what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
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RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
and another thing. all you do is bitch and whine about the elims and their restrictive turbine housings. but yet you're telling people to go with a T25 flanged GT30r? that makes no sense at all
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RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: sean1.8t
cincy, you just started an argument agains me. and then answered your own argument against me before i could even respond.. Umm what? What you said made 0 sense. Read your post and mine again. You cant use any other turbo with a PES kit if you want more power. You are locked in on that t28 and that t28 only.
wow, you really have some insecurity issues to go off like that. are you really that sad? No, im just tired of going back and fixing your mistakes and dealing with your BS over and over.
i like that part about you implying the T28 is a bad turbo since it's non DBB when you are quoted all over this place saying that a non DBB turbo is not really anywhere behind a GT DBB turbo as far as quality and spool time.. I said the T28 was a bad turbo compared to the gt28r. They are both in the $800 range and the gt28r is leaps and bounds better. If it was so good, DSM'ers wouldnt hate them so much. The only people i know that still use the is the Lancer community since they only boost to 10psi max. As for journal vs dbb, journal bearings are still good turbos. Me not liking one has nothing to do with not liking t3s60, t3t4's, or the gt2x. Again, read before posting more BS.
cincy, you just started an argument agains me. and then answered your own argument against me before i could even respond.. Umm what? What you said made 0 sense. Read your post and mine again. You cant use any other turbo with a PES kit if you want more power. You are locked in on that t28 and that t28 only.
wow, you really have some insecurity issues to go off like that. are you really that sad? No, im just tired of going back and fixing your mistakes and dealing with your BS over and over.
i like that part about you implying the T28 is a bad turbo since it's non DBB when you are quoted all over this place saying that a non DBB turbo is not really anywhere behind a GT DBB turbo as far as quality and spool time.. I said the T28 was a bad turbo compared to the gt28r. They are both in the $800 range and the gt28r is leaps and bounds better. If it was so good, DSM'ers wouldnt hate them so much. The only people i know that still use the is the Lancer community since they only boost to 10psi max. As for journal vs dbb, journal bearings are still good turbos. Me not liking one has nothing to do with not liking t3s60, t3t4's, or the gt2x. Again, read before posting more BS.
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From: In my head
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
wasn't talking about the PES kit. i was talking bout the apr stg 3. what i was referring to was what you stated in the second paragraph. which is what sean said, i think you just read it wrong.
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
Ummm, take a look at the PES manifold and turbo again. The flange is turned 90* so no other turbo will work. You cant reuse the housing on another gt28 turbo since the gt28r actually uses a gt25 turbine wheel and a 60mm compressor wheel like a gt2860r aka gt28rs. So your stuck.
Like I said 3x before, you can get a 3076r in a T25 housing and replace the gt28r that comes with a apr kit. There is 2 people doing that as we speak on vortex. One is a A4 and the other is a gti. A T3 housing is a better option for a gt30 series turbo, but if your locked in a T25 manifold and downpipe you can use them
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
in Sean's defense- he said you would have to get an adapter plate if you upgraded to a 30 series which normally use t3 housings. or you could get a 30 series with a t25 flange and keep the same manifold
in Sean's defense- he said you would have to get an adapter plate if you upgraded to a 30 series which normally use t3 housings. or you could get a 30 series with a t25 flange and keep the same manifold
Like I said 3x before, you can get a 3076r in a T25 housing and replace the gt28r that comes with a apr kit. There is 2 people doing that as we speak on vortex. One is a A4 and the other is a gti. A T3 housing is a better option for a gt30 series turbo, but if your locked in a T25 manifold and downpipe you can use them
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From: In my head
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: sean1.8t
and another thing. all you do is bitch and whine about the elims and their restrictive turbine housings. but yet you're telling people to go with a T25 flanged GT30r? that makes no sense at all
and another thing. all you do is bitch and whine about the elims and their restrictive turbine housings. but yet you're telling people to go with a T25 flanged GT30r? that makes no sense at all
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Orlando, FL
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
here's what you said
For that price you should go apr for just a little more. At least then the normal housingallows you to upgrade down the road to a RSto 3076r
and second, the APR stage 3 kit uses a t25 flanged manifold for their gt28r turbo. not 28rs.. so unless you make an adapter plate, or get a hybrid t25 flanged 30 series, you're going to change out the manifold anyways
i think you read it as, him still referring to the PES kit, which, as you said, wouldn't be able to upgrade to later turbo's cause of the 90* turn
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From: In my head
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
what?
here's what you said
then sean stated
all he was saying is that if you got the apr kit, and then wanted to go with a 3076r (which is normally t3 flange) you would have to get an adapter plate, or get the t25 flanged 3076r, if you wanted to keep the same manifold.
i think you read it as, him still referring to the PES kit, which, as you said, wouldn't be able to upgrade to later turbo's cause of the 90* turn
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
here's what you said
For that price you should go apr for just a little more. At least then the normal housingallows you to upgrade down the road to a RSto 3076r
and second, the APR stage 3 kit uses a t25 flanged manifold for their gt28r turbo. not 28rs.. so unless you make an adapter plate, or get a hybrid t25 flanged 30 series, you're going to change out the manifold anyways
i think you read it as, him still referring to the PES kit, which, as you said, wouldn't be able to upgrade to later turbo's cause of the 90* turn
Why not spend 2 mins at atp and see that you what you can get?
Can i be done repeating myself now? Instead read what i said and look for yourself.
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Orlando, FL
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
Nope, totally read that right. What Sean said make 0 sense for the 3rd time. Why would you buy/need an adapter when you can buy an off the shelf T25 gt30 series turbo? For the 3rd time again, there is a A4 and a GTI both going from a stg3+ to a gt30 turbo (A4=3071r gti = 3076r).
