B5 Models Please discuss all 1996 - 2001 B5 A4 topics here...

1.8t noob guide

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #11  
Old 11-28-2011, 04:48 PM
Mike-2ptzero's Avatar
4th Gear
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix, Arizona area
Posts: 3,274
Default

Is that on your GTI or on an A4?

Have you looked at going with a Comp Turbo GT28 or a HTA, both use Billet wheels and the Comp Turbo comes with a billet CHRA with triple ceramic ball bearings?

Garrett should be releasing the new GTX28's at some point.
 
  #12  
Old 11-28-2011, 04:59 PM
redline380's Avatar
Legal Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: st cloud, mn. you too? hit me up...
Posts: 1,975
Default

^ATP has the info on the gtx28s posted if you haven't checked
 
  #13  
Old 11-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Mike-2ptzero's Avatar
4th Gear
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix, Arizona area
Posts: 3,274
Default

Yeah just the flow maps have been released, not being sold yet.
 
  #14  
Old 11-28-2011, 09:15 PM
turbo kraut's Avatar
Tech Guru
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Des Peres, Mo
Posts: 5,868
Default

crazy thing is, for about to a little over 3500 which you spent andrew.... you can get 250whp in an a4.... it's called an elim setup
 
  #15  
Old 11-29-2011, 01:04 AM
Andrew149's Avatar
3rd Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 2,801
Default

Originally Posted by turbo kraut
crazy thing is, for about to a little over 3500 which you spent andrew.... you can get 250whp in an a4.... it's called an elim setup
haha hey $2000 of the money i have spent has gone to a rebuilt transmission! but anyways i need to do pistion which will cost me like $400 new from IE and than pay someone to pull the engine and put them in for about $1500 and than another 2k for a gt28 fuel injectors and all that stuff
 
  #16  
Old 11-29-2011, 11:13 AM
ThatRetardedKid's Avatar
1st Gear
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 85
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by andrew149
11. Diode: ($2 new)
a diode is a very small electronic device with a voltage rating associated with it. What it does is regulates a voltage signal to its rating. For example, if you wire a 4.7 volt diode into a 5 volt circuit, the 5 volts enter the diode, and only 4.7 are sent out. The diode mod is a way to limit the amount of boost the ecu sees. The ecu interprets voltage from the map sensor as boost. The max it is able to see on stock turbo programming is 5 volts. If it hits 5 volts, or if your boost level goes higher than what is spec’d, you’ll go into limp mode (5psi). By using a diode, you are regulating only the signal the map sensor sends to the ecu. By soldering in a 4.7v diode, the ecu will never receive higher than that voltage signal. 4.7v is equivalent to about 17psi. Therefore, if you want to run higher boost, once you hit 17psi, the ecu won’t know if you’re boosting higher than that by what the map sensor is telling it. If you log your boost (block 115), it will increase and then flat line at 17psi. But if you watch your boost gauge, you’ll see the actual amount of boost your making. Some tend to think a diode limits boost, where it’s actually limiting the boost the ecu sees so you can make more. It’s a very simple install. Jen’s gli is running a 4.3v, which corresponds to 13psi. It should be running a 4.7v, but i probably mixed the two diodes up before i installed one.

12. Cranked wastegate: (free)
the nice thing about this mod is that it’s free power. However, there are atleast two things you should have done to not worry about anything bad happening…this write-up is to get you lots of power efficiently right? Anywho, the wastegate is a small flapper valve inside the exhaust side of the turbo that opens to allow exhaust gases to go around the turbine, and thus keeps the turbo from spooling up anymore. The way it works is you have an actuator with a vac nipple and an actuator rod. As you build boost, the charged air goes through the line into the actuator, and pushes on a piston inside, that then pushes the rod. The rod is attached to the flapper, so when the rod moves, the flapper opens. To “crank the wg,” you move the 2 nuts downward to pull the rod away from the actuator. This way, the flapper stays closed longer, thus giving you quicker spool, a higher boost spike, and more boost at redline. You’ll need a 10mm open end wrench for this. Get around to the passenger side of the engine bay, and look down behind the head. You’ll see the rod. First, turn the bottom nut down (clockwise) say 5 full turns. Next, tighten the top nut the same way. Once both are tight, you’re ready to go. Go drive the car and watch your boost levels, and if you feel safe, don’t tighten anymore. If you feel like doing as much as possible, turn the bottom nut until you have about 1.5-2 full turns left and stop there. If you go too far, you’ll completely shut the flapper and not have any boost control.

As for the “helper” mods, it’s best to run a diode on the map sensor wires, and an upgraded intercooler. By cranking the wg and seeing higher boost levels from a ko3(s), the air becomes much hotter. So utilizing an ic that does a better job will keep you from detonating and ruining stuff. The diode will keep you from going into limp mode because cranked boost levels far exceed what any chip is written for, even giac x+.

