I have my own vag-com I always know whats going on in my car.... I have replaced most of the troublesome parts i.e. DV's, TBB, and since im 2001.5 I dont have an F hose..... But, anyways AWD means I would lose more power than he does. Think about it....a two wheel drive has a hell of a lot less drivetrain power loss. Only two wheels are demanding power while four wheels are demanding power in an AWD. Not to mention the jump he can get with a stick coupled with my drivetrain loss this combination doesnt suprise me that he has me from a dig. He had me almost everytime from a dig, but from a 40 and 20 roll (pre-spooled) the S4 is lights out.... Believe me we both know how to drive hes damn quick with a stick and so am I...This really doesnt mean anything but we both went to M driving school in SC and ever since then we have been owning it with a stick. I think SUBHERBs idea of recoding the tranny might help i'll let you guys know after I do it.... Ever since I got my exhaust and dps it just seems like the car has too much power for the tip. You can tell the tranny doesnt even know wtf to do with all that extra juice.... Believe me we were both shocked when he won... he has respect for my car as we had lost earlier in the day to a supra( dont know what mods but he was def runnin a cat back exhaust) by not even half a car length in my car. It was so close that the guy with the supra had it in him to ask me if I had a turbo upgrade when I told him 'no' he turned white lol.... Another thing is I am running 91, f*cking cali gas blows... One day Im gonna suprise his 330i once I get my APR 93oct program....All in all I know that if I could get the full power out of my car I would walk all over him 91,93 whatever.... but since Im a tip my shiz is limited....I never have ran a perfect run against him i.e. one gear or another will shift too early. If I can get 1,2 to rev through 7000 then I know Id get him. But its weird in sport mode the tranny will ALWAYS shift out of first too soon, but hopefully recoding the tranny will do the trick....Good lookin out fellas ill keep u all posted

 

Real quick... just too make things clear this is a completely stock '06 6spd. 330i E90 which is the NEWEST body style NOT AN E46....Not to insult anyone here but often times ppl dont know what it means when I say an E90 or E46.

 

buddy a 2006 e90 bmw 330i is rated by bmw at 6.1 seconds 0-60 with a stick and 6.3 seconds 0-60 with an automatic and weighs in at 3450 lbs with 255 hp on tap if your s4 with those mods cant beat him your car is messed up. FYI the pedal on the right is the gas

 

^^^I was thinking something like that too.

 

Hey D*ckhead....I would be more than willing to accept that your right.....Go out and first off by your *** a 2001.5 B5 S4 (tip) do the mods i've done: dps,exhaust,chip,dv,ams TBB.... second. get a video camera .....third. find a fool with a 6spd e90 330i and beat his *** while recording it.....until then stfu and stick to the A4 forums you might know a little bit more about them...that is if you even own an A4 for that matter.


....Anyways if any of you guys out there are familiar with David at Eurocode he owns a b5 s4 that is in the works to be a monster. Today I met up with him for a bit and told him my story he wasn't suprised that I lost to a 330i... Call me insane but if the guy that tunes my car isnt that suprised then its pretty obvious that the e90 is just a straight up a quick car....Believe me I hate bmws as much as anyone else I sold my e46 330ci to get a b5 S4 so losing to a beemer hurts even more. BTW does anyone have or can send me a link of any B5 S4 beating an E46 M3 regardless of mods. Its obviously possible but I have yet to see a video with that happening. The videos I have seen is a S4 B6 vs. M3 E46...but what about a B5???

 

your right i apologize you probably have what 325-350hp but you lose to a car with 255hp that weighs almost the same amount plus you have allwheel drive? I am not disputing that you lost all i am saying is that the numbers dont lie. Your car cant do better than a 6 second pass to 60 miles an hour? How much money did you spend to be slower than a stock manual s4?