Why not spend 2 mins at atp and see that you what you can get?
Can i be done repeating myself now? Instead read what i said and look for yourself.
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
what?
here's what you said
then sean stated
all he was saying is that if you got the apr kit, and then wanted to go with a 3076r (which is normally t3 flange) you would have to get an adapter plate, or get the t25 flanged 3076r, if you wanted to keep the same manifold.
i think you read it as, him still referring to the PES kit, which, as you said, wouldn't be able to upgrade to later turbo's cause of the 90* turn
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
If you would of read and understood what i wrote you wouldnt of repsonded with the same incorrect information that Sean did. Apr uses a standerd T25 housing and makes it interchangeable with any other gt turbo with a t25 housing.
here's what you said
For that price you should go apr for just a little more. At least then the normal housingallows you to upgrade down the road to a RSto 3076r
and second, the APR stage 3 kit uses a t25 flanged manifold for their gt28r turbo. not 28rs.. so unless you make an adapter plate, or get a hybrid t25 flanged 30 series, you're going to change out the manifold anyways
i think you read it as, him still referring to the PES kit, which, as you said, wouldn't be able to upgrade to later turbo's cause of the 90* turn
Why not spend 2 mins at atp and see that you what you can get?
Can i be done repeating myself now? Instead read what i said and look for yourself.
but i too am sick of this thread, i was just trying to be peacemaker. im over it, have at it you two[8D]
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From: In my head
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
Here you go
3076r on atp manifold, dp, and sw GTI
3076r turbine
28rs turbine
Installed
The A4 3071r on apr manifold and dp
Here's the parts I have coming...
PAGparts custom 3071R .64AR 3 inch inlet (custom to fit on the APR mani)
PAGparts actuator for custom turbo
Siemens 630cc's flowed/balenced
90mm Ford Lightning MAF
500hp Garrett Core (31x6.5x3)
Walbro 255lph intank
Chris Tapp custom tune
Innovate LM-1
034 Engine Mounts
034 Tranny Mounts
034 Snub Mount w/ Bracket
All new studs, nut and other hardware for exhaust and mani
Pauter rods w/ optional EDM hole
83mm Wiseco's w/ upgraded comp rings, wrist pins and skirt coating
AEB oil pan (old one got nicked and Issam just so happened to have one
)
APR R1 DV
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
Southbend Stage 4 OFE
Replacement friction surface for the flywheel
What I still have to order...
Direct port w/m (prob USRT)
Refresh the head and some sort of cams by Bob@QED
Motor rebuild kit w/ rods (QED)
Here's what I haven't decided yet...
Type of cams
3076r on atp manifold, dp, and sw GTI
3076r turbine
28rs turbine
Installed
The A4 3071r on apr manifold and dp
Here's the parts I have coming...
PAGparts custom 3071R .64AR 3 inch inlet (custom to fit on the APR mani)
PAGparts actuator for custom turbo
Siemens 630cc's flowed/balenced
90mm Ford Lightning MAF
500hp Garrett Core (31x6.5x3)
Walbro 255lph intank
Chris Tapp custom tune
Innovate LM-1
034 Engine Mounts
034 Tranny Mounts
034 Snub Mount w/ Bracket
All new studs, nut and other hardware for exhaust and mani
Pauter rods w/ optional EDM hole
83mm Wiseco's w/ upgraded comp rings, wrist pins and skirt coating
AEB oil pan (old one got nicked and Issam just so happened to have one
)APR R1 DV
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
Southbend Stage 4 OFE
Replacement friction surface for the flywheel
What I still have to order...
Direct port w/m (prob USRT)
Refresh the head and some sort of cams by Bob@QED
Motor rebuild kit w/ rods (QED)
Here's what I haven't decided yet...
Type of cams
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Joined: Dec 2006
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From: In my head
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
[&o] he gave 2 different options, never said you had to do one or the other. he never disagreed that you couldn't go from stg 3 to a 30 series either.
but i too am sick of this thread, i was just trying to be peacemaker. im over it, have at it you two[8D]
[&o] he gave 2 different options, never said you had to do one or the other. he never disagreed that you couldn't go from stg 3 to a 30 series either.
but i too am sick of this thread, i was just trying to be peacemaker. im over it, have at it you two[8D]
Its ok, Sean will just pawn it off on me some how.
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Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,355
From: Orlando, FL
RE: what would it take to get these (hp)numbers?
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
You were fine but neither of you understand what your saying. Sean is making stuff up and your trying to make sense of things that make none.
Its ok, Sean will just pawn it off on me some how.
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
[&o] he gave 2 different options, never said you had to do one or the other. he never disagreed that you couldn't go from stg 3 to a 30 series either.
but i too am sick of this thread, i was just trying to be peacemaker. im over it, have at it you two[8D]
[&o] he gave 2 different options, never said you had to do one or the other. he never disagreed that you couldn't go from stg 3 to a 30 series either.
but i too am sick of this thread, i was just trying to be peacemaker. im over it, have at it you two[8D]
Its ok, Sean will just pawn it off on me some how.
ORIGINAL: sean1.8t
the APR stage 3 kit uses a t25 flanged manifold for their gt28r turbo. not 28rs.. so unless you make an adapter plate, or get a hybrid t25 flanged 30 series, you're going to change out the manifold anyways
the APR stage 3 kit uses a t25 flanged manifold for their gt28r turbo. not 28rs.. so unless you make an adapter plate, or get a hybrid t25 flanged 30 series, you're going to change out the manifold anyways