It all depends on how each car is modded. He just had a chip, and I had race gas, the bigger program, TB exhaust, CAI, etc. He also has Quattro, and I only have FWD. The cars are very different from each other, and the A3 is quick, but definitely not a rocket. You can get a much more serious race car, dollar for dollar spent on mods. Just thought you should look at both sides of the story. I personally would still choose the A3, but I'm a little biased.

Cheers!

 

Oh, and A3Night had his car set-up the way you described; DSG, APR 93, TB Exhaust, CAI, etc. His car was definitely very quick, and nothing can compare to the way the DSG shifts on the fly. But, he did complain about a slight hesitation off the line in a drag race.

Cheers!

 

Race gas makes a pretty big difference. And if it was from a dig, the S4 will have a bigger advantage.

As for our race, bring it! I'm here waiting for you. [sm=icon_sneaky.gif] Better come here soon before I put in the controller and BBK next.... Who knows... if you wait till next year, maybe there'll be a FT450 in there. Then I would take you 200% on the straight.

Ok... one can dream...

 

LOL

I'm sure you would hold your own, but time will bring problems for you too. Next mods for me are a Quaiffe LSD and upgraded clutch. The next mod after that is the GT28 turbo.

Funny how our car expectations all evolve around our mods. The challenge is that Quattro is your only benefit, and an additional 400 pounds. Tough to compete with an engine designed around a mighty fine race car. Too much advantage in the turbo.

Cheers, my Canadian competitor, eh. LOL

 

Because stock for stock, the 2.0T has no chance.

But that VR6 "disadvantage" would be an advantage once the FT450 is put in. At the end, the VR6 ceiling is still higher than a 4 banger.

Just because the 2.0T has FSI doesn't mean it's designed around the R8.

 

Ouch!!!

Them is fight'n words.

Dollar for dollar, the 2.0T is a much superior model. With the difference you paid, my mods will definitely out perform your automobile. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my ride in the 3.2L, but it has nothing on my car at the moment. Too bad you're not in the area to take a ride with me. I think that is the only way you'd truly understand.

Also, I don't think the ceiling is higher on your car. The motto is that, "there is no replacement for displacement", but dinosaurs invented that saying. Mod for mod, I think time will show that the majority of the most powerful A3's of our generation are based on the 2.0T platform.

I'm not fighting with you eltonsi, because I like most of what you post, but I'm as stubborn as the next Irishman. I also know the power and performance of both of our cars, and I've got you beat at the moment. Sorry, but that's a fact.

Cheers!

 

I will agree to that. At this point, there's no doubt, you have more power. Dollar for dollar, the 2.0T is the way to go. But dollar for dollar, the GTi would also beat the A3.

However, the 2.0T platform is nothing more than an enhanced 1.8T with FSI (which offers no performance gain). There's no magic ingredient to it, it's still a 4 banger with FWD. Using price as an arguement is pointless really. If dollar/performance is all we cared about, we wouldn't be driving an A3. Let's face it, there are plenty of faster and cheaper cars out there.

The most powerful A3 right now that I know (online) would be Ben's 3.2. (At least when HPA get everything together and have the FT450 ready for him) If we bring in the R32/TT crowd which is basically the same platform, then there are tons of FT450 and FT565 which runs 2 GT25R. But I have yet to seen one 1.8T or 2.0T that is pumping out similar numbers. I remember seeing an article on sport compact with all the different modded GTi, anyone remember the numbers they were putting?

It's funny how only A3 owners have this 2.0T vs 3.2 debate, yet you rarely see any GTi owners claiming that they have amuch superiorcar over the R32.

Btw, I have sat in a APR Stage 2 as well. While it might not be exactly up to your performance, I know what it's like and I know it's a good car. There's a reason why Ialso owneda 2.0T and tracked it myself, I do like the car, and know what it can and cannot do.

 

Agreed, for the most part. Eurotuner had a bunch of modded 2.0T's and they were putting down 400+whp. Not bad for a little luxury wagon. I'm not into having the fastest car on the road. Personally, it's the right blend that brings it all together for me. There is only one thing that I wish my car had as an option, and that is Quattro. Having said that, I still wouldn't trade my car for a 3.2, even at the same cost. I'm sure that the LSD will help signifcantly to alleviate the Quattro problem. After all, your Quattro is mostly a FWD car anyway.

Cheers!

edit: went back and looked at the magazines and it's 400+ hp to the crank, around 370ish whp.

 

Not really. Just because it's FWD when it's cruising doesn't mean it's a FWD. More like, it's AWD when I need it to be, and FWD when I don't. And of course, when the Haldex controller is on, it will be even better.

LSD will definitely help, but you are still only putting powerto 2 wheels. Understeer will always be a problem.

 

Okay, so since we both agree that we drive cool cars, I have another way off the topic of this thread question. I've seen you and others talking across different forums about the Haldex unit, but I'm wondering how much more stress will that put on the rear, especially when you start adding power mods and tracking your car? I haven't seen a discussion on that, and future Audi's that I buy will probably have Quattro, so I'm very interested.

Cheers!