Should I buy this 2002 A6 with some issues?
#1
01-05-2017, 07:32 PM
Should I buy this 2002 A6 with some issues?
I found a 2002 A6 I can get pretty cheap. It has 100,000 miles on it. 3.0 engine, automatic transmission. Not a Quattro model. The body and interior are in good shape. It runs and drives, but it has some issues that would need attention.
The issues:
Unknown service history. I'm assuming it is going to need a timing belt and water pump right away. It also needs a new windshield and a new bumper cover (previous owner ran over a cement curb thing).
It has a rough idle and the check engine light is on. I have a Vag-Com, so I scanned the computer and all the info I got is below. Supposedly it smooths out at highway speeds, I only drove it a few blocks so far.
The dealer selling it claims an "import shop" looked at it and says it needs some new vacuum lines. From my research on the codes, that sounds likely to be true.
If I were to buy this car, I would immediately park it in my garage and do the timing belt and water pump right away before driving it. I'd probably pop in new spark plugs at the same time, as well as replacing vacuum hoses and searching for a vacuum leak that might be causing the issues. I'd get the transmission fluid flushed/changed soon too.
What should I look for before deciding if I want to buy this car? I've never owned an Audi before but have a Jetta now (hence the Vag-Com).
What are the common problems with this car? If I address the codes/rough idle issue and do the maintenance mentioned above, would you expect this to be a fairly reliable vehicle?
Any codes below that scream run away?
Monday,02,January,2017,18:07:57:44279
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.4.2 (x64)
Data version: 20161129 DS267.0
Ross-Tech: Home
VIN: WAUJT64B12N133461 License Plate: A6
Mileage: 100829 Repair Order:
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Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6/S6/RS6/allroad C5 (1998 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
75 76 77
VIN: WAUJT64B12N133461
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 909 559 D HW: 8E0 909 059
Component: 3.0L V6/5V G 0004
Coding: 0016582
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 366D347442EB8AF223-5178
11 Faults Found:
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 002 - - MIL ON
16685 - Cylinder 1
P0301 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16688 - Cylinder 4
P0304 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16687 - Cylinder 3
P0303 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16689 - Cylinder 5
P0305 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16690 - Cylinder 6
P0306 - 008 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16686 - Cylinder 2
P0302 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
17544 - Fuel Trim: Bank 1 (Add)
P1136 - 001 - System too Lean - Intermittent
17546 - Fuel Trim: Bank 2 (Add)
P1138 - 001 - System too Lean - Intermittent
16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0102 - 002 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
P1602 - 002 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01J-927-156.lbl
Part No: 01J 927 156 CE
Component: V30 01J 3.0l 5V USA 2042
Coding: 01001
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 71E7C7683B05EDCA36-515A
1 Fault Found:
18265 - Load Signal
P1857 - 35-10 - Error Message from ECU - Intermittent
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 4B0 614 517 P
Component: ABS/ESP front 2330
Coding: 06499
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2E5D1C14EABBB2326B-515A
1 Fault Found:
18265 - Load Signal
P1857 - 35-10 - Error Message from ECU - Intermittent
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY2.lbl
Part No: 4B0 820 043 AD
Component: A6-Klimavollautomat 0105
Coding: 00110
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 5CB986DCCC8770A2F5-2592
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI84.lbl
Part No: 4B0 959 655 N
Component: Airbag 8.4E 5001
Coding: 0000307
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 3B7B254079C9579ADC-5178
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 4B0 920 981 N
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D11
Coding: 02262
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 31670768FB85ADCA76-5178
WAUJT64B12N133461 AUZ7Z0B2101395
No fault code found.
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Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 4B0-962-258.lbl
Part No: 4B0 962 258 J
Component: Central Lock/Alarm D35
Coding: 15885
Shop #: WSC 20205
VCID: 3061026CF08FA4C279-4F56
8 Faults Found:
01366 - Opened Due to Crash Signal
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
09-10 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed - Intermittent
01562 - Rear right door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left
35-00 - -
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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-178.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 178 A
Component: Innenraumueberw. D04
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 264DE434C24BFA7293-5178
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 4B0 035 195 J
Component: symphony II NP2 0050
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2753E930C541E37AA8-4EB0
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:59)--------------------------
The issues:
Unknown service history. I'm assuming it is going to need a timing belt and water pump right away. It also needs a new windshield and a new bumper cover (previous owner ran over a cement curb thing).