 

Hey guys cool it...I agree with what both of you are saying (minus the insults). I know that 330s are quick - I have one. Its not the E90 - but its a Performance package (ZHP) E46 that is generally rated identicle to the E90 330 in 0-60 and 1/4s. In fact I've beaten a B5S4 with it (don't know the mods - and while we both had 3 passengers - 2 were my pre-teen kids...). I do know how to shift BTW (and it is very easy with the ZHP - very smooth short shifter and lightweight flywheel to boot). It does not feel like it has the punch of the S4 - but boy does it rev out and does the speedo climb....that being said - I could never imagine lossing to one in my B5...even when only stage 2...and in fact I never even lost to an M3 stage 2 (or any BMW for that matter - incl [last gen - not new one] M5). When I was test driving 330s I always thought they were slow. Fun yes - particularly with traction control & such totally off! - but commming out of my S4 and then test driving a 330 - well it didn't seem nearly as quick. I've gotten much better at pushing it however - so it does seem quick to me now...though not anymore (after stage 3! lol)...but yeah - my ZHP can move - and surprised lots of folks. I've taken every G35, every WRX, and pretty much anything Japanese I've faced thus far (no Supras or such yet) - but yeah - if you know how to keep the revs up - it just keeps climbing fast. Great car - but I still prefer the S4 and still maintina my old motto - no BMW shall pass! lol

 

e46.. dont get so testy. hes not trying to offend you in any way... but what he is saying is the truth... with your mods..you should be somewhere between 300-350hp. And if the 330 runs a 6.1 (not positive, going off what was quoted) you shouldnt really have a problem taking him. with your mods you should be in the low 5's to 5.5ish. And from a dig is esp where you should be taking him..thats the advantage of the awd is to get that hole shot (granted tougher with a tip.. but you should have a traction advantage.) so all were saying is there is something fishy there..maybe he got the jump on you..or you had bad launch,.. or maybe you do have a slight issue in your car your unaware of..boost leak perhaps..do you know how much boost your getting??

now, on to the M. youre right, there really arent too many vids out there...many audi members seem to dispute this fact, but an M is straight up a faster car. now the advantage of the S is that its much more modifiable. however..you pretty much need to be a stage2+ to hang with it. a stage 2+ with an e46 is a good race...some will win ...some wont. A stage 3 should be able to take it by a few lengths. As far as video proof. there is one ive seen that i can think of off hand of a stage 2 taking an m that was posted on e46fanatics.com about a month ago as well as i think it was x-posted on audizine. do a search for s4 on e46fanatics and you prob can find it.

Im surprised you say youve seen a vid of a b6 taking it but not a b5. cause in al reality a modded b5 will take a b6. and a b6 isnt going to get much improvements from mods and a M is quicker. i would like to see the vid actually if you have it...almost thikn like something went wrong for the M.

 

Sorry about that ...what i meant by that is that the B6 vs E46 was the only one I saw.... the E46 buried it.


Roadhawk, Sooks ... I agree completely with what you're saying thats why i asked the initial questions...does the baking period have an effect on the dps and catback exhaust???....does the new O2 sensor have an effect?? or will the unlubed DVs hurt the performance?? It definetly feels like I am not getting full power, I never hit 6500 consecutively in 1st and 2nd. The damn transmission ecu changes gears too early....I know SUBHERB knows what I am talking about being that he has a tip S4 with the L10 kit. This is what I plan on doing when I get to stg3. Bottom line is we can argue numbers in and out weather the specs on bmws website are at the crank or at the wheels i dont know. Also I had made another two runs before I initially started racing him....And one of the runs I got up to 120 so when we first met up my turbos were super hot....this could be another reason....regardless of what I said I am not here to start a war; just tell about an expierence I had against another car. I was really interested to find out how the new 3s compared with us b5s bc its def gonna be interesting when the new M3 hits the streets soon.

 

Heastsoak sucks - and affects our cars more then many others (even other turbos) it seems - damn things just run hot...don't know crap about tips...dried/sticking DVs could certainly mess you up (I've got Baileys [a few years now]and noticed a difference - right away - much cleaner cutoff...if that makes sense... ...faulty O2 sensor as well could cause yyou to run very rich (should get a cel eh?)...may just have all been a heat soak issue - turbos too hot...

BTW I trashed a new Mustang earlier today (first time I've against run one)...was behind a prior gen SVT Cobra at one point (they sound so right)...didn't get a chance to run it...one of the only cars that flat out whipped my stage 2 was a (modded) Cobra...

Also - ZHP ran 5.6 0-60 and 14.4 1/4s at 98(? I think) MPH...according to Car & Driver I think...E90 330 was tested and achieved the exact same #s...considering that Audi (conservatively) considered the tip at 6.1 0-60 (I think)...yeah it would be close regardless...with the right finese on launch and with shift points and shift speed - the ZHP can really sing up in the revs...still it seems almost painfully slow going to it after driving the Stage 3...