13. Higher bar fpr: ($50 new)
this mod isn’t necessary for most people as you will never need the 16% extra fueling a 4bar fpr provides over the factory 3bar. However, if you do have a cranked wg and are running insanely high boost, it’d be a good safeguard to get one of these. With all the extra air you’re pushing in, you need fueling to compensate. I’m not sure what the limit of the stock injectors are with a 3bar, but i’ve experienced no problems using the 4bar. This is an easy install, but again should only be used if you are trying to push the limit.


14. Water/methanol injection: ($400 new)
this is probably one of, if not the favorite mod i’ve done to a 1.8t this is the most recent thing i’ve done, and it’s something that perhaps should be added to the common list of mods one should really do. Water/methanol injection is like running another intercooler, but there are even more benefits besides having lower intake temperatures. Because the air coming out of your intercooler is still around 100 degrees farenheit, the water will vaporize, and steam clean your cylinders of any and all carbon deposits. Also, when water is introduced into the combustion chamber in small amounts, it will lower your exhaust gas temperatures (egt) as well as give you some detonation control…ie you won’t be pulling timing. Many are unsure of this mod because you’re actually injecting a liquid into the airstream, but many have been convinced after the write-up i did for the kit i installed. I chose the snow performance boost cooler stage ii map-based kit. You can get it from any usrt dealer. They also offer a maf-based kit, but i prefer the map kit since there is no other sensor to go bad. If your maf fails, the water/meth won’t spray. The map kit gets a vac line run to it and the controller will see boost and turn on the pump accordingly. Unless you are running standalone engine management, do not buy the stage i kit. It’s basically an on/off kit, and this is not optimal for performance. The stage ii varies the spray on your boost levels or maf sensor voltage depending on the kit you get. You’ll see your biggest performance gain from using lemmiwinks to up your ignition timing from doing this mod. If you don’t have access to lemmiwinks, you won’t see a “butt dyno” gain.

15. Lemmiwinks tuning: (free)
lemmiwinks is a free program from revo that you use on a lap top. As far as i know, it only works on lap tops that have a 9-pin serial port out the back. My laptop is a dell 600m and has this port. I mainly bought this laptop so i’m able to use lw and do data logging. Anyways, lw allows you to change certain parameters around, such as your idle rpm, startup and warmup fuel enrichment, and your ignition timing. I’m not that great at lw tuning as i don’t know what everything really does. The best adjustability it has is the ignition timing. Ignition timing is simply when your spark plug fires. It’s set to fire just before the piston reaches top dead center. By advancing the timing, the spark plug will fire earlier, and what happens is the air/fuel mixture explodes before the piston reaches the top. When it does, the explosion has more power to it, and thus will cause the piston/rod assembly to slam back down harder and faster, which makes more power. A side effect though is heat, and you can only go so far with ignition timing on pump gas. Using race gas or water/meth allows you to advance the timing more without the ecu pulling timing back out. Ideally, you don’t want the ecu to pull more than 8 degrees of timing. You can check this by logging block 020 on vag com. The max the ecu can pull is 12 degrees, and you do not want to test this. If your knock sensors fail, you’ll blow your engine. If you log and are pulling 8 degrees of timing, lower your advance one click and you should be set.

16. Miscellaneous mods: ($125 total)
an oil catch can is a cheap efficiency mod in that it keeps oil from going through your turbo and into your intercooler. In stock form, oil fumes exit your engine through the front of the block and on the side of the valve cover, and go into a black plastic flapper valve, and get sucked into the intake. This oil goes through the turbo and gets trapped in the intercooler. A catch can will trap the oil before it goes into the intake. You can get them on ebay for pretty cheap, and it doesn’t take but some fittings from home depot and some heater hose to properly hook it up. You’re just bypassing the line to the flapper valve by running it to the catch can, and then from there back to the valve.

Ecs sells a magnetic drain bolt that doesn’t really have performance gains, but is another safe guard by chance you have metal shavings or material in your oil. As oil empties into the pan, any ferrous material will attract to the plug and not go through your motor. When you pull the plug to drain the oil, you may see small metallic shavings on the end, which means it’s working.

A vacuum manifold is sort of like an electrical outlet strip. You plug it into the wall socket, and then you get 5 more. A vac mani is the same. You tap into one source, and can run 6 more off of it. It’s main benefit is cleaning up the engine bay and making it easier to sort through your vac connections. Robear racing sells the golden eagle brand and is a quality piece. You tap into the brake booster line coming out of the end of your intake manifold, and then can run any other vac connections to it. On jen’s gli, we have the boost gauge, boost controller, blue ***** (under passenger fender), pcv system, and water/meth system hooked into it. The holes are 9/10th’s of the way drilled out, so you just drill the ones you’ll be using and leave the others closed.


