Tt quattro 225 upgrades?
 

Hey guys I'm new to the site and I just bought a 2002 audi Tt quarto 225 over the past weekend and I want to know what would be worth my money in performance mods I know the chipped ecu is a favorite but I want to know what else I can do , I wanna make this car alot faster then stock so any suggestions pls let me know thanks guys and I'll post some pics up of it soon

Well.. if you want it ALOT faster, a turbo upgrade is the only way to do that.
If you want a package deal... APR makes a package deal with everything included for $7,000 Click Here
Otherwise, you'll need the following:
Turbo kit from pagparts: $3500-4500 (includes turbo, downpipe, oil lines, injectors, fuel pump i think?, ECU tune for bigger turbo, and a few more things I cant think of at the moment
Front Mount Intercooler: $700-$1200 (the car comes stock with two small side mount intercoolers and they will NOT be enough once you do just about any mods... )
High Flow Intake: $40 (you basically just need a 3" high flow cone filter or mushroom filter)
Big Brake Kit $1700-$2500 If you add more than 50-75 HP to the car, you will definitely need big brakes or you wont be able to stop the car sufficiently
Suspension: Coilovers: $1200-$1750 , Sway Bars (front and back): $250, Polyurethane suspension bushings: $300 (stock bushings are foam rubber and by $40,000 miles they're deteriorated and worthless creating roll in the handling; poly bushings eliminate this)
Exhaust $1800 - $2500 (Unfortunately on the 225 TT, the downpipe from the Turbo to the Cat is extremely difficult to engineer because of space... this makes them quite expensive. You can get a cat-back from anywhere... but very few places have successfully made a downpipe. I know APR did it, and 44 Draft Designs also did it.)
Intake Manifold: $700-$1000 It isnt a MUST, but if you really do want BIG power, you'll need a performance manifold (preferably Large Port, which means you'll need a large port head to go with it)
Internals Not a must unless you plan to go beyond 400HP... but if you do, you'll need new rods.

check out the following places for some performance parts
TTStuff
TheTTShop
ECSTuning

Also... there's a way better breakdown of the Big Turbo process on the Big Turbo Thread in the TT Forum Thread list... both of the sticky's have a ton of info

I looked at the site and I got about $5,000 to play with so I wanna get the most outta it

Read this then read this

Agreed, that's the sticky posts I was referring to; a HUGE resource for information on what you need. Read those links... and they'll answer 95% of your questions.

Ya I read that already but I wanna know what exactly would be worth the money ($5,000)

Bigger turbo! Exhaust and Cold air Intake and FMIC...

There really is no such thing as a cold air intake on our cars, not in the traditional sense of the term anyway. You can get a high flow intake, but routing the intake for cold air is difficult and not worth the effort. Since the air runs thru the turbo AFTER the intake... if you reduce the temp by 5-10 degrees pre-turbo... the temp difference post-turbo will be negligible if not nothing.

If you want to cool the intake air (at the manifold before entering the engine), it should be done after the turbo... since the turbo compresses the air and Gay-Lussac's Law states that psi is directly proportional to temp, pressurizing the intake air increases the temperature... even if there is no heat source present.

the law works in reverse as well. De-Pressurizing a compound causes it to cool; this is why aerosol cans get freezing cold when you spray them continuously, releasing the gas from the pressurized can. Also, this concept is the basic principle behind how closed system refrigeration works. Evaporator on an A/C system is where the refrigerant is converted back to a gas from a liquid... causing it to cool very rapidly... then its once again pushed thru the system at the compressor, the compound is condensed back to a hot liquid/gas and cooled at the condensor, and the cycle goes again.

Anyone know a good shop or person in ny that could help me with this work

Forcefed Engineering and Pagparts are both in NY and can do anything you need. With $5k, a t3t4 50trim turbo kit and fmic setup from pagparts would be what i would do.

Are they expensive

I don't know how mechanically inclined you are... and if you have any experience doing turbo work.. but the FMIC is a pretty easy install... but the turbo itself will cost you quite a bit in labor; you might wanna set aside at least $800-$1,000 for labor if you don't plan to do the work yourself. Otherwise, I agree with Nate. But if you set aside the $1k for labor... you can easily get a big turbo kit for under $4k

the problem you'll have tho... is that if you blow your whole wad on the turbo kit... you'll end up with a ton of power and lacking the braking ability to safely stop your car once you get it really moving.. and thats extremely dangerous.

