Timing off CEL code and rattle
#1
Timing off CEL code and rattle
Hi all. I posted initially on this a few months ago. Here is the post if your interested: https://www.audiforums.com/forum/b5-...2/#post1430778
Finally got around to pulling the front end and valve cover off to check the timing. Here are pictures:
Timing looks spot on to me. Let me know if you disagree.
I got a different code reader and now the code that is popping is P0011: P0011 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced) .
I also get a rattle usually at mid rpm's that sounds like it is coming from the back of the vavle cover (timing chain) I saw no indication of wear on the valve cover or head that I could see.
The rattle seems to occur when the car is warmed up more and also don't do it as much on new oil.
I'm wondering if I have an oil pressure issue due to sludge and the timing tensioner is getting slack causing the rattle and the timing off code.
I have run the first course of autorx and am now in the rinse phase. No change. I think my next step is to get a oil pressure gauge and see where I'm at. Any input would be appreciated.
Finally got around to pulling the front end and valve cover off to check the timing. Here are pictures:
Timing looks spot on to me. Let me know if you disagree.
I got a different code reader and now the code that is popping is P0011: P0011 - Bank 1: Camshaft A (Intake): Retard Setpoint not Reached (Over-Advanced) .
I also get a rattle usually at mid rpm's that sounds like it is coming from the back of the vavle cover (timing chain) I saw no indication of wear on the valve cover or head that I could see.
The rattle seems to occur when the car is warmed up more and also don't do it as much on new oil.
I'm wondering if I have an oil pressure issue due to sludge and the timing tensioner is getting slack causing the rattle and the timing off code.
I have run the first course of autorx and am now in the rinse phase. No change. I think my next step is to get a oil pressure gauge and see where I'm at. Any input would be appreciated.
#4
forgot to mention I did replace the timing chain tensioner. That was my first suspiction too. I used one of these cheap ones: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-AUDI-1-8T-Timing-Chain-Tensioner-058109088K-/290920745410?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43bc3a49c2&vxp=mtr
Car behaved exactly like it did before I replaced the tensioner. I also replaced the front cam position sensor since they are cheap.
I'll see if I can get an oil pressure gauge that will work. Will one of the loaners from autozone fit? Looks like it threads in in a spot on top of where the oil filter mounts.
Car behaved exactly like it did before I replaced the tensioner. I also replaced the front cam position sensor since they are cheap.
I'll see if I can get an oil pressure gauge that will work. Will one of the loaners from autozone fit? Looks like it threads in in a spot on top of where the oil filter mounts.
#5
OK.I have tested my oil pressure. Here are the results:
Cold:
Idle 50 psi
2K RPM 65 psi
3K RPM 75 psi
Oil at 175 degrees
idle: 17
2K rpm 40 psi
3K rpm 55 psi
Seems low. What do you guys think?
Thanks for the assistance.
Cold:
Idle 50 psi
2K RPM 65 psi
3K RPM 75 psi
Oil at 175 degrees
idle: 17
2K rpm 40 psi
3K rpm 55 psi
Seems low. What do you guys think?
Thanks for the assistance.
#7
Here is a video of the noise coming from the engine:
Since my oil pressure is close to spec I'm back to thinking I have a timing chain tensioner issue even though I already replaced this once. Maybe I got a bad one or the screen on the tensioner is plugging up. I went ahead and ordered a new one. This time I went with an OEM. I'll report back.
#9
It did the trick. I still here a slight buzz sometimes at startup and certain low rpm's. Usually when I am getting close to oil change time. I think it was always there, I just now have a sensitive ear for it.
#10
Timing Chain tensioner fixed the rattle but didn't fix the P0340 code. Finally figured out that the timing chain that connects the cams was stretched. I replaced the chain and no more code and got some lost power back too. Hope this helps someone in the future.