Trim too Lean? P1128
Here is the code I am getting:
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17536 - *Fuel Trim; Bank 1 (Mult): System too Lean
* * * * * * P1128 - 001 - *Upper Limit Exceeded
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I started getting this code a month or two ago and thought it was a result of the fuel filter being all clogged up. It was way past due for a fuel filter change, but hat has since been done.
I also recently changed the plugs. The MAF seems to be a common cause from others but my MAF isn't very old. Also, there are no vacuum leaks that I know of as I fixed all of those as they have popped up over the years. All of the vacuum hoses are mostly new.
Every time I clear the code (and thus reset the fuel trim memory), I get REALLY rough idle -- almost to the point of ot running. After about 30-60 seconds of that, it seems to calm down and everything runs fine, however after driving a bit the CEL comes back on and this code reappears.
Any ideas suggestions? Perhaps I'll start with some MAF cleaner, but I suspect that isn't the issue given the MAF is only about a year old.
-Chris
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17536 - *Fuel Trim; Bank 1 (Mult): System too Lean
* * * * * * P1128 - 001 - *Upper Limit Exceeded
*************
I started getting this code a month or two ago and thought it was a result of the fuel filter being all clogged up. It was way past due for a fuel filter change, but hat has since been done.
I also recently changed the plugs. The MAF seems to be a common cause from others but my MAF isn't very old. Also, there are no vacuum leaks that I know of as I fixed all of those as they have popped up over the years. All of the vacuum hoses are mostly new.
Every time I clear the code (and thus reset the fuel trim memory), I get REALLY rough idle -- almost to the point of ot running. After about 30-60 seconds of that, it seems to calm down and everything runs fine, however after driving a bit the CEL comes back on and this code reappears.
Any ideas suggestions? Perhaps I'll start with some MAF cleaner, but I suspect that isn't the issue given the MAF is only about a year old.
-Chris
Yes on both. MAF and Coil Packs are around 1 year old. Plugs are only a couple of weeks old.
Attached is a screen shot of some measuring blocks as seen at idle. It's weird that 032 is 0% no matter what.... isn't it?
-Chris
Attached is a screen shot of some measuring blocks as seen at idle. It's weird that 032 is 0% no matter what.... isn't it?
-Chris
What exactly is that 032 measuring block anyway?
-Chris
Ahh okay, I get it now... those values adjust something like the richness offset and/or injector timing values offset based on what the ECU calculates from the O2 sensor about how efficiently the mixture is burning (as a result of how accurate the timing of the injectors is). I had just cleared the codes before I read that measuring block value, so it hadn't had time to re-adjust very much.
I have been driving it a bit (and have CEL on again), so I'll go pull the codes and read that measuring block at lunch time if it isn't still raining.
-Chris
I have been driving it a bit (and have CEL on again), so I'll go pull the codes and read that measuring block at lunch time if it isn't still raining.
-Chris
From VWVortex.com - VAG-COM procedures for testing the MAF, O2 sensors and catalytic converter
Block 032 - Oxygen Sensor Control Learned Values
- Go to Block 032. Field 1 represents the fuel trim at idle (additive) and Field 2 represents the fuel trim at part load (multiplicative), i.e., while driving. The value should be between -10 and +10% (negative indicates the engine is running rich and positive indicates the engine is running lean). If the value is close to +25% (which is the upper limit), it usually means that the MAF is bad. If the value is somewhere betweeen +10 and +25%, it could mean that the pre-cat oxygen sensor is bad, there is a leak in the intake or that the MAF is on it's way out. The value I found for my car (VR6), which has a new 2.0 MAF and new oxygen sensors is +1.6%.
- Go to Block 032. Field 1 represents the fuel trim at idle (additive) and Field 2 represents the fuel trim at part load (multiplicative), i.e., while driving. The value should be between -10 and +10% (negative indicates the engine is running rich and positive indicates the engine is running lean). If the value is close to +25% (which is the upper limit), it usually means that the MAF is bad. If the value is somewhere betweeen +10 and +25%, it could mean that the pre-cat oxygen sensor is bad, there is a leak in the intake or that the MAF is on it's way out. The value I found for my car (VR6), which has a new 2.0 MAF and new oxygen sensors is +1.6%.
Well, here is the measuring block 032 after running it for a while (and once the CEL has come back on). I will clean the MAF in the next few days and see how that goes. Looking at the MAF readings (measuring block 002), I see normal readings at idle (~3 g/s).
I'll post back how the clean MAF works.
-Chris
I'll post back how the clean MAF works.
-Chris
Last edited by ee99ee; Oct 19, 2011 at 08:50 PM.
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