Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
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Well here in Wa.st. the cops can hide and they do it very well. At night they love to hide with the lights off and tag you with radar and laser. Its called being prepared and having the right equipment to defend yourself them.
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I've got a question here for any officers using laser. I know that its a national law that you cannot use radar jammers but laser jammers have yet to be outlawed. So what happens if I get hit by laser and my active laser jammer blocks the return signal can you still pull me over? If you do what do you give me a ticket for? Just got talking with some friends about this tonight and thought I'd ask.
The other 10% you wont have time due to the distance of the cop to your location when he hits you with laser. At short distance laser traps you wont have time to turn it off. I have been hit at around 300 ft. and driving at around 75mph in a 60mph zone coming around a corner and didnt turn it off and jammed the cop to the gun and he didnt even give me 2nd look.
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90% of the time, you should turn off the laser jammer after you slowed down so the cop can get a speed reading if he has not gotten bored and snagged another victim. While a cop is shooting laser, he has tunnel vision and can not determine your speed or range while looking thru the Hud (Pro Laser III) or scope (other popular laser guns). I have several laser guns so I know this.
The other 10% you wont have time due to the distance of the cop to your location when he hits you with laser. At short distance laser traps you wont have time to turn it off. I have been hit at around 300 ft. and driving at around 75mph in a 60mph zone coming around a corner and didnt turn it off and jammed the cop to the gun and he didnt even give me 2nd look.
The other 10% you wont have time due to the distance of the cop to your location when he hits you with laser. At short distance laser traps you wont have time to turn it off. I have been hit at around 300 ft. and driving at around 75mph in a 60mph zone coming around a corner and didnt turn it off and jammed the cop to the gun and he didnt even give me 2nd look.
Not sure what happened to the original question by the poster but I will address this quickly.
1. This question has already been asked and answered in this thread.
2. Making radar detectors/jammers illegal is NOT "national" law, it varies by state
3. At the moment there is no traffic law I am aware of, at least in this state, that makes laser jamming devices illegal. As such, there is no reason to hide them or switch them off, other than trying not to **** off the officer.
4. The previous poster may own several laser devices, but I would be wary of his advice.
The distance between yourself and the officer does not matter, as the returns are instant with modern devices. There is no documented case that states an officer can not estimate a vehicle's speed while view finding a laser device. If a jammer is present the return comes back Err or not at all, this almost never happens unless a jammer is present or the device is malfunctioning. Many departments require that these devices are sent to the manufacturer yearly for recalibration and testing, making it very unlikely that returns are false. Speed can be determined by the rate at which you pass the steady flow of traffic, speed determined by this means can not be charged as you would with a laser. IE instead of 65 in a 45mph charge you would see, "Speed greater than reasonable or prudent" a lesser charge. Of course this varies dependant upon the rate at which you are traveling. I have seen plenty of cases where people were charged and found guilty for reckless driving due to their speed where no laser or radar gun was used. The basic fact is that no person can assume anything about an officer's capabilities, not even myself. This is because every officer has received different training, equipment, experiences, etc etc.
The best answer of all is. Don't speed. These laws ARE here for a reason. I don't know how many times I have to explain that driving is a priviledge, not a right. I have been to too many accidents where pedestrians or other motorists were killed because one of the drivers was cocky or arrogant. It is not a question of your ability to drive. You may be able to handle a motor vehicle at high speeds, it is the other drivers on the roadway who are unable to properly adjust their timing and movements because they assume you are driving the speed limit, or at least with the flow of traffic. Almost EVERY traffic law exists for ONE reason, your safety and the safety of other motorists. Speed for the above reasons, ticketing for lights out to insure maximum visibility on the roadway, seatbelts for obvious reasons, etc. People will whine for ages about fines because they can and do "suck", but they serve a purpose. Honestly, I don't feel for those who receive them because it is very simple to avoid. Pick up a book, brush up on your basic vehicle laws in your DMV/MVA/PENDOT/ETC pamphlets you receive before your test, if you dont break the law, you dont get fined.
If only I could say this in person to people, It's simple, Pull head from *** then drive.
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Not sure what happened to the original question by the poster but I will address this quickly.
1. This question has already been asked and answered in this thread.
2. Making radar detectors/jammers illegal is NOT "national" law, it varies by state
3. At the moment there is no traffic law I am aware of, at least in this state, that makes laser jamming devices illegal. As such, there is no reason to hide them or switch them off, other than trying not to **** off the officer.
