2.7T vs Mustang
Listen....I love my A6, and I also have nothing against Mustangs, but there are vast differences between the two.
If you want refinement, comfort, a quiet polished ride, a boatload of amenities, and smooth acceleration with fantastic grip and handling….get an Audi.
If you want raw tire smoking power, then go ahead and grab a Mustang.
There is only one problem….Mustangs can’t turn! They STILL use the very dated and obsolete solid rear axle due to Ford’s refusal to give the new Mustang what it deserves. Yes the older style SVT Cobra had IRS, but they also suffered from broken half shafts to the point it was clear Ford had no idea how to properly setup a rear end on a performance car. Meanwhile aftermarket tuners like Roush seem to do just fine, and they can produce a car with a properly setup rear end that is far superior to anything Ford can do themselves.
I don’t know if anyone here watches the show Top Gear, but they took out a brand spankin’ new Mustang Shelby GT500 and it was embarrassing. Yes it sounds mean with the supercharger whine and tuned exhaust. Yes it has tons of power on tap and yes the straight line acceleration is amazing, but put that thing into a corner…..any corner, and it falls apart. They raced it through their standard course and it came in at 1:30:00 - below cars with 150 fewer horsepower. It came in below the EVO (1:28:9), it was below the WRX (1:29:4), and it was even below a W12 GTI (1:29:6) that they openly admitted was absolutely unmanageable in the corners, yet it still beat the Mustang.
And just look at the company it keeps….at 1:30:1 you have the regular (non WRX) Subaru Impreza with 281hp (about 220 LESS than the Mustang), and at 1:30:4 you have the VW Golf R32…..a car that has 250 FEWER HORSEPOWER!!!!!!
Yes….congratulations Mustang fans – you have a real winner there.
And does anyone still wonder why Ford LOST $2.7 BILLION last year?
If you want refinement, comfort, a quiet polished ride, a boatload of amenities, and smooth acceleration with fantastic grip and handling….get an Audi.
If you want raw tire smoking power, then go ahead and grab a Mustang.
There is only one problem….Mustangs can’t turn! They STILL use the very dated and obsolete solid rear axle due to Ford’s refusal to give the new Mustang what it deserves. Yes the older style SVT Cobra had IRS, but they also suffered from broken half shafts to the point it was clear Ford had no idea how to properly setup a rear end on a performance car. Meanwhile aftermarket tuners like Roush seem to do just fine, and they can produce a car with a properly setup rear end that is far superior to anything Ford can do themselves.
I don’t know if anyone here watches the show Top Gear, but they took out a brand spankin’ new Mustang Shelby GT500 and it was embarrassing. Yes it sounds mean with the supercharger whine and tuned exhaust. Yes it has tons of power on tap and yes the straight line acceleration is amazing, but put that thing into a corner…..any corner, and it falls apart. They raced it through their standard course and it came in at 1:30:00 - below cars with 150 fewer horsepower. It came in below the EVO (1:28:9), it was below the WRX (1:29:4), and it was even below a W12 GTI (1:29:6) that they openly admitted was absolutely unmanageable in the corners, yet it still beat the Mustang.
And just look at the company it keeps….at 1:30:1 you have the regular (non WRX) Subaru Impreza with 281hp (about 220 LESS than the Mustang), and at 1:30:4 you have the VW Golf R32…..a car that has 250 FEWER HORSEPOWER!!!!!!
Yes….congratulations Mustang fans – you have a real winner there.
And does anyone still wonder why Ford LOST $2.7 BILLION last year?
after reading this thread ive lost a lot of respect for audi owners in general, you people have what i like to call honda syndrome, you think that your little grocery getter, designed for the middle aged woman/college student is high performance vehicle, and oooo you have the quatro system, that must mean you have the best car ever made hands down, the only person i know that owns an audi says its unreliable and hes been putting a lot of cash into it to buy overpriced foreign parts, sure it can handle good but on any twisties / roadcoarse theres gonna be at least some amout of strait away in it and thats where the mustang will gain the lead, 99-04 cobras have irs, people break halfshafts launching hard at high power, its not a ford problem its like this will all irs vehicles, 500rwhp + launching at 4500 rpms consistently is gonna break something eventually, its not like its a 200 hp a/4 or something, how can any of you bash a car that youve never driven or riden in before? theres nothing thrilling about going 1/4 in 16 seconds
have fun sinking 10k into your cute little cars trying to run with 03-04 cobras with 1500 bucks in them
have fun sinking 10k into your cute little cars trying to run with 03-04 cobras with 1500 bucks in them
ORIGINAL: ppgoal
If you think 60-to-100 feels fast in a stock 2.7T, try chipping it. You get pushed back into the seat and it's in triple figures in no time. And I rarely bother to downshift - just leave in it 6th.