I ALWAYS recommend that before adding more than 100-300HP to your car... you should definitely upgrade your brakes first, your cooling (intercooler), and strengthen your suspension. The worst thing you can do is create a Super rocket car that you cant control or stop. You really don't need to do a ton on the suspension, but I'd say polyurethane bushings... and sway bars are almost a must... otherwise you'll roll the damn thing the first time you try to turn at speed... and since you wont have the brakes to slow down before turning... you'll HAVE TO turn at speed. So yea... at least one or the other... if you cant strengthen the suspension to prevent rolling... then at least upgrade the brakes so you wont have to turn at such high speeds.

If I was to get the apr turbo kit how much do you think a shop will charge me to put it in

Where do you live??

If you live anywhere near Alabama/Georgia, you can just go to the APR shop and let THEM put it in.

So you have $5k to spend and you want to buy a $7k turbo kit AND have it installed? My math may be off but isnt 7 > 5?

A 50trim kit from pagparts is around $3500 for everything. Add in a fmic $500-1k and another $500 or so for an install if you cant do it. hhhhmmm Mild 20psi will get you ~300whp, build the motor and add other parts and 350-375whp is doable on pump and 425-450whp on race gas is doable

I'll wait a month and I'll have 8 or 9 grand total

still go with pagparts, apr is overpriced and underperforms

wow... $3500 is a good price.

Wonder what he'd ask for a T30 gt3071r setup, including downpipe?

Just do the drop downs on the website.

what website?
I went to pagparts... but I didn't se any drop downs..

nvm... i found it.
you have to select the Vband T3T4 .50trim Turbo kit FIRST... then it gives you the option of changing subcomponents.

do I NEED Intank Fueling kit?

an inline pump is better and you will need one

So u telling me pagparts will outperform apr and it will cost me less

yes and yes. Great parts and better tuning sw. You can actually pic what turbo you want instead of being given one option

With APR, you pay for the name and convenience.

With pagparts... YOU pick the turbo and options you want... and they assemble a kit with everything else you'll need to make those parts selected work as a kit.

Arnold at Pagparts has gone well beyond great service for my build. Will have a bit of a one off set of parts.

Bro thanks I found and made a awesome set up and it'll cost me alil under 5 grand but my only question now is how much would thy charge todo the install if I buy the kit from them and also does the kit come with a intercoolwr bc i looked and it didn't say

It doesn't come with an intercooler...
and Im not sure if they do installs, but your local vw/audi tuner should be able to do the install for around $600-$1000

Am I gunna need the intercooler bc some say I do and some say I don't

Anyone that says you don't need an upgraded Intercooler with a Big Turbo upgrade... is wrong.
The stock intercoolers on our cars are crap; they barely cool the existing setup. Many folks' cars will begin to overheat at stop lights even without any mods at all... you DEFINITELY need an intercooler.

Depending on what turbo kit you got, you may only need a moderate intercooler for $400-$600... Bigger setups need big cooling.
Which turbo did you decide on, and what kind of HP are you shooting for?

Ok well my friend who is a turbo fanatic told me to get the gt3076r turbo with a open dump wastegate with 630cc injectors with the 3" race cat and the aem dryflow cone 3"

He said I can get about 450-500hp with turbo back exhaust and tune

that sounds close to right... but if he said you can do it without an FMIC, then he was wrong.

for a 3076 setup... hell, for ANY setup that gives 450+HP, you'll definitely need a FMIC... and a pretty decent one at that.

What type of fmic would you suggest

I'd say for 450-500HP, you'll need a Forge, Kinetic or APR FMIC... any of those should be sufficient to cool a gt3076r 450-500HP turbo setup.

How much should I expect to spend on the fmic

click the links in my last post... the "Forge", "APR", and "Kinetic" are blue and underlined because they are hyperlinks to the websites for each FMIC... and there's prices listed on each. Just click on each of those words and it will open the website for each of those FMIC makers... then you can look at those FMICs and prices and decide which one you want.

All three are good FMICs and all three will meet your needs.

The Kinetics is $795, and has Stainless Steel Piping included in the kit.

The Forge is $1,194, its one of the largest FMICs that will fit our cars, and comes with Silicone Rubber piping

The APR is $1,099, doesn't look as good as the other two because it isn't symetrical... it too has silicone rubber piping , but is the best performing and most efficient design of the three (because it is a cast, Z-Flow design).

again tho... all three will meet your needs (albeit the kinetic will be pushing its limits), its a matter of preference, price, and aesthetics.

That turbo can produce those numbers yes, but you will blow a stock motor. You are now in need of building the motor with a new set of rods. Rods plus this install and misc parts will run you $1k-1200. You will need more than just the turbo to get to those numbers also.

Give the car to Arnold at pagparts and he will build one for you. He uses garrett cores with his endtanks that will fit your needs. The Kinetic kit uses a core thats to long and hits the bumper, the forge kit is to small, and the APR kit is overpriced.

I should point out that you really need to read the links i have posted where all this stuff is coverd