if you were to do your homework you'd find that some company that has a MAJOR stake in wall, or fence, or barrier erection, is not only IN the state/region that the bills proponents are FROM, but, prolly pumped a fair anmount of $$$ INTO the reelection campaigns of the proponents of the bills original proponents, too!

Do a l'il looking APG, prove me wrong... Oh, and, stop being a knee-jerk reactionary alluh time. I realize you're young, but, you profess to have the capacity for independent, rational thought. So, why doncha, every so often. Us old guys dint get to be old by happenstance, you know (well, not ALL of us). Deja MOO comes into play. We've seen a lot of thos BULL before

Maybe

 

I have a number of friends that are having a very difficult and expensive time getting legal status and permenent resident aliens. So I'm not sure what you are talking about. I have 3 friends from Turkey, one from Germany, one from Brazil, one from Australia, one from New Zealand and one from Canada. Non of them are 'illegal' they all have proper temporary work visas....but getting from temporary to permenent takes up to 5 years and is extremely expensive. Basically an employeer has to sponsor you...you are stuck with that employeer, and if they can chose not to sponsor you when it comes time that your temporary work visa has run out. This happens often.

So, please talk facts. WHen you say it is easy to become a 'legal immigrant' you are sharing an opinion...you obviously don't have any facts to back that up.

Most of your examples seem to be aimed at people of latin decent...seems a bit on the prejudice side.

 

My sis is a US citizen, and has been for 13 years. IF I wanted to gain citizenship through her, it would only take about 15 years. Thats really easy.