A4 S4 swap
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RE: A4 S4 swap
ORIGINAL: 2k S4
Oh, you need some education.
So, now you are NOT getting a 2.7t, but you want to build your own? It's SHORT block, not SMALL block, we don't drive Chevy's. This is NOT a running engine, just the base. If you just purchase the short block, you will need....
full heads, timing parts, intake, TB, headers, turbo's, all intake pluming, Y pipe, all cooling parts, timing cover parts, ignition parts, all sensors, etc... ALL YOU GET IT THE BLOCK with pistons, rods, & crank. Right there you are looking at many THOUSANDS of dollars just to get the whole engine.
Then you still need all the other parts. Oh, your 2.8 parts will mostly not work, the S4 intake faces the front, not the back. The guy with the TT Passat used his manifold i reverse or the S4 manifold in reverse on his car, dont remember which
Yea, your ECU will not work on a 2.7T, it's not advanced enough, & will not work in any way shape or form. Trasplanting the ecu from the s4 to a4 is his best option If you go stand alone, it's got to be a good one, cuz the 2.7t has a electric TB. Then you have the N75 & N239 to control. Expect to spend about $10K GETTING THAT INSTALLED & RUNNING. You need a drive by cable TB to run a standalone, drive by wires dont work. Also you dont have to worry about the N75 and you can probably dump the N239 most likely
Now you have invested about $35k into a car worth $5k & it's still not a S4, & will not be as fast. True, but he still doesnt get that
I was kind of on you side when you wanted to find a used engine & parts, but this way is just waked(!) & shows you really have no clue what this would take to become reality. For that kind of time & effort, I would purchase a used B5 RS4 & be done with it. Thats now 8 times in this thread and can seem to do the math or get the point himself of take others input on that.
ORIGINAL: ggoodling
follow cincy's link there are MANY different small blocks, of course i'm not going to be buying multiple engines, i would get one or the other small block (thats where he made the chevy comment) or used complete engine. if i use a S4 ECU all of my gauges will be f'ed as it is a defferent generation, or i could go stand alone but i have no idea what i will be getting into with a stand alone as i have never tried it? (your now in for $1500+ for the sem and then the time to install and to tune it, dynos are not cheap, so thats another $3-5k for the sem and tuning) but i am assuming that i will need to tune with a totally different ECU unless you know something that i don't. and of course starting from the ground up is going to cost way as a block from eurospec cost 6 g's alone and and to my knowledge doesn't have turbos which will be easily as much. that is why i was looking at jumping on a used motor with the wiring and ecu for a g even though i'm probly not going to attempt the swap for a year. i would rather find a smashed s4 so i can use the ECU and then just also swap my interior gauges and such. but it is hard to pass up a complete engine for a 1000 bucks. (this again shows that you are stupid for wanting to do this, if you want the interior and gauges, just buy the f'ing S4 and then swap body panels with someone with a A4 and call it a day)
follow cincy's link there are MANY different small blocks, of course i'm not going to be buying multiple engines, i would get one or the other small block (thats where he made the chevy comment) or used complete engine. if i use a S4 ECU all of my gauges will be f'ed as it is a defferent generation, or i could go stand alone but i have no idea what i will be getting into with a stand alone as i have never tried it? (your now in for $1500+ for the sem and then the time to install and to tune it, dynos are not cheap, so thats another $3-5k for the sem and tuning) but i am assuming that i will need to tune with a totally different ECU unless you know something that i don't. and of course starting from the ground up is going to cost way as a block from eurospec cost 6 g's alone and and to my knowledge doesn't have turbos which will be easily as much. that is why i was looking at jumping on a used motor with the wiring and ecu for a g even though i'm probly not going to attempt the swap for a year. i would rather find a smashed s4 so i can use the ECU and then just also swap my interior gauges and such. but it is hard to pass up a complete engine for a 1000 bucks. (this again shows that you are stupid for wanting to do this, if you want the interior and gauges, just buy the f'ing S4 and then swap body panels with someone with a A4 and call it a day)
So, now you are NOT getting a 2.7t, but you want to build your own? It's SHORT block, not SMALL block, we don't drive Chevy's. This is NOT a running engine, just the base. If you just purchase the short block, you will need....
full heads, timing parts, intake, TB, headers, turbo's, all intake pluming, Y pipe, all cooling parts, timing cover parts, ignition parts, all sensors, etc... ALL YOU GET IT THE BLOCK with pistons, rods, & crank. Right there you are looking at many THOUSANDS of dollars just to get the whole engine.
