a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
#11
02-05-2008, 10:44 PM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
uhh 12v has 184ft-lb thats enough Torque for a 96 car lol and they made a mid 97 model i guess you can call it a "1997.5" 
where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.
and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!!
or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!!
or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
#12
02-05-2008, 11:13 PM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
both reliable motors, 12v is simpler, and not gay, when i bought my second audi it was either a 12v V6 or a 97 1.8t i picked the v6 because it dosent break like the 1.8t. pretty much just there for reliability, not tuner friendly. good on gas for a V6. my small 15gal tank gets me about 300 +/-20 miles.
#13
02-05-2008, 11:30 PM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: SAudi
both reliable motors, 12v is simpler, and not gay, when i bought my second audi it was either a 12v V6 or a 97 1.8t i picked the v6 because it dosent break like the 1.8t. pretty much just there for reliability, not tuner friendly. good on gas for a V6. my small 15gal tank gets me about 300 +/-20 miles.
both reliable motors, 12v is simpler, and not gay, when i bought my second audi it was either a 12v V6 or a 97 1.8t i picked the v6 because it dosent break like the 1.8t. pretty much just there for reliability, not tuner friendly. good on gas for a V6. my small 15gal tank gets me about 300 +/-20 miles.
#14
02-06-2008, 12:55 AM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4
uhh 12v has 184ft-lb thats enough Torque for a 96 car lol and they made a mid 97 model i guess you can call it a "1997.5" where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.
and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!! or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
uhh 12v has 184ft-lb thats enough Torque for a 96 car lol and they made a mid 97 model i guess you can call it a "1997.5"
where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!!
or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
the 12v just doesn't have any mods. nobody is gona put the money and r&d into that motor. the 30v has a little bit of aftermarket support but not much. you can supercharge it or do a custom turbo setup but the block wasn't meant to take that much power so you'll have to build the block quite a bit if your looking for serious power. whereas with a 1.8t you can push ~400hp with stock internals and there is a large aftermarket support.
#15
02-06-2008, 02:18 AM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4
uhh 12v has 184ft-lb thats enough Torque for a 96 car lol and they made a mid 97 model i guess you can call it a "1997.5" where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.
and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!! or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
uhh 12v has 184ft-lb thats enough Torque for a 96 car lol and they made a mid 97 model i guess you can call it a "1997.5"
where they changed the hitachi ECU to the bosch ECU afterward, so yes mid 97 models as long as it has a BOSCH then it can be chipped if its a v6.and what do you mean 98s are faster? i have beatin plenty of 98 audi a4 v6's when i was stock!!!
or almost stock, i had my intake at the time....but either way i still should of lost!!
#17
02-06-2008, 07:59 AM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
LOL well of course this car isent made for power...its made strictly to remain N/A but why dont people make parts for the 12v? only because the ECU is not chippable... i bet you if anything if the 96 v6 12v had a Bosch instead of a Hitachi ECU they would be making superchargers left and right for this car...why do i say that because PES-Tuning told me that as info to drag along with me during this project im doing with this custom turbo and atleast gave me support because they know its possible, and also said if i get a stand along ECU i would be able to support "THEIR" supercharger just like the 30vs...Now yes the 30vs are better only because of new thinking in the next 2 years they were developing the v6 motor because every car company wants to improve their model cars as years progress but i wouldnt say "superior" just a step above. If it was "superior" then every single part would be changable "LIKE HONDAS" and that motor would be able to handle 3 or 4 times as much power as the 12v v6 STOCK with no internals. The point im getting to is yall down the 12v v6 motor because of its restrictions, those restrictions can be modded and changed but with more money and extra time. The V6 12v motor can handle stock up to 300HP Audi was making these engines strong in 96 as well just because a company dosent make a product for a car dosent mean its not capible of some good HP.
thats all
thats all
#18
02-06-2008, 11:50 AM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: Pablo_Ottawa
12V slow, less torque and GAY!!!!
30V Faster can be modded more and less GAY!!!
12V slow, less torque and GAY!!!!
30V Faster can be modded more and less GAY!!!
