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Old 12-23-2007, 12:43 PM
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^^^ This is good stuff!!! The only thing that I would add is, stock for stock, the 2.7 is faster than the 4.2. Well... "quicker" is a better way to put it. The 2.7 is also more fun to drive mainly because the 4.2 seems a lot heavier. The V8 does have the "sound" and the wide body makes the car look like it's "mean and fast". Because of this, Maximas wont challenge the 4.2. They will challenge the 2.7.
 
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GKB, no offense at al but why would you expect to beat a Maxima when your car weighs more and has less power. In addition, their engine is one of the best 6in the market, aside from BMW 6ers. The midrange torque is awesome, very efficient motor if a little unrefined compared to Bimmer for example.
You may have bought a "better" car tha your friend's as an overall packkage, certainly from an interior standpoint and looks... and it's even all relative... but it doesn't mean you bought a FASTER car.
I had a 2.8 myself and it seems everything short of my Jeep Wrangler is faster From a mod standpoint, I wouldn't waster my $ if I were you. As for engine swapping, you are better off selling the 2.8 and getting a 2.7T or 4.2.
As for your question, which is faster of the 2.7t and 4.2... although most say the 4.2 is.... I found that in spite of the HP advantage, the 4.2 is not always faster. If you get a 6spd 2.7t, you'd be right on par with a 4.2 Auto and might have a lsight edge in some situation from what I read and was told when I first bought mine.
I can tell you that my 2.7t TIPtronic with just a chip was faster than a stock 4.2, including the newer model. I raced a few, especially that one on the way to Atlanta and it could not keep up.
Now the 4.2 I heard is a rock from an engine standpoint, but the 2.7 block is a tough mama too. As for the stock turbos, I have seen 2.7T'swith well over 100k and no issues. it is all a matter of "taking care of it"... There is a thread in this A6 forum about what to do to keep your "baby" in shape... VERY basic things will keep your 2.7T running problem free:
- RELIGIOUS maintenance... Don't follow the service book directions with 10,000 miles intervals b/w services. I would suggest every 5,000 miles using only top premium synthetic oil. I personally use the Castrol synthec made in germany. Some use Mobil1, or penzoil.
- ALWAYS ALWAYS let your car warm up (175 +) before you gun it, before that I stay within 3,000rpm, which has more than enough power for every day driving.
- ALWAYS ALWAYS let your car cool down a bit before turning off the engine after spirited driving. Either drive the last few miles to your house at low RPM's or let the car cool down 30 seconds, maybr 45 is you really dogged it!
- Check the known weak parts at service times (search A6 forum)
- Upgrade the DV's to the N710 from the TT or spend $ on R1, Hyperboost... fancier DVs'.
- Upgrade to a SAMCO TBB or if you have $ the APR Bipipe.
- Do theTB&WP service early, 60k if modded, or 70k.
- Get a chip and and and... PIGGY pipes for reliability and performance. They decrease temp behind the turbos and wil probably give you an extra 20hp and 30 lbs TQ.
- if/when you do your auxiliary water pump under the intake, replace the gaskets with NEWSOUTH Powergaskets, some call them spacers. They will decrease operating temperature and also give you a little xtra OOMPH.
- Oh and brakes are not great in the A6, so i would upgrade to SS brake lines and better pads.

There's more, you'll find plenty of threads....
The 4.2 has one of the sexiest butt in the family sedan world and the 2.7 is highly tunable!



Thanks some Great informtaion here it will be useful, i guess i'll have to get some of the mods you said above cause i just got this car 2 months ago and i don't want to sell it so soon, i'll probly have it for 5/6 more years
 
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:52 PM
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I agree with Redshoe, out of the box the stock 4.2 will take the stock 2.7t. Once you start mods it all depends on the mods.
 
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:18 PM
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I agree with Redshoe, out of the box the stock 4.2 will take the stock 2.7t. Once you start mods it all depends on the mods.
The specs have the stock 2.7 a hair quicker because the 4.2 is heavier. If the 2.7 is modded, the 4.2 won't stand a chance. Gigi above kinda nailed it, plus I've had too many 2.7's beat my 4.2 since it was new. My own 2.7 beats my 4.2. Not by much but, it will beat it.
 
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:43 PM
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I agree with Redshoe, out of the box the stock 4.2 will take the stock 2.7t. Once you start mods it all depends on the mods.
The specs have the stock 2.7 a hair quicker because the 4.2 is heavier. If the 2.7 is modded, the 4.2 won't stand a chance. Gigi above kinda nailed it, plus I've had too many 2.7's beat my 4.2 since it was new. My own 2.7 beats my 4.2. Not by much but, it will beat it.
I see that you have a 2001 4.2. In 2001 the 4.2 was putting out 300 hp compared to the 2.7ts 250 hp. Granted the 2.7t only weighed 3,750, compared to the 4.2s 4,050. But even with that weight differential, the 4.2s power to weight ratio of 13.5 was better than the 2.7ts 15.0. With a power to ratio that is 10% better, I think it is the 4.2 that is a hair quicker stock. Thoughas I said before, once you mod the 2.7t it is a whole new ball game. Since I have a C6 4.2, I don't really have any problems with stock 2.7ts.
 
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:42 PM
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^^ Agree. The C6 is a different story. Botom line, neither of us should have any concerns with the Maxima.
 
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Old 12-24-2007, 10:38 AM
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Can you guys give me some more feedbakc on the "chip" still kind of lost about what it is, and a purchase website would be good to.
 
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Old 12-24-2007, 10:57 AM
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The chip is an ECU flash which does wonder for turbo'ed cars like the 2.7T. Your 2.8 won't see much gain. Some people say it's not even worth it. I have considered it for my wife's 2.8 A4. I liked my 2.7T until I got my APR chip. Then I fell in love with it. The downside is, eventually you will want more and more speed. It's addictive. I added a link to the GIAC chip for you.

http://www.giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=60
 
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:04 PM
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Chip for the ECU?

I thought you guys were talking about potato chips. For really good chip you have to get Cape Cod chips and dip them in a special mixture of clams,lobster, and cream cheese. There is an additionalspecial ingeredient that I am not allowed to talk about but I give you a hint - It contains alcohol.
 
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:08 PM
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I almost forgot -- there is a difference between quick and fast. Likewise there is a difference between fast for a few miles and fast for a long trip.

In my younger days I wanted quick, later I wanted fast, now I want fast and comfortable.
In case your wondering I am talking about Audis - not women. OK OK both Audis and women
 


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