Then you still need all the other parts. Oh, your 2.8 parts will mostly not work, the S4 intake faces the front, not the back. The guy with the TT Passat used his manifold i reverse or the S4 manifold in reverse on his car, dont remember which
Yea, your ECU will not work on a 2.7T, it's not advanced enough, & will not work in any way shape or form. Trasplanting the ecu from the s4 to a4 is his best option If you go stand alone, it's got to be a good one, cuz the 2.7t has a electric TB. Then you have the N75 & N239 to control. Expect to spend about $10K GETTING THAT INSTALLED & RUNNING. You need a drive by cable TB to run a standalone, drive by wires dont work. Also you dont have to worry about the N75 and you can probably dump the N239 most likely
Now you have invested about $35k into a car worth $5k & it's still not a S4, & will not be as fast. True, but he still doesnt get that
I was kind of on you side when you wanted to find a used engine & parts, but this way is just waked(!) & shows you really have no clue what this would take to become reality. For that kind of time & effort, I would purchase a used B5 RS4 & be done with it. Thats now 8 times in this thread and can seem to do the math or get the point himself of take others input on that.
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RE: A4 S4 swap
i just hope you guys are all around in a year so that when i put up pictures you can talk to each other about how they must be photoshoped or something, and i don't want the gauges i just want mine to work which means i really need an early 2000
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RE: A4 S4 swap
Man, so many smileys apply here
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[sm=alcoholic.gif]<= you since you started this thread im hoping
[sm=idontcare.gif]<= and if you ever do finish it. Plus if you do ever finish, im sure i will walk all over you like i would if you were still with the stock V6
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[sm=bicker.gif]<= people with common sense trying to help you
[sm=alcoholic.gif]<= you since you started this thread im hoping
[sm=idontcare.gif]<= and if you ever do finish it. Plus if you do ever finish, im sure i will walk all over you like i would if you were still with the stock V6
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RE: A4 S4 swap
ORIGINAL: ggoodling
i just hope you guys are all around in a year so that when i put up pictures you can talk to each other about how they must be photoshoped or something, and i don't want the gauges i just want mine to work which means i really need an early 2000
i just hope you guys are all around in a year so that when i put up pictures you can talk to each other about how they must be photoshoped or something, and i don't want the gauges i just want mine to work which means i really need an early 2000
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RE: A4 S4 swap
ORIGINAL: ggoodling
ya i wasn't really looking into getting just the block for all the purposes that you just stated. i'm sorry about the mix up i guess i was still thing about the ridiculousness of the guy way back who suggested just putting a chevy small block in it. but ya i do realize how much it would cost to try that. what i originally had in mind was looking for a smashed s4, taking the engine ecu clutch ect, ect, i want to go front mount interecooler but don't really know anything about a w/a or injection cooled intercooler so again i'm looking for someone who knows something about those options. but again I FOUND A USED 2.7T WITH ECU, TURBOS, INTERCOOLERS, AND ALL OTHER SAID WIRES this is right now WHAT I AM LOOKING AT USING CURRENTLY
ya i wasn't really looking into getting just the block for all the purposes that you just stated. i'm sorry about the mix up i guess i was still thing about the ridiculousness of the guy way back who suggested just putting a chevy small block in it. but ya i do realize how much it would cost to try that. what i originally had in mind was looking for a smashed s4, taking the engine ecu clutch ect, ect, i want to go front mount interecooler but don't really know anything about a w/a or injection cooled intercooler so again i'm looking for someone who knows something about those options. but again I FOUND A USED 2.7T WITH ECU, TURBOS, INTERCOOLERS, AND ALL OTHER SAID WIRES this is right now WHAT I AM LOOKING AT USING CURRENTLY
We know about a lot of go-fast stuff on the 2.7t, but you are not asking specific things, you are just wish listing, with out a clue of what your wish is.
Your typing skills are very lacking. Can you try to use some basic sentence structure & punctuation? It would help us to help you.
ORIGINAL: ggoodling
just out of curiously reading your parts list, why would you personally put so much into a tip?
just out of curiously reading your parts list, why would you personally put so much into a tip?
What is your hang up with the TIP? Do you feel it's less of a car?
An S4 TIP is nothing like an A4 TIP. It's what I have & what I like. There are a ton of very high powered S4 TIPS around. No matter what you ever do to your car, mine will always run better, look better, be faster, & be worth more money.