#19
02-06-2008, 12:44 PM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4
LOL well of course this car isent made for power...its made strictly to remain N/A but why dont people make parts for the 12v? only because the ECU is not chippable... i bet you if anything if the 96 v6 12v had a Bosch instead of a Hitachi ECU they would be making superchargers left and right for this car...why do i say that because PES-Tuning told me that as info to drag along with me during this project im doing with this custom turbo and atleast gave me support because they know its possible, and also said if i get a stand along ECU i would be able to support "THEIR" supercharger just like the 30vs...Now yes the 30vs are better only because of new thinking in the next 2 years they were developing the v6 motor because every car company wants to improve their model cars as years progress but i wouldnt say "superior" just a step above. If it was "superior" then every single part would be changable "LIKE HONDAS" and that motor would be able to handle 3 or 4 times as much power as the 12v v6 STOCK with no internals. The point im getting to is yall down the 12v v6 motor because of its restrictions, those restrictions can be modded and changed but with more money and extra time. The V6 12v motor can handle stock up to 300HP Audi was making these engines strong in 96 as well just because a company dosent make a product for a car dosent mean its not capible of some good HP.
thats all
LOL well of course this car isent made for power...its made strictly to remain N/A but why dont people make parts for the 12v? only because the ECU is not chippable... i bet you if anything if the 96 v6 12v had a Bosch instead of a Hitachi ECU they would be making superchargers left and right for this car...why do i say that because PES-Tuning told me that as info to drag along with me during this project im doing with this custom turbo and atleast gave me support because they know its possible, and also said if i get a stand along ECU i would be able to support "THEIR" supercharger just like the 30vs...Now yes the 30vs are better only because of new thinking in the next 2 years they were developing the v6 motor because every car company wants to improve their model cars as years progress but i wouldnt say "superior" just a step above. If it was "superior" then every single part would be changable "LIKE HONDAS" and that motor would be able to handle 3 or 4 times as much power as the 12v v6 STOCK with no internals. The point im getting to is yall down the 12v v6 motor because of its restrictions, those restrictions can be modded and changed but with more money and extra time. The V6 12v motor can handle stock up to 300HP Audi was making these engines strong in 96 as well just because a company dosent make a product for a car dosent mean its not capible of some good HP.
thats all
#20
02-06-2008, 06:45 PM
RE: a4 2.8 differences between 12V & 30V
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
well almost ANY engine can put down sick numbers if you dump enough money into them. so that doesn't really help your point. the fact is, BECAUSE of the ecu, it is undesirable to mod. also even if you went standalone and did the exact same setup on the 12v and 30v, the 30v would be faster. it can breath much better due to having 5 valves per cylinder, instead of just 2. pretty much anything with only 2 valves per cylinder isn't very desirable to mod, you'd want at least 4. so the 12v really is inferior to the 30v. audi modified it and made it better for a reason
ORIGINAL: 1SIKA4
LOL well of course this car isent made for power...its made strictly to remain N/A but why dont people make parts for the 12v? only because the ECU is not chippable... i bet you if anything if the 96 v6 12v had a Bosch instead of a Hitachi ECU they would be making superchargers left and right for this car...why do i say that because PES-Tuning told me that as info to drag along with me during this project im doing with this custom turbo and atleast gave me support because they know its possible, and also said if i get a stand along ECU i would be able to support "THEIR" supercharger just like the 30vs...Now yes the 30vs are better only because of new thinking in the next 2 years they were developing the v6 motor because every car company wants to improve their model cars as years progress but i wouldnt say "superior" just a step above. If it was "superior" then every single part would be changable "LIKE HONDAS" and that motor would be able to handle 3 or 4 times as much power as the 12v v6 STOCK with no internals. The point im getting to is yall down the 12v v6 motor because of its restrictions, those restrictions can be modded and changed but with more money and extra time. The V6 12v motor can handle stock up to 300HP Audi was making these engines strong in 96 as well just because a company dosent make a product for a car dosent mean its not capible of some good HP.
thats all
LOL well of course this car isent made for power...its made strictly to remain N/A but why dont people make parts for the 12v? only because the ECU is not chippable... i bet you if anything if the 96 v6 12v had a Bosch instead of a Hitachi ECU they would be making superchargers left and right for this car...why do i say that because PES-Tuning told me that as info to drag along with me during this project im doing with this custom turbo and atleast gave me support because they know its possible, and also said if i get a stand along ECU i would be able to support "THEIR" supercharger just like the 30vs...Now yes the 30vs are better only because of new thinking in the next 2 years they were developing the v6 motor because every car company wants to improve their model cars as years progress but i wouldnt say "superior" just a step above. If it was "superior" then every single part would be changable "LIKE HONDAS" and that motor would be able to handle 3 or 4 times as much power as the 12v v6 STOCK with no internals. The point im getting to is yall down the 12v v6 motor because of its restrictions, those restrictions can be modded and changed but with more money and extra time. The V6 12v motor can handle stock up to 300HP Audi was making these engines strong in 96 as well just because a company dosent make a product for a car dosent mean its not capible of some good HP.
thats all lol now come on you got to understand were im coming from. I know the 12v isent all that but its STILL an Audi built motor it can handle just good enough power to be just good enough and thats the whole point im trying to come across...with everything this motor is still capible of 300HP witch is reasonable for a car that started out in the 90's with about 140WHP and 174 engine HP.