4. The previous poster may own several laser devices, but I would be wary of his advice.
The distance between yourself and the officer does not matter, as the returns are instant with modern devices. There is no documented case that states an officer can not estimate a vehicle's speed while view finding a laser device. If a jammer is present the return comes back Err or not at all, this almost never happens unless a jammer is present or the device is malfunctioning. Many departments require that these devices are sent to the manufacturer yearly for recalibration and testing, making it very unlikely that returns are false. Speed can be determined by the rate at which you pass the steady flow of traffic, speed determined by this means can not be charged as you would with a laser. IE instead of 65 in a 45mph charge you would see, "Speed greater than reasonable or prudent" a lesser charge. Of course this varies dependant upon the rate at which you are traveling. I have seen plenty of cases where people were charged and found guilty for reckless driving due to their speed where no laser or radar gun was used. The basic fact is that no person can assume anything about an officer's capabilities, not even myself. This is because every officer has received different training, equipment, experiences, etc etc.
The best answer of all is. Don't speed. These laws ARE here for a reason. I don't know how many times I have to explain that driving is a priviledge, not a right. I have been to too many accidents where pedestrians or other motorists were killed because one of the drivers was cocky or arrogant. It is not a question of your ability to drive. You may be able to handle a motor vehicle at high speeds, it is the other drivers on the roadway who are unable to properly adjust their timing and movements because they assume you are driving the speed limit, or at least with the flow of traffic. Almost EVERY traffic law exists for ONE reason, your safety and the safety of other motorists. Speed for the above reasons, ticketing for lights out to insure maximum visibility on the roadway, seatbelts for obvious reasons, etc. People will whine for ages about fines because they can and do "suck", but they serve a purpose. Honestly, I don't feel for those who receive them because it is very simple to avoid. Pick up a book, brush up on your basic vehicle laws in your DMV/MVA/PENDOT/ETC pamphlets you receive before your test, if you dont break the law, you dont get fined.
If only I could say this in person to people, It's simple, Pull head from *** then drive.
1. This question has already been asked and answered in this thread.
2. Making radar detectors/jammers illegal is NOT "national" law, it varies by state
3. At the moment there is no traffic law I am aware of, at least in this state, that makes laser jamming devices illegal. As such, there is no reason to hide them or switch them off, other than trying not to **** off the officer.
4. The previous poster may own several laser devices, but I would be wary of his advice.
The distance between yourself and the officer does not matter, as the returns are instant with modern devices. There is no documented case that states an officer can not estimate a vehicle's speed while view finding a laser device. If a jammer is present the return comes back Err or not at all, this almost never happens unless a jammer is present or the device is malfunctioning. Many departments require that these devices are sent to the manufacturer yearly for recalibration and testing, making it very unlikely that returns are false. Speed can be determined by the rate at which you pass the steady flow of traffic, speed determined by this means can not be charged as you would with a laser. IE instead of 65 in a 45mph charge you would see, "Speed greater than reasonable or prudent" a lesser charge. Of course this varies dependant upon the rate at which you are traveling. I have seen plenty of cases where people were charged and found guilty for reckless driving due to their speed where no laser or radar gun was used. The basic fact is that no person can assume anything about an officer's capabilities, not even myself. This is because every officer has received different training, equipment, experiences, etc etc.
The best answer of all is. Don't speed. These laws ARE here for a reason. I don't know how many times I have to explain that driving is a priviledge, not a right. I have been to too many accidents where pedestrians or other motorists were killed because one of the drivers was cocky or arrogant. It is not a question of your ability to drive. You may be able to handle a motor vehicle at high speeds, it is the other drivers on the roadway who are unable to properly adjust their timing and movements because they assume you are driving the speed limit, or at least with the flow of traffic. Almost EVERY traffic law exists for ONE reason, your safety and the safety of other motorists. Speed for the above reasons, ticketing for lights out to insure maximum visibility on the roadway, seatbelts for obvious reasons, etc. People will whine for ages about fines because they can and do "suck", but they serve a purpose. Honestly, I don't feel for those who receive them because it is very simple to avoid. Pick up a book, brush up on your basic vehicle laws in your DMV/MVA/PENDOT/ETC pamphlets you receive before your test, if you dont break the law, you dont get fined.
If only I could say this in person to people, It's simple, Pull head from *** then drive.
