Hello,
First post here! I have been looking at the TT for a while now and the more i look that them the more i love them. I currently have a 03 se tiburon however i would like somthing with awd. So that narrows it down to the 180 awd and the 225 awd coupe. I have read differences between the two of them so far the biggest benifit i can see for the 225 is th3 6-speed gear box and slightly larger trim turbo.
My question is (sorry if it has been asked multiple times, lock this and point me in the right direction if this is the case) what do most of you guys have?? regrets for going with the awd 180 and not the 225? My overall goal is around 300whp I was looking at doing the Neuspeed pchip, 3" dp, 3" catback, forge dv, K&N filter on the MAF, and custom making a front mount ic (i have 2.5" u-bends and can weld) I had been looking at one that is around 26-30 * 8 * 2.5-3. How close would i get to 300whp with the 225 and 180 with these mods??? Also i thought i read there was a compression ratio difference between the 2 motors, is the 225 higher or lower, and did they make the internals stronger between the two? I guess i would just like to know which would be able to hold 300whp and be reliable....

again sorry if this has been asked tons of time, and sorry if it is in the wrong place.

 

About that six speed...its sixth gear is shorter than the five speed's fifth...quirky eh?

I think it's a pretty even split around here with regards to 225's/180's. The most you could squeeze out of a 180 would be about 250whp and that's with $3000 of mods and running the crap out of the turbo (27+ PSI). With a 225 you'll get a bit more but I doubt you'll hit 300 wheel.

For the price of all those bolt ons you could buy a GT28RS or (for cheaper) A T3 60 trim kit. Both spool really fast and hit 300whp easy.

Internals vary between the years, some 180's have just as strong internals as 225's whereas some 180's have weaker wrist pins. cincyTT knows which is which. The 225 has a reinforced block...but I haven't seen anyone really make a big deal out of that as it doesn't seem to matter.

 

hey thanks for the response!
the 225 wouldnt be able to hit 300ish whp with those mods??? Dang! I guess i need to look into what the differences are between the 180/225 and then look into the VW 1.8t. I had looked at those and i thought people were making in the 300whp zone from 3" dp back, chip, intake, and a fmic... Maybe i was wrong though, i guess the gti could come with a bigger turbo than the 225 though. What is the max efficiency of a ko3 and a ko4? hmmmm... What whp range do the TT's make from those mods? I looked at the gt28rs kits, i think it would be cheaper to buy a turbo and a manifold and fabricate everything else... I dont know though. Im not to familiar with turbo's i had a blower for my tiburon....

 

I chose to get a 180 from my friend who was the original owner rather than take my chances on a used 225 from a dealer lot. While I occasionally have a little envy for the 225's stock power and dual exhaust I am very happy with my 180quattro with APR93 chip.

 

i think the 225 should be close though to 300... with those mods. A few more and your there. You'll need a clutch though

 

You can get around 300 wheel, but you'll be beating the living daylights out of the K04. Running 33 psi I saw someone lay down 271whp/340wtq from a K04 on the dyno.

 

most power your going to see on a stock turbo without consideably shortening the life is
180 - 200-210whp (awd-fwd) and about 230ftlbs
225 - 215-225whp and about 250-260ftlbs

The awd's (both 180 and 225) have a nicer o2m tranny. It is much stronger than the o2j in the fwd cars. The stock rods in the 2000 and early 01 ATC cars have the same 20mm wrist pin rods in the 225m but the 225's have lower c/r, making it safer to run more boost. These will hold closer 320tq before needing replaced and 01+ 180 19mm wrist pin rods should be changed once crossing 300wt.q

As for the block, the 225 has some webbing which makes the "stronger", but either block will withstand more power than you can throw at it.

 

ok so could make 270ish whp for a while and in order to break the 300 whp mark and be reliable i would be looking at a larger turbo and built block.
I just want to make sure this is the route i want to go, i dont want to end up being slower than i am now. Even though the look of the TT is way better than a tib I can make 300+ whp on 10-11 psi with my blower....
Im sure my tiburon probably weighs more though and it isnt awd...
Thanks for the answers guys!!

 

My brother test drove a Tib and it was slow as hell. It was even a V6. Your really not going to reach 300whp on a stock turbo unless you add in a 50-75shot of nitrous. The extra drivetrain loss and low flowing head (compared to most hondas and other imports), its not going to happen.

 

yeah tiburons are super slow stock however i have I/H/E fuel tuner, street/strip clutch, 11lb flywheel, and i have a roots style blower that was waiting to be installed until i changed my mine.
its a magnuson mp62 blower i have a 2.75 upper pulley, 6.5 lower pulley, very large fmac, pump, SVT aluminum ice box, and a billet inlet elbo. So with my mods and the blower i would have around 300+ whp. Plus it has an agressive gear ratio with the 6-speed...
They are slow but they show great gains from f/i. So if i put my blower on my tiburon will be a quick car.
I just like to overall look of the TT and the awd. I think it is overall a better platform for mods.

upgrading the turbo on those and making the bottom end stronger 300+whp would be pretty easy though...
I dont know I would imagine 260-270 whp on a awd TT feels like a rocket ship... and is just insane from a dig...