Good job on the win.
If you think 60-to-100 feels fast in a stock 2.7T, try chipping it. You get pushed back into the seat and it's in triple figures in no time. And I rarely bother to downshift - just leave in it 6th.
Good job on the win.
ORIGINAL: madrussian
Actualy a well build, all aroundfox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
Actualy a well build, all aroundfox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
Why the hell are you comparing a huge 4 door sedan to a Mustang Cobra? Do you know what an s4 with ko4's, Stage3++ would do to most of your mullet mobile cobras runnin. Good job comparing fords fastest production car of the year to a more roomier 4 door sedan. Lets compare the ford countour to a RS6.
That top gear episode was hilarious. They used a sharpie to write ALMOST after the gt500 because it was significantly short of its advertised 500bhp.
ORIGINAL: WeezyTT
LOL.
Why the hell are you comparing a huge 4 door sedan to a Mustang Cobra? Do you know what an s4 with ko4's, Stage3++ would do to most of your mullet mobile cobras runnin. Good job comparing fords fastest production car of the year to a more roomier 4 door sedan. Lets compare the ford countour to a RS6.
That top gear episode was hilarious. They used a sharpie to write ALMOST after the gt500 because it was significantly short of its advertised 500bhp.
ORIGINAL: madrussian
Actualy a well build, all aroundfox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
Actualy a well build, all aroundfox body mustang ('85-'93) for about $12-$15k will outrun your A6 on eather track, 1/4 or road track.
Why the hell are you comparing a huge 4 door sedan to a Mustang Cobra? Do you know what an s4 with ko4's, Stage3++ would do to most of your mullet mobile cobras runnin. Good job comparing fords fastest production car of the year to a more roomier 4 door sedan. Lets compare the ford countour to a RS6.
That top gear episode was hilarious. They used a sharpie to write ALMOST after the gt500 because it was significantly short of its advertised 500bhp.
Yes u absolutley right, A6 and cobra....any mustang in general is different cars. And this is my point, to be shiting all over other car that can go faster just so u can feel better about slower car that u have. The new C6 ZO6 is a pure beast even in stock form, and yet i dont go braging abot how much it costs, thats its chevy, uncomfartable and noisy and so on......New ZO6 is simply better and thats it. Same for your A6, its a good car for the money and has something that mustang dont, but its defenatly not the power. And i drove both A6 and bunch of different mustangs, from stock v6 to a turboed cobra and fun factor its defenatly goes to mustang. If u look at the comfort, room, safety its defenatly A6 and thats what they designed for.
"This setup made 890 RWHP at 21.8 Psi on a Mustang dyno. The power is still climbing nicely at 6600 with no sign of peaking! MAF pegged up top on the 21.8 psi pull. So we were done until a MAF setup capable of more power is installed. Plan was to go back an hit 1000, that was before I decided to sell it.
The turbo/motor set up should make 1000+ fairly easily with an HPX maf sensor and 24-25 psi (the sensor change would require re-tune). The set-up showed no signs of being closed to maxed out.
This car is just plain fun to drive and down right scary to ride in. Drivability is excellent,better than stock IMO. Jon Lund even commented on how nicely it ran compared to similar set ups. It has as not seen over 17psi with the TT set up except on the dyno, no need for more on the street. It made 765 on at 17psi. The car is just plain retarded on 17psi.
Here is a build thread.."
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=469870 <<<<check this out
yes he asks $45k for it but its less then a price tag on RS6 and no A6 S6 RS6 S4 RS4 or even new audi supercar, i think its R8, will stand a chance up against it on the higway, 1/4. On twisties its too much power. And there a lot of 700+ rwhp turbo cobras that do 9s and run all year long with no problems for about $30k.......
AntiV6 has two posts, 2 in this thread
Sounds like someone created a 2nd id with a purpose...
No matter the ET... AUDI still > Mustang.
I personally can't care less if my car runs 10 or 11 secs. But if in ran 1/4 mile tack I would definitely not pick an Audi.
on the road though and as a DD, The Audi sure beats the Mustang overall.
Sounds like someone created a 2nd id with a purpose...
No matter the ET... AUDI still > Mustang.
I personally can't care less if my car runs 10 or 11 secs. But if in ran 1/4 mile tack I would definitely not pick an Audi.
on the road though and as a DD, The Audi sure beats the Mustang overall.


