And just to really add some sizzle to the discussion, in addition to my A6, I have an E series Benz, an older Vette, and a new Infiniti. Hands down, neither of the german cars holds a candlethe G35x, which is as fast to 60 as the Vette!

The Audi and the MB are excellent cars, but as far as I'm concerned, they are WAY over-hyped.

 

Funny interting post. which car is the best? Future Car??? Z06 and the price topic. I wonder how many Z06's could chevy sell at the price of $200000? I wonder how many G35's could infinity sell at the price of the 335 bimmers, etc, etc.

 

Which Vette would that be? A C4? If youARE talking about a C4 Vette, it's hardly a performance car anymore. I'm glad you like your G35, but there's more to it than that. You didn't specify which model A6 and Benz you have. The G35 was designed as a sports sedan, while theE-class really wasn't, unless you have an 8-cylinder or AMG version. The A6 should only be compared to the G35 if it has either the 2.7T or 4.2. The 2.8 is simply unfair. That's like comparinga V6 Mustang to a Camaro SS. The Mustang won't hold a candle toit.

If we look past performance, Audi interiors are top notch. Even comparing a 6 (or more) year oldAudi to a *new*G35,I wouldn't say that the Audi interior is "dated" by any means. Comparing a current A4/A6 interior to the current G35 is a fairer comparison, and in this regard, the Audi undoubtedly wins, hands down.

So there you have it. I'm not bashing theG35 here.I do like the way it looks(usually) and the performanceIS impressive, but there are also some areas where it isn't quite as excellent as you made it out to be.

 

Well it's worthless to argue with you as you are just another example of ignorant Americans, which makes us look bad sometimes to the rest of the world.

1st, you are dumb enough to even compare Corvette with Ferrari and Porsche. Z06 is crap, just look at the interiors and you will know that the manufacturer didn't even cared to provide the basic quality there...its just tells the mentality of people in detroit...and their attitude in quality... i have driven Ferrari and i know how it feels to be in one of those beauties. you don't know because you have never driven a Ferrari, nor a corvette.

2nd, American engineering superior than Germans? You live in a dream world, and I am not going to wake you up. funny how people will be making fun of you whenever you left the room.

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000009649...mium=0&o=4 this video alone should answer everything regarding American muscle, and Audi technology. Enjoy.

3rd, my son who is 23 yrs old believes that Dodge Viper is the best thing that happened to the automobile industry...i don't argue with him anymore.

 

I'm not going to take sides in this discussion, but I'll just mention that the Japanese need to be added somewhere into this equation.

When is the Nissan GT-R released in the US? 480hp, twin turbo, all wheel drive....

 

Like wise it is useless to argue with you as you are just another example of someone with a holier than thou attitude who thinks that he knows how everyone else should live their life.

1. I never once compared the interior of a Vette with a Ferrari. You are right, the interior of the Ferrari is vastly better. However, I don't find the interior to be worth an extra $100k+. Those are performance cars, plain and simple. I compare them based on performance. On a performance basis the Corvette (particulalry the Z06) deserves mention in thesame breath as any supercar. As for the comment on quality, perhaps you should go drive the new CTS or Malibu. You may be surprised at how far Detroit has come. I also like the assumption that you make that I have never driven a Vette or Ferrari. I have driven many Vette's and one Ferrari. The Ferrari was a F430 and while I got a lot of looks in it and the sound track was amazing, the overall performance wasn't anthing amazing....then again maybe I need to be on superior European roads before I can truly appreciate the Ferrari.

2. I never said American engineering was superior, I simply said that Americans aren't the retards you make them about to be. To me engineering is more than just developing a cool gizmo and throwing it in a car. Engineering is about the total package and to that end reliability trumps all. Just flip through a few pages of this forum and read about peoples problems...German engineering at its finest.

3. Your son may not be precisely right on about the Viper being God's gift to the automotive world, but you can't discount it's performance.

 

maybe we should all define "supercar"? ... having a buttload of power isn't a supercar ... you have to look at the whole package because that is what a car is ... and while every manufacturer tests and retests thier cars ... you have to be in the right element ... GERMANY windy/slippery/cold/unoccupied roads!!

 

Wrong answer. Read ANY car magazine. How can you sit there with a straight face and tell me that you expect a $75,000 Z06 to have THE SAME quality as a $200,000 car? Not to mention that Z06s are mass produced, not hand-built in factories by a team of highly skilled workers. I have to tell you, that was a marvelous argument. For your next one, I recommend you compare a $35 Casio watch to a $1500 Rolex and tell us how "horrible" the Casio is. Genius. Pure genius. A current generation Z06 will wipe the floor with many of these "holier than thou" Supercars that you so adore. Let me school you on some Nurburging lap times (you DO know what that is, correct?) The C6 Z06, ran a time of 7:42.9. Let's see if you can guess what it beat. Oh! That's right, it BEAT a Lamborghini Murcielago. And a Zonda S. AND a Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano.

Wow. You're right. Those Ferraris are untouchable and the Z06 is crap. You totally busted me.

It's funny how you say that HE lives in a dream world when you're backing up your "Ferrari superiority complex" with the fact that Ferrari interiors are nicer than a Z06s. OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE. Ferraris are LIMITED PRODUCTION cars that are three/four times as expensive as a Z06. Their interiors better be of higher quality than a Z06.

YOU are the one that lives in a dream world, and I just gave you your wake up call.

 

Very interesting discussion. I'm surprised at some of the flaming going on.

I just posted it because I thought it was neat that US automakers are moving to smaller enginers with turbos, which is a place that the European carmakers have been for a long time. Even when they do superchargers, the Europeans stick them on a small engine while US automakers design them for BIG block engines.

A 2.7l engine is pretty small (165 cid) but with a chip mine makes 318 hp. That's a lot compared to most American sixes at (average) 3.8l and a couple hundred horse, and probably more than most small V8s. And for ***** and grins, this past weekendIpicked up a Crossfire SRT6 with a 3.2l six, a supercharger, and 330hp. Looking forward to summer when I can drive it.

 

If you want to talk about the most superior machines out there, there should be no question in anyones mind who makes the best out there.

the japanese do... toyota, honda... and their upscale brands. They are the most reliable, and most bang for your buck in the long haul....period. they simply cant be touched right now when you take reliability into account. my camry has 200k on it and idles WAY better than my audi with 50K on it.

Are Audis nice cars... . yes, thats why i bought one, (but never will again)

Are they the best cars ever made.... Heck no!!!!!

Are American cars better than Euro ones.... yeah, some are... many arent .

Are American cars worst brand ever? Heck no!!!! (look up Yugo's)

This forum in general tends to be anti-american brands... but trust me, after buying an audi, and haven driven about every car maker (even a ferrari once), they are way over talked. My caddy before had better options, ride, acceleration, and overall comfortthan my audi now... and that car was6 years older!!!

Again, theseGermancarsare nice, but far from superior to japanese, and i would rate them just below american.

American were the leaders for dozens of years, and if they keep going the way they are, they will be again.

Funny how ive never seen an audi go for 600K on car auctions, but once a classic dodge hits the floor, those prices fly.

HMMMM interesting!!!