It has a rough idle and the check engine light is on. I have a Vag-Com, so I scanned the computer and all the info I got is below. Supposedly it smooths out at highway speeds, I only drove it a few blocks so far.
The dealer selling it claims an "import shop" looked at it and says it needs some new vacuum lines. From my research on the codes, that sounds likely to be true.
If I were to buy this car, I would immediately park it in my garage and do the timing belt and water pump right away before driving it. I'd probably pop in new spark plugs at the same time, as well as replacing vacuum hoses and searching for a vacuum leak that might be causing the issues. I'd get the transmission fluid flushed/changed soon too.
What should I look for before deciding if I want to buy this car? I've never owned an Audi before but have a Jetta now (hence the Vag-Com).
What are the common problems with this car? If I address the codes/rough idle issue and do the maintenance mentioned above, would you expect this to be a fairly reliable vehicle?
Any codes below that scream run away?
Monday,02,January,2017,18:07:57:44279
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.4.2 (x64)
Data version: 20161129 DS267.0
Ross-Tech: Home
VIN: WAUJT64B12N133461 License Plate: A6
Mileage: 100829 Repair Order:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6/S6/RS6/allroad C5 (1998 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
75 76 77
VIN: WAUJT64B12N133461
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 909 559 D HW: 8E0 909 059
Component: 3.0L V6/5V G 0004
Coding: 0016582
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 366D347442EB8AF223-5178
11 Faults Found:
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 002 - - MIL ON
16685 - Cylinder 1
P0301 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16688 - Cylinder 4
P0304 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16687 - Cylinder 3
P0303 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16689 - Cylinder 5
P0305 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16690 - Cylinder 6
P0306 - 008 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
16686 - Cylinder 2
P0302 - 002 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
17544 - Fuel Trim: Bank 1 (Add)
P1136 - 001 - System too Lean - Intermittent
17546 - Fuel Trim: Bank 2 (Add)
P1138 - 001 - System too Lean - Intermittent
16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0102 - 002 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
P1602 - 002 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01J-927-156.lbl
Part No: 01J 927 156 CE
Component: V30 01J 3.0l 5V USA 2042
Coding: 01001
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 71E7C7683B05EDCA36-515A
1 Fault Found:
18265 - Load Signal
P1857 - 35-10 - Error Message from ECU - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 4B0 614 517 P
Component: ABS/ESP front 2330
Coding: 06499
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2E5D1C14EABBB2326B-515A
1 Fault Found:
18265 - Load Signal
P1857 - 35-10 - Error Message from ECU - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY2.lbl
Part No: 4B0 820 043 AD
Component: A6-Klimavollautomat 0105
Coding: 00110
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 5CB986DCCC8770A2F5-2592
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI84.lbl
Part No: 4B0 959 655 N
Component: Airbag 8.4E 5001
Coding: 0000307
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 3B7B254079C9579ADC-5178
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 4B0 920 981 N
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D11
Coding: 02262
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 31670768FB85ADCA76-5178
WAUJT64B12N133461 AUZ7Z0B2101395
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 4B0-962-258.lbl
Part No: 4B0 962 258 J
Component: Central Lock/Alarm D35
Coding: 15885
Shop #: WSC 20205
VCID: 3061026CF08FA4C279-4F56
8 Faults Found:
01366 - Opened Due to Crash Signal
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
09-10 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed - Intermittent
01562 - Rear right door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left
35-00 - -
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-178.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 178 A
Component: Innenraumueberw. D04
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 02325
VCID: 264DE434C24BFA7293-5178
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 4B0 035 195 J
Component: symphony II NP2 0050
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2753E930C541E37AA8-4EB0
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:59)--------------------------
#3
01-05-2017, 10:33 PM
They are asking $2,750 for it but I think they would take less, they have had it 4 or 5 months. It's a small body/repair shop and car lot, but they haven't done anything to the car. They say they would rather just sell it cheap as is, I don't think they deal with too many imports.
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