And you maybe expected a different kind of hypocrisy from Obama than from anyone else?

Actually, I'm glad you caught that 'cause there are a TON of stupid people out there that think this is FREE healthcare.... And you wonder why I want an Island all to myself....

 

Well I suppose only time will tell how this plays out.
I'll admit that I really don't know about the contents of this bill. I do find it odd that they'd leave the existing insurance companies in place, but I guess dissolving them would **** the economy pretty hard with loss of jobs (at least temporarily) that they really couldn't handle at this point in time.
I hope that they somehow negotiate the cost of medical procedures down... that's the big problem with USA healthcare is that the costs are effin' huge. There are some benefits to running healthcare like a business, as the USA does have some state of the art facilities--that 1% of the population can afford (made up statistic, but I'm sure its not terribly far off).
Identical procedures done in USA vs Canada will cost many times more in USA...

The Canadian system just works great. We don't feel like we're being forced into anything! I suppose that in truth, we are... but this isn't something we should compare to a choice of where to get a burger. As a Canadian I know that if myself or anybody I care about falls ill, we'll be able to get treatment without worrying about the cost. It's a good feeling.

 

Actually according to the numbers your system doesn't work great, people have a higher chance of dying from CANCER in your country than they do in the US.

You as individuals have it cheaper, but your quality sucks. If you have a crappy hospital in the US you just go over to the best one. In Canada, they're all the same.

No offense bro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8G...layer_embedded

All of these 7 promises where outright lies. The dems have done the complete opposite of every single one of these promises.

Obama has proved he was bought and paid for by wallstreet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

 

I know in England they have hospitals for regular folks and hospitals for rich folks. I also know that in the UK & Canada when you need an organ transplant you go to your spot on the list no matter what. In the US they assign you a spot based on your circumstances and your need for one.

What I've also seen in Canada & the UK is that it's a system that supports cover-ups and mediocre work. The promise of higher money has led to higher quality care overall here in the US unlike in socialized systems where all doctors and nurses are paid the same no matter what specialty they get in to.

 

Okay, the cancer statistic (if it's true) doesn't prove anything. Maybe we've got more smokers in Canada. You're found a correlation and are touting it as causation... common mistake.

And our transplant system obviously takes circumstances into account to decide who gets what organs. You think a 90 year old man is going to get a heart because he was on the list the longest? Nope.

Our quality doesn't suck. We have fantastic hospitals and incredible doctors. I'm thinking the best doctors in the world got into medicine because they felt a need to promote healthy practices and help heal the ill and injured... not because they want to make lots of money. Making a good salary is important when you devote 10 years of your life to education, but it shouldn't be the end-all deciding factor.

Fact is, if you ask 100 Canadians about our healthcare, I'm thinking 90 of them will praise our healthcare system for being great and accessible to all. Sure, sometimes we have long waits at the ER and there's a family doctor shortage creeping up... but our problems don't involve shutting the door on people who can't afford treatment or don't have insurance. I cannot fathom being in a situation knowing that I or somebody I care about needs life-saving treatment but that there was no means to finance the healthcare required. It's a terrifying thought. More terrifying than having to wait a while longer in the ER.

 

Well that's simply not true, US law won't let any hospital turn anyone away. But the will eventually have to pay and thats part of the problem, many people go into ruin because they didn't have insurance and can't afford to pay back what is now owed.

I think the video and facts speak for themselves about our neighbor, especially when the guy who setup your health care system is now saying it's a disaster.

 

I know this is totally off topic, but didn't everybody hate the bail out plan too? Now I obviously do not have all of the numbers for that, but it seems to have worked out quite well to me. The market is turning around and it will only be a matter of time until the American workers feel the benefits of that. Sure we spent an insane amount of money but as soon as the government gave it out the big companies had to pay taxes on it, and they still have to pay their money back with interest, so the gov would actually make some money on it. The point of me saying that is why doesn't everybody just wait until this all starts going into effect then if it still sucks go ahead and bitch but it might not be as bad as your making it out to be. If U.S. history has taught us anything its that socialism works when small amounts of it are kept in check. If I remember correctly it was our 22nd president Grover Cleavland who put a limit on how much railroad companies could charge for a ticket. So would you consider that as socialism also?

P.S. I love how you guys are telling the Canadian that hes wrong about how is health care works.

 

Indeed. I am confused hearing about how our healthcare system is a huge disaster when I have used it and been a part of it in one capacity or another for quite some time. It's hard to imagine that you could disagree with a system that works 99% of the time while turning nobody away and bankrupting no-one. Look at your US bankruptcy rate and how many of them are caused by people who can't pay for their healthcare bills. You don't think that costs the gov't (and everybody else) money when people are filing for bankruptcy left right and centre?

Our healthcare costs us less than yours costs you, and ours is much more comprehensive. True, for cutting edge stuff it is sometimes the case that we have to travel south to the USA... but that isn't as often as you might delude yourself to thinking. We have fantastic hospitals and we have fantastic healthcare practitioners and researchers.

The best part, though, is knowing that myself or any of my family or friends will ever be financially devastated by illness. We're all human, we're all susceptible, so why not make healthcare universal? We'll all use it, we'll all benefit from it. It just makes sense.

 

So 5 hrs. with a broken clavical (I'm citing Mike's video) or writing off an extremely ill baby for weeks is not a failure? That's considered acceptable? Did you know that the Russian Army considers a 20% fatality rate during training acceptable? Sound ridiculous to you?

 

Dude, don't cite a video's testimonials as evidence. Are you that much of a fool?
Pretty sure I could find somebody in the USA who's had a bad experience with healthcare, too. Don't you think?