1). Laser Jammers are illegal in 9 states but laser jammers can still be used by a smart driver so they wont get caught. Have you ever played with a police laser gun? Well I own 6 laser guns because Im in the field of testing radar detectors and laser jammers for companies so I have a clue which you dont. A cop knows their lidar guns are not perfect and can show errors (depending on the lidar gun like a LTI, Stalker, Laser Atlanta but the Pro Laser III and the Pro Lyte does not show error codes). Alot of factors can give a cop a delay or even a "Error Code" but there are quite of few Error codes given. 90% of Error codes is caused by the operator. A color and shape can give a delay in target range and speed readings. The sun light can over power a lidar gun and give Errors and delays. Shapes of cars can cause delays for the lidar operator to get a reading. The newer laser jammers have software so the "Jammer Code" will not show on the police lidar gun, other Error codes dont matter, because 90% is operator error and the 10% is accepted errors and cops know this.
2). The laser jammer should be turned off if given enough warning to slow down so the cops pissed off and spread the word that jammers really work ( well some jammers work and some dont) and get laser jammers banned more and more.
3). I own several..matter of fact...6 lidar guns and 3 radar units...( 1 K band gun and 2 Ka car units) and I know what Im talking about.
4). Police depts send in radar guns for recalibration but lidar guns have a self on start up and do not needed to be recalibrated. They only get sent in for software update's if needed. That rarely happens because the life span for a lidar gun is very long.
5). A cop can not guess your speed when he is looking thru a laser gun HUD or Scope.
6). I have video's of me jamming police laser traps and I was doing over 70mph and well over and jammed the police laser with no cop ever coming after me. Im smart about jamming because I know what the cop is seeing or nor seeing and I slow down very fast (E brake and downshifting only) and then turn the jammer off. That is why I have over 50 laser traps saves and no tickets by laser and radar.
7). When you learn something about this topic...let me know.
Here is a very close buddies Audi with his Counter-Measures...We installed all his toys....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tVtiVSQzlg
Here is him getting tagged with rear laser...thank god he had jammers in the back...(The V1 did not even alert to laser
)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_qhw...eature=related
Man I love the V1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsZ1...eature=related
Stupid Honda driver should have had a laser jammer...my buddy did and it saved him...Great video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTcZ6XqhLs
Here is a friend who jammed a cop coming around a corner and he was over the speedlimit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUy6xJ0pbfg
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We send in our lidar guns annually as part of our accreditation process. I am a certified lidar operator. Officer's receive training in speed estimation, though I will give you that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to get an accurate estimation through a very limited field of view. I stipulated that when I speak of motor vehicle laws I am referring to the state I work for, Maryland. If you do in fact work in that field, then of course you will know more on this topic than I would.
I expected this response from a person who created an anti police thread. This is not the argue with a police officer thread, please take your comments elsewhere. This thread was created for people who have legit questions. Any further arguments will be deleted from the thread.
I expected this response from a person who created an anti police thread. This is not the argue with a police officer thread, please take your comments elsewhere. This thread was created for people who have legit questions. Any further arguments will be deleted from the thread.
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So how do you handle the several "E0" in the LTi's or "JA" in the Laser Atlanta? What lider guns do you use? Since I own these lidar guns I know what the "E0" and "JA" error codes mean and what you and other cops thinks what causes them. Just because you get a "E0" or "JA" error code that does not mean there is a jammer is jamming you and I know when a cop get a error code he just moves on to a different car because its all about revenue and not safety.
I cant find the article when a Florida PD Dept. set up a laser trap on the hwyway in cilivan "Cable Guy" clothes and sat in the back of the truck with a water cooler and a bale of hay on the ground while a cop was shooting laser.
That weekend those cops racked up over $300,000 in lidar tickets....sounds like revenue.
What about the PD officer dressing up as Santa Claus shooting laser in a speed trap?
I cant find the article when a Florida PD Dept. set up a laser trap on the hwyway in cilivan "Cable Guy" clothes and sat in the back of the truck with a water cooler and a bale of hay on the ground while a cop was shooting laser.
That weekend those cops racked up over $300,000 in lidar tickets....sounds like revenue.
What about the PD officer dressing up as Santa Claus shooting laser in a speed trap?
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jesus christ Audi 90Sport Quattro, do you hate (and think you know better than) everyone? goddamn i bet you hate puppies and pandas too don't you?
Notahondaowner, this is a useful thread and many people appreciate your help here.
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Notahondaowner, this is a useful thread and many people appreciate your help here.
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i dont hate everyone.....I am just passing on info to people who are looking for answers from a non-cop because of my background of testing. I asked him a question and I answered his so I am waiting for him to answer my question.
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Im glad cops hang out by bars looking for drunk drivers...too bad the current laws dont enforce those laws and let the drunk drivers back on the road to kill that next person.