17. Things to remove: ($35 new)
there are two systems that i’ve always disliked in our engine bays, and that’s the n249 vac booster system and the secondary air injection (sai). I like to make it easy to work on the car, and with these on, it’s harder to do certain things. Having them removed is less clutter. The n249 is connected to your intake manifold and runs vac/boost for numerous things…such as the dv and the combi valve for the sai. The whole system is located right infront of your intake manifold on a black bracket. Just cut the lines running to it and unbolt it. All you do then is run all your vac lines to a boost/vac source such as the intake mani. If you have a vac mani, run what you can to that to keep things simple. The sai is used during cold starts to heat up the cat by injecting extra air into the exhaust side of the head. The pump is located infront of the engine block near the bottom, and has two crinkled hoses connected to it. One goes to your stock airbox, and the other to the combi valve, which is what directs air into the head. When removing this system, the best thing to do is to unbolt your coolant line going into the driver side of the head…yea, you’ll lose some coolant doing this but trust me it’s the only way. You can then take the combi valve off by unbolting it. There is a hole there, so you need a block off plate. Integrated engineering offers a cnc’d block off plate with an o-ring to seal it shut. Before these came out you had to make your own, but these are cleaner and better looking than what many are capable of doing themselves.

Now that you unplugged the sai pump and the n249, you have 3 harnesses that aren’t plugged into anything. You can either leave em be and be stuck with cels, or you can buy 330ohm resistors (they’re cheap) and wire them in. They aren’t directional, just attach one end to one wire and the other end to the other wire. This keeps the cels from popping up. However, when you remove the sai system, the cat is no longer being heated up during cold start. One of the o2 sensors figures this out, and throws an “improper flow” code. So, if you have emissions testing and/or are concerned about seeing cels, a way to try and fix this is get into lw and adjust your startup/warmup fuel enrichment levels. If you lower them, you are leaning out the motor on startup and warmup. Leaner means hotter, and thus you can heat up the cat this way. Start by lowering both values to about 90%, and drive until a cel for improper flow comes back on. Adjust in 10% increments each time. Eventually, you will either have the cat heated up enough to not throw the code, or you won’t be able to start the car easily. When the latter happens, just raise your startup enrichment by 5%, and lower your warmup. This way, you can still get the car started, but you’ll also be running it hotter to get the cat warm. Remember, nothing here is irreversible, so if you think you are messing something up, just put the values back and deal with the cel.

This is the end of what i’ve done to make all that power. Here is an official mod list:

Giac x+ ... $500
4.3v diode ... $2
oil catch can ... $30
cranked wastegate ... Free
(27psi spikes, 15psi @ redline)
ghl 3” turboback ... $1000
lemmiwinks tuned ... Free
samco turbo inlet hose ... Free
ecs magnetic drain bolt ... $10
ngk bkr7e spark plugs ... $12
custom hardline dv return ... Free
golden eagle vacuum manifold ... $75
custom front mount intercooler ... $400
ese colormatched cold air intake ... $250
relocated forge 007 diverter valve ... $125
bosch 4-bar fuel pressure regulator ... $55
ecs lightweight underdrive pulleys ... $120
enginerd coilpack hold-down brackets ... $35
boostvalve dual stage boost controller ... $120
custom 3-way switch
*low*high*low in 1st only*
newsouth performance powergasket plus ... $70
n249 and secondary air injection deleted ... $10
boost cooler water/methanol injection ... $370

total: $3184 i'll guess close to $3500 total.

With what i’ve done, i have no doubt that someone willing to put in the extra $$ into a ko3(s) can hit 300whp on a dynojet. Here is a list of things i could do if we were staying on stock turbo:

Atp high flow turbo mani
usrt intake mani
evoms v-flow
3” vr maf
380cc injectors
lightweight flywheel
lightweight wheels/rotors
custom tuning
port/polish head

i figured that i’d take the time to spell out what i’ve done because i owe it to the ‘tex for how far i’ve gotten and my love for dubs and making them quicker than most would think they are. To make this thread as informational as possible, if there are any questions, they will be answered below in another post. I tried being as thorough as possible but i know there’ll be case specific questions that may not be covered above.

Name:  facebook-like-buton1.jpg
Views: 3976
Size:  9.0 KB
 
  #17  
Old 05-30-2013, 09:10 PM
theiceman2713's Avatar
1st Gear
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2
Default

so im a noob. and i recently purchased a 2001 b5 a4 audi 1.8t quattro. and i wanted to increase my boost to start with. is there a way to just increase boost without adding anything? like if i went to a shop and had them do a tune or something could they up the boost to like 12 psi? nothing serious just wanted it to have a little more umph.
 
  #18  
Old 06-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Mike-2ptzero's Avatar
4th Gear
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix, Arizona area
Posts: 3,274
Default

Originally Posted by theiceman2713
so im a noob. and i recently purchased a 2001 b5 a4 audi 1.8t quattro. and i wanted to increase my boost to start with. is there a way to just increase boost without adding anything? like if i went to a shop and had them do a tune or something could they up the boost to like 12 psi? nothing serious just wanted it to have a little more umph.
Yes, the OTS tunes being sold will bump your boost to anything from 15psi to 21psi. If it is a custom tune they can do the same thing.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Karl
Audi A4
2
03-05-2012 02:08 AM
murdox
B5 Models
11
11-15-2011 11:13 AM
phila1776
Audi A3
5
12-12-2007 12:38 PM
chaos92287
Audi A4
40
10-02-2007 02:27 PM
Grouse
Audi A4
6
12-09-2005 03:22 PM



Quick Reply: 1.8t noob guide